Update Game 2! Wembanyama vs Scoot on ESPN 2/ESPN App/NBA app

[MoneyTalks41890]

Also no offense, but I really hope Scoot and Wemby end up in franchises like San Antonio or Utah rather than some of the other potential teams at the bottom. I would hate to see their talents wasted in incompetent organizations where they’re also just slotted alongside too many other highly drafted players that are equally prioritized.

This is how I feel about Mobley landing with the Cavs after they went 1/3 in the lottery the previous three years.

You were probably expecting that to be an own, but I actually agree with that. As an objective fan I wouldn’t have wanted Mobley going to the Cavs either considering the history. I can at least admit it though. Fortunately Altman seems to be turning things around.

Well if OKC also blows two lottery picks then we can have that conversation. 1/1 with 3 TBDs at the moment.

[cupcakesnake]

First time seeing Scoot and just from that game the first comp that came to my mind was Antman
But then I realised he's actually a fair bit smaller. He definitely plays bigger though

Scoot is definitely a small guard, there's no way to ignore it. Not like Cp3/FVV small but still a compact player. Ant is more of a small wing in terms of size.

[og15]

*The biggest gripe I have with VW is that he really insists to be a perimeter player, despite him being 7'5 and not a great shooter.

I don't think he has any other choice as long as he's playing under FIBA rules. He is a 7'4/7'5 dude that barely weights 210 lbs. Any big that weights more than 240 lbs will be able to dislodge him with ease. And as we both know, the absence of a 3-second rule from FIBA competitions means that most teams have that kind of player and that this player will usually be in the paint. Wemby can try to go inside but he will most likely get dislodged and pushed off the paint.

It is different in the NBA due to existence of the 3-second rule. Bigs won't be in the paint as often, teams can generate a lot more spacing (due to the fact that the 3-point line is further away) so it will be significantly easier for Wemby to get better looks inside at the NBA level. Plus, you know, he will hopefully bulk up when he's older

Yea, his other option is developing a solid mid-range attack, jab and pull or drive, jab pump fake and drive, one dribble step back jumper, side step jumper, moves that can get him a jumper or a drive and dunk/layup or FT's.

You can even set him up in the spots out of pick and roll most times so he's not fighting anyone for position.

[cupcakesnake]

This is how I feel about Mobley landing with the Cavs after they went 1/3 in the lottery the previous three years.

Yeah c'mon yoyoboy, Cavs have had their fair history of bottoming out long terms and getting consistent lottery luck. A lot of #1 picks, similar to the Wolves. I'd hardly call OKC an incompetent organization. Whoever gets Wemby or Scoot, I wish you the best.

Which is why as an outsider fan I wouldn’t have wanted to see Mobley come here either!

Fair enough!

[CraftylikeaFox]

Also no offense, but I really hope Scoot and Wemby end up in franchises like San Antonio or Utah rather than some of the other potential teams at the bottom. I would hate to see their talents wasted in incompetent organizations where they’re also just slotted alongside too many other highly drafted players that are equally prioritized.

You might wish that but I can tell you that neither Scoot or Wemby want to end up in franchises like Utah. San Antonio maybe due to their track record, but Utah would be way too boring for a 19 year old

San Antonio maybe, lol. There isn't a prospect out there that would be upset about playing in San Antonio.

[yoyoboy]

This is how I feel about Mobley landing with the Cavs after they went 1/3 in the lottery the previous three years.

You were probably expecting that to be an own, but I actually agree with that. As an objective fan I wouldn’t have wanted Mobley going to the Cavs either considering the history. I can at least admit it though. Fortunately Altman seems to be turning things around.

Well if OKC also blows two lottery picks then we can have that conversation. 1/1 with 3 TBDs at the moment.

Do you think OKC is close to as good of an organization as the Spurs? I don’t think anyone outside of Oklahoma would make that argument. You’re taking this way too personally. Never even mentioned the Thunder in my original comment. Just said I’d want to see two of the best prospects I’ve ever seen in organizations I consider to be very high class, where I trust they would be developed well.

[mg]

For some reason I can really see Scoot excelling immediately on a big market team. That stage might not be too big for him similar to how Derrick Rose immediately worked in Chicago. He just seems so polished on and off the court. Hope the Knicks are firing up the tank.

As for VW I have no words. I knew he was good but never expected that type of performance. Just wow.

[Saul Goodman]

For some reason I can really see Scoot excelling immediately on a big market team. That stage might not be too big for him similar to how Derrick Rose immediately worked in Chicago. He just seems so polished on and off the court. Hope the Knicks are firing up the tank.

As for VW I have no words. I knew he was good but never expected that type of performance. Just wow.

Scoot/Jalen Green backcourt would be obscene. Would be a league pass staple.

[BlazersBroncos]

So is the 22/23 tank phrase going to be 'Suck dick for Vic'?

[Nuntius]

*The biggest gripe I have with VW is that he really insists to be a perimeter player, despite him being 7'5 and not a great shooter.

I don't think he has any other choice as long as he's playing under FIBA rules. He is a 7'4/7'5 dude that barely weights 210 lbs. Any big that weights more than 240 lbs will be able to dislodge him with ease. And as we both know, the absence of a 3-second rule from FIBA competitions means that most teams have that kind of player and that this player will usually be in the paint. Wemby can try to go inside but he will most likely get dislodged and pushed off the paint.

It is different in the NBA due to existence of the 3-second rule. Bigs won't be in the paint as often, teams can generate a lot more spacing (due to the fact that the 3-point line is further away) so it will be significantly easier for Wemby to get better looks inside at the NBA level. Plus, you know, he will hopefully bulk up when he's older

Yea, his other option is developing a solid mid-range attack, jab and pull or drive, jab pump fake and drive, one dribble step back jumper, side step jumper, moves that can get him a jumper or a drive and dunk/layup or FT's.

You can even set him up in the spots out of pick and roll most times so he's not fighting anyone for position.

Oh, absolutely. I have no doubt that he will become a very good P&R threat in time. He just isn't very effective at it yet in an environment with limited spacing.

[HotelVitale]

This is how I feel about Mobley landing with the Cavs after they went 1/3 in the lottery the previous three years.

You were probably expecting that to be an own, but I actually agree with that. As an objective fan I wouldn’t have wanted Mobley going to the Cavs either considering the history. I can at least admit it though. Fortunately Altman seems to be turning things around.

Well if OKC also blows two lottery picks then we can have that conversation. 1/1 with 3 TBDs at the moment.

Cole Aldrich and Cam Payne would like a word.

In general pretending that draft picks are more than informed gambles is a bad look. Like absolutely no one knows if Jabari Smith, Jaden Ivey or Keegan Murray will end up a better player, and Sam Presti would be the first person to tell you that. GMs and scouts just decide between those guys based on a few fairly random factors (and their gut) and they don't have any more insight or control than that.

[Clyde Frazier]

FYI they play again tomorrow! 3PM eastern on ESPN 2/ESPN app. Pretty sure I heard it's on the NBA app too.

[Antinomy]

Wembanyama is Porzingis 2.0 before the injuries.

He’s definitely a unique talent but I see the same issues arising that Porzingis has.

- Never gonna be a “great” rebounder.

- Passing & floor vision will be spotty.

- His game is too perimeter-oriented for his height — guys will be able to push him off his spots

KP has bulked up over the years but even he can’t overcome his high center of gravity.

He will be good (just like Porzingis is good). Just not dominant.

[dc]

Wembanyama is Porzingis 2.0 before the injuries.

He’s definitely a unique talent but I see the same issues arising that Porzingis has.

- Never gonna be a “great” rebounder.

- Passing & floor vision will be spotty.

- His game is too perimeter-oriented for his height — guys will be able to push him off his spots

KP has bulked up over the years but even he can’t overcome his high center of gravity.

He will be good (just like Porzingis is good). Just not dominant.

Even with any flaws, he should be able to dominate. He'll likely be an incredible defensive player and can dominate offensively shooting the ball since nobody is challenging his shot.

The main worry about him is his long term durability, as oversized guys (above 7'2") don't have a great record for longevity/health in the NBA.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Wembanyama is Porzingis 2.0 before the injuries.

He’s definitely a unique talent but I see the same issues arising that Porzingis has.

- Never gonna be a “great” rebounder.

- Passing & floor vision will be spotty.

- His game is too perimeter-oriented for his height — guys will be able to push him off his spots

KP has bulked up over the years but even he can’t overcome his high center of gravity.

He will be good (just like Porzingis is good). Just not dominant.

He's a better and more fluid athlete than Kristaps was, and he seems to be adding weight slowly everywhere, where as Kristaps got overly top heavy after his knee injury. Kristaps moved well for his size, but watching this kid glide around the court is much different, at times he looks like a gigantic wing in how he moves.



And the passing seems to be something he has as well

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[HardenGoat]

Future Rockets front court of Eason / Jabari / Wemby is going to be nuts.

That 3 and D....good lord.

That would be nuts. What would Sengun become? Backup big?

[Ritzo]

If Kangs get the #1 pick, they will pass up on Wemby and Scoot.

[Chris Porter's Hair]

You were probably expecting that to be an own, but I actually agree with that. As an objective fan I wouldn’t have wanted Mobley going to the Cavs either considering the history. I can at least admit it though. Fortunately Altman seems to be turning things around.

Well if OKC also blows two lottery picks then we can have that conversation. 1/1 with 3 TBDs at the moment.

Cole Aldrich and Cam Payne would like a word.

In general pretending that draft picks are more than informed gambles is a bad look. Like absolutely no one knows if Jabari Smith, Jaden Ivey or Keegan Murray will end up a better player, and Sam Presti would be the first person to tell you that. GMs and scouts just decide between those guys based on a few fairly random factors (and their gut) and they don't have any more insight or control than that.

Your point is fair, but you aren't doing yourself any favors with the first line. Aldrich was drafted 12 years ago, and Payne 7 years ago. I'm not sure you can call a team a train wreck because they miss a lottery pick once every 5-10 years. The original thread of discussion was being critical of teams that are *repeatedly* drafting in the lottery with nothing to show for it. Like my Warriors years ago, in the pre-Lacob dark ages heh

[Clyde Frazier]

Wembanyama is Porzingis 2.0 before the injuries.

He’s definitely a unique talent but I see the same issues arising that Porzingis has.

- Never gonna be a “great” rebounder.

- Passing & floor vision will be spotty.

- His game is too perimeter-oriented for his height — guys will be able to push him off his spots

KP has bulked up over the years but even he can’t overcome his high center of gravity.

He will be good (just like Porzingis is good). Just not dominant.

He's a better and more fluid athlete than Kristaps was, and he seems to be adding weight slowly everywhere, where as Kristaps got overly top heavy after his knee injury. Kristaps moved well for his size, but watching this kid glide around the court is much different, at times he looks like a gigantic wing in how he moves.



And the passing seems to be something he has as well

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Yup, being a non hater for a second lol porzingis' strengths were the following:

- great spot up shooter with deep 3PT range
- elite rim protector
- powerful above the rim finisher
- impressive in transition for his size

Wembanyama is showing much more potential as a shot creator and post player. Obviously will have to get stronger but he's so much more agile than porzingis.

[sodmoraes]

He´s got that Wemba mentality