2022-23 Regular Season

[toooskies]

Diakite making a move for roster spot #15...

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How did those 3 look together?

[ijspeelman]

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How did those 3 look together?

Half game preseason sample, but I liked the plays they ran with Garland and Mitchell. They utilized their off-ball and on-ball skills well.

LeVert looked awful on both sides, he took two pull-up threes early in the clock and one fadeaway two. Harden dribbled past him twice with no setup. Fell asleep on a defensive breakdown play where he needed to get to the corner, but instead watched the play. It was pretty bad.

Mitchell played good on ball defense and was early and quick on defensive movement and communication. Mitchell had a really good defensive outing especially off ball.

Side note: Dean Wade took a Duncan Robinson special (he took a DHO from I believe Robin Lopez and shot immediately off movement) which surprised me. He missed, but I’ve never seen him do it before. He tried two similar quick trigger threes in the game and made them. If they can get him on actions shooting threes off movement and hitting them that would do wonders for spacing. I won’t put too much stock into it yet, but it’s something I’ve never seen Wade even attempt.

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How did those 3 look together?

Half game preseason sample, but I liked the plays they ran with Garland and Mitchell. They utilized their off-ball and on-ball skills well.

LeVert looked awful on both sides, he took two pull-up threes early in the clock and one fadeaway two. Harden dribbled past him twice with no setup. Fell asleep on a defensive breakdown play where he needed to get to the corner, but instead watched the play. It was pretty bad.

Mitchell played good on ball defense and was early and quick on defensive movement and communication. Mitchell had a really good defensive outing especially off ball.

Side note: Dean Wade took a Duncan Robinson special (he took a DHO from I believe Robin Lopez and shot immediately off movement) which surprised me. He missed, but I’ve never seen him do it before. He tried two similar quick trigger threes in the game and made them. If they can get him on actions shooting threes off movement and hitting them that would do wonders for spacing. I won’t put too much stock into it yet, but it’s something I’ve never seen Wade even attempt.

I think I saw him do that on some college highlights.

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Dean of Submission reigning 3s. And by that I mean playing a solid role tonight.


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How did those 3 look together?

Half game preseason sample, but I liked the plays they ran with Garland and Mitchell. They utilized their off-ball and on-ball skills well.

LeVert looked awful on both sides, he took two pull-up threes early in the clock and one fadeaway two. Harden dribbled past him twice with no setup. Fell asleep on a defensive breakdown play where he needed to get to the corner, but instead watched the play. It was pretty bad.

Mitchell played good on ball defense and was early and quick on defensive movement and communication. Mitchell had a really good defensive outing especially off ball.

Side note: Dean Wade took a Duncan Robinson special (he took a DHO from I believe Robin Lopez and shot immediately off movement) which surprised me. He missed, but I’ve never seen him do it before. He tried two similar quick trigger threes in the game and made them. If they can get him on actions shooting threes off movement and hitting them that would do wonders for spacing. I won’t put too much stock into it yet, but it’s something I’ve never seen Wade even attempt.

Appreciate the breakdown.

Mitchell said he's gonna try harder on defense, so that's promising to hear he's already doing that.

[jasonxxx102]

I really hope JB doesn't continue this Caris experiment. He was awful with the starting unit. I've just accepted that he's not any good and I was really hyped when they signed him... oh well

[JonFromVA]

LeVert scored 7 pts on 3 for 5 and 1 of 2 on 3's in under 14 minutes. He also dished out 3 assists.

Windler twisted his ankle and lost yet another opportunity to try to prove himself.

Dean Wade was solid, and will presumably get his chance at some point to show what he can do with the starters.

Isaac was playing more aggressively like rookie Isaac, but missed his 2 3pt attempts.

In other words, the SF spot should still be up for grabs, but I imagine LeVert has some inertia as the most experienced/accomplished of the bunch that someone else will need to overcome no matter how much everyone seems to hate the fit.

Me? This is what I like. Seeing these experiments played out.

With Love on the floor, we're always going to be trading offense for defense. We just can't play the same defensively when he's out there, but we sure can score and we stayed ahead of the Sixers in the first half.

As JBB pointed out we can keep 3 out of 5 of our starters on the floor at all times, but that's not how he chose to manage our first pre-season game.

Diakite and Cooper both impressed. I don't know if either will get our last roster spot, but Nembhard may need to fight them off for one of our 2-ways.

And like I always mention this time of the year, we aren't limited to only players on our training camp roster.

[ijspeelman]

I really hope JB doesn't continue this Caris experiment. He was awful with the starting unit. I've just accepted that he's not any good and I was really hyped when they signed him... oh well

I’m down for him to experiment with it as much he wants in the preseason. But last game did look very bad. His only three point attempts were off the dribble which he is known for being mediocre at. However, it was only 14 minutes of action so I don’t want to take a lot away from it.

[JonFromVA]

I really hope JB doesn't continue this Caris experiment. He was awful with the starting unit. I've just accepted that he's not any good and I was really hyped when they signed him... oh well

I’m down for him to experiment with it as much he wants in the preseason. But last game did look very bad. His only three point attempts were off the dribble which he is known for being mediocre at. However, it was only 14 minutes of action so I don’t want to take a lot away from it.

It's all relative to the other talent... and we have not traditionally done much to create shots for guys like Wade, Okoro, Windler.

JBB doesn't have to draw anything up to get LeVert involved in the offense ...

[jasonxxx102]

I'm kind of intrigued about what he can bring offensively from a creation standpoint but his shot selection can be bad at times. I just don't think the Cavs need that in a lineup with Garland/Mitchell/Mobley. I think either Okoro or Wade fit much better with my preference being the former.

Plus I'd rather have a defensive stopper in Okoro matched up with the opponents best guard. Either way the lower the usage the better and Caris isn't really all that great off ball either.

I wouldn't mind him in lineups alongside either Garland or Mitchell but not both.

[ijspeelman]

I really hope JB doesn't continue this Caris experiment. He was awful with the starting unit. I've just accepted that he's not any good and I was really hyped when they signed him... oh well

I’m down for him to experiment with it as much he wants in the preseason. But last game did look very bad. His only three point attempts were off the dribble which he is known for being mediocre at. However, it was only 14 minutes of action so I don’t want to take a lot away from it.

It's all relative to the other talent... and we have not traditionally done much to create shots for guys like Wade, Okoro, Windler.

JBB doesn't have to draw anything up to get LeVert involved in the offense ...

I definitely agree that LeVert is better at creating offense in a freelance set, but you would hope that JB utilizes Wade, Cedi, Windler, and Okoro more to their strengths. I really liked the three off the DHO by Wade (even if he missed) and they definitely should try that more for Windler and Cedi. It makes defenders have to move up on Robin Lopez or Jarrett Allen when they are near the three point line.

They can do similar things for LeVert as well and they had a few good plays for him that got him straight to the basket.

I’ll try to clip some of things I saw last night and post them later.

[jasonxxx102]

I’m down for him to experiment with it as much he wants in the preseason. But last game did look very bad. His only three point attempts were off the dribble which he is known for being mediocre at. However, it was only 14 minutes of action so I don’t want to take a lot away from it.

It's all relative to the other talent... and we have not traditionally done much to create shots for guys like Wade, Okoro, Windler.

JBB doesn't have to draw anything up to get LeVert involved in the offense ...

I definitely agree that LeVert is better at creating offense in a freelance set, but you would hope that JB utilizes Wade, Cedi, Windler, and Okoro more to their strengths. I really liked the three off the DHO by Wade (even if he missed) and they definitely should try that more for Windler and Cedi. It makes defenders have to move up on Robin Lopez or Jarrett Allen when they are near the three point line.

They can do similar things for LeVert as well and they had a few good plays for him that got him straight to the basket.

I’ll try to clip some of things I saw last night and post them later.

So I used to be super hardcore for Okoro starting but last night Wade showed me just enough to make me want to see it more. Really wish we could see Mobley out there too... too bad

How do you clip games? Do you just screen record?

[toooskies]

Yeah, the starting lineup was a little deceptive in terms of who should start at the 3 because swapping Mobley for Love greatly alters what we need out of our starting 3. Love brings shooting and screening to the starting lineup, which greatly devalues those skills when thinking about using Wade there.

(Love at the 4 with Mobley at the 3 is still an interesting possibility if we just want to turn up the offense...)

[JonFromVA]

I’m down for him to experiment with it as much he wants in the preseason. But last game did look very bad. His only three point attempts were off the dribble which he is known for being mediocre at. However, it was only 14 minutes of action so I don’t want to take a lot away from it.

It's all relative to the other talent... and we have not traditionally done much to create shots for guys like Wade, Okoro, Windler.

JBB doesn't have to draw anything up to get LeVert involved in the offense ...

I definitely agree that LeVert is better at creating offense in a freelance set, but you would hope that JB utilizes Wade, Cedi, Windler, and Okoro more to their strengths. I really liked the three off the DHO by Wade (even if he missed) and they definitely should try that more for Windler and Cedi. It makes defenders have to move up on Robin Lopez or Jarrett Allen when they are near the three point line.

They can do similar things for LeVert as well and they had a few good plays for him that got him straight to the basket.

I’ll try to clip some of things I saw last night and post them later.

Just pointing out there's two parts to this (what the player can do and how we use them).

Just looking at 1st half numbers when the starters and primary reserves were playing ...

Wade with 3 pts on 2 attempts, or Okoro with 5 pts on 5 attempts isn't putting the scare in to any opponent. LeVert's 7 points on 5 attempts with 3 assists demonstrates he was more involved offensively in this game.

On the flip side, Cedi has shown he can get up 3pt shots at a pretty high rate, but he needs to show we can trust him in lineups without Rubio and he can play under control.

[ijspeelman]

It's all relative to the other talent... and we have not traditionally done much to create shots for guys like Wade, Okoro, Windler.

JBB doesn't have to draw anything up to get LeVert involved in the offense ...

I definitely agree that LeVert is better at creating offense in a freelance set, but you would hope that JB utilizes Wade, Cedi, Windler, and Okoro more to their strengths. I really liked the three off the DHO by Wade (even if he missed) and they definitely should try that more for Windler and Cedi. It makes defenders have to move up on Robin Lopez or Jarrett Allen when they are near the three point line.

They can do similar things for LeVert as well and they had a few good plays for him that got him straight to the basket.

I’ll try to clip some of things I saw last night and post them later.

So I used to be super hardcore for Okoro starting but last night Wade showed me just enough to make me want to see it more. Really wish we could see Mobley out there too... too bad

How do you clip games? Do you just screen record?

I have leaguepass and then I screen record on Firefox (since its the only browser where its not blocked out). I forget which program I use off the top of my head, but I will edit this comment when I get home to include it.

Edit: OBS Studio

[ijspeelman]

It's all relative to the other talent... and we have not traditionally done much to create shots for guys like Wade, Okoro, Windler.

JBB doesn't have to draw anything up to get LeVert involved in the offense ...

I definitely agree that LeVert is better at creating offense in a freelance set, but you would hope that JB utilizes Wade, Cedi, Windler, and Okoro more to their strengths. I really liked the three off the DHO by Wade (even if he missed) and they definitely should try that more for Windler and Cedi. It makes defenders have to move up on Robin Lopez or Jarrett Allen when they are near the three point line.

They can do similar things for LeVert as well and they had a few good plays for him that got him straight to the basket.

I’ll try to clip some of things I saw last night and post them later.

Just pointing out there's two parts to this (what the player can do and how we use them).

Just looking at 1st half numbers when the starters and primary reserves were playing ...

Wade with 3 pts on 2 attempts, or Okoro with 5 pts on 5 attempts isn't putting the scare in to any opponent. LeVert's 7 points on 5 attempts with 3 assists demonstrates he was more involved offensively in this game.

On the flip side, Cedi has shown he can get up 3pt shots at a pretty high rate, but he needs to show we can trust him in lineups without Rubio and he can play under control.

There is a hidden third part as well. What are the other players doing while the other is on the court or how is their play impacting the entire offense?

Are LeVert's 7 points on 5 attempts and 3 assists more valuable than Wade's 3 points on 2 attempts (Wade actually had 11 points on 6 attempts and 1 assist? You would say in a vacuum yes, but in practice we know that isn't true. If a player dribbles out the clock and then passes to a teammate, they don't get any points, but they also don't get an attempt so it doesn't look bad on their stat sheet.

[JonFromVA]

I definitely agree that LeVert is better at creating offense in a freelance set, but you would hope that JB utilizes Wade, Cedi, Windler, and Okoro more to their strengths. I really liked the three off the DHO by Wade (even if he missed) and they definitely should try that more for Windler and Cedi. It makes defenders have to move up on Robin Lopez or Jarrett Allen when they are near the three point line.

They can do similar things for LeVert as well and they had a few good plays for him that got him straight to the basket.

I’ll try to clip some of things I saw last night and post them later.

Just pointing out there's two parts to this (what the player can do and how we use them).

Just looking at 1st half numbers when the starters and primary reserves were playing ...

Wade with 3 pts on 2 attempts, or Okoro with 5 pts on 5 attempts isn't putting the scare in to any opponent. LeVert's 7 points on 5 attempts with 3 assists demonstrates he was more involved offensively in this game.

On the flip side, Cedi has shown he can get up 3pt shots at a pretty high rate, but he needs to show we can trust him in lineups without Rubio and he can play under control.

There is a hidden third part as well. What are the other players doing while the other is on the court or how is their play impacting the entire offense?

Are LeVert's 7 points on 5 attempts and 3 assists more valuable than Wade's 3 points on 2 attempts (Wade actually had 11 points on 6 attempts and 1 assist? You would say in a vacuum yes, but in practice we know that isn't true. If a player dribbles out the clock and then passes to a teammate, they don't get any points, but they also don't get an attempt so it doesn't look bad on their stat sheet.

(I was just showing 1st half stats since the 2nd half was essentially 24 minutes of garbage time)

Value will show up over time by whether the lineups are working, but functionally we have 5 basketball players we're allowed to use on offense and electing to go 4.3 on 5 would seem to put us at a disadvantage (regardless of who or what is to blame).

Of course defense, rebounding, setting screens, hustle, etc, all count and inefficient offense can be worse than no offense; but even the theoretical fully realized version of Windler would be wasted if all he did in our offense was stand in the corner and attempt a few 3pters a game.

[jasonxxx102]

I definitely agree that LeVert is better at creating offense in a freelance set, but you would hope that JB utilizes Wade, Cedi, Windler, and Okoro more to their strengths. I really liked the three off the DHO by Wade (even if he missed) and they definitely should try that more for Windler and Cedi. It makes defenders have to move up on Robin Lopez or Jarrett Allen when they are near the three point line.

They can do similar things for LeVert as well and they had a few good plays for him that got him straight to the basket.

I’ll try to clip some of things I saw last night and post them later.

So I used to be super hardcore for Okoro starting but last night Wade showed me just enough to make me want to see it more. Really wish we could see Mobley out there too... too bad

How do you clip games? Do you just screen record?

I have leaguepass and then I screen record on Firefox (since its the only browser where its not blocked out). I forget which program I use off the top of my head, but I will edit this comment when I get home to include it.

I'll try firefox, thanks

[ijspeelman]

Here are the clips I was referring to when recapping to JujitsuFlip
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Half game preseason sample, but I liked the plays they ran with Garland and Mitchell. They utilized their off-ball and on-ball skills well.

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LeVert looked awful on both sides, he took two pull-up threes early in the clock (looking at first two clips, one was early and the other was later, but you'd still want him to drive) and one fadeaway two. Harden dribbled past him twice with no setup (not true for 3rd clip) the . Fell asleep on a defensive breakdown play where he needed to get to the corner, but instead watched the play (last clip). It was pretty bad.

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Mitchell played good on ball defense and was early and quick on defensive movement and communication. Mitchell had a really good defensive outing especially off ball.

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Side note: Dean Wade took a Duncan Robinson special (he took a DHO from I believe Robin Lopez and shot immediately off movement) which surprised me. He missed, but I’ve never seen him do it before. He tried two similar quick trigger threes in the game and made them. If they can get him on actions shooting threes off movement and hitting them that would do wonders for spacing. I won’t put too much stock into it yet, but it’s something I’ve never seen Wade even attempt.

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