***Official 2022-23 Training Camp/Preseason Thread***

[MrDollarBills]

It’s a message board. They post Simmons videos on the Sixers board all the time.

No one is doing this. I posted one video the other day and said "Simmons is providing us stuff that we have lacked on both ends, meaning a facilitator, rebounder, and elite defender."

That's it. You however have trolled this board from the day he was traded here. Reported.

Bro, you’ve been living on our board trolling since the trade happened. Cut the crap lol. You take this stuff way too seriously, analyzing Sixer board metrics and whining like a baby

????

You must have have me mistaken with someone else you lying, pathetic clown. Pull up the posts.

[76Love]

Dude, stop.

It’s a message board. They post Simmons videos on the Sixers board all the time.

No one is doing this. I posted one video the other day and said "Simmons is providing us stuff that we have lacked on both ends, meaning a facilitator, rebounder, and elite defender."

That's it. You however have trolled this board from the day he was traded here. Reported.

You told me to "take your bitch ass back to your board" the last time I was on here because I hit a nerve of yours regarding Ben. Now you wanna report one of ours trolling yours?

I could have reported you but I didn't because I'm not soft like you. I see why you're a Nets fan. You're soft just like Ben "I Am What I Am" Simmons is

[Riconet]

I've been as skeptical about Simmons as the next guy, and I think there is a real possibility that this season turns out to be a debacle for him and the team, but I think some patience is in order here. Realistically, he's not going to get comfortable and hit his stride until we are 25+ games into the season.

In addition, Curry, who I think if healthy will be an important piece, probably won't be in his groove until about the same point as Simmons is. And who knows about TJ Warren, who could also be an important contributor.

I don't think we can really evaluate Simmons or the team until then.

[CalamityX12]

I've been as skeptical about Simmons as the next guy, and I think there is a real possibility that this season turns out to be a debacle for him and the team, but I think some patience is in order here. Realistically, he's not going to get comfortable and hit his stride until we are 25+ games into the season.

In addition, Curry, who I think if healthy will be an important piece, probably won't be in his groove until about the same point as Simmons is. And who knows about TJ Warren, who could also be an important contributor.

I don't think we can really evaluate Simmons or the team until then.

So Nash gets a pass again?

[GTR11]

Nash is never gonna stop sucking, the problem is, he is a good buddy with the GM and the owner.

You need to post more man, I hated your Covid takes buy one can have different opinions. I love your takes on things about this team.

Not trying to di** ride this guy, he's legit when it comes to sports. Dumb fu** when it comes to politics.

[GTR11]

I've been as skeptical about Simmons as the next guy, and I think there is a real possibility that this season turns out to be a debacle for him and the team, but I think some patience is in order here. Realistically, he's not going to get comfortable and hit his stride until we are 25+ games into the season.

In addition, Curry, who I think if healthy will be an important piece, probably won't be in his groove until about the same point as Simmons is. And who knows about TJ Warren, who could also be an important contributor.

I don't think we can really evaluate Simmons or the team until then.

What's exactly your point? Why dance around...

Not trying to offend you, just few things:
1- Ben is liability on offense.
2- Again bad coach
3- What exactly you expect from Ben? Be Bruce 2.0, J.Kidd ? What...

[Riconet]

So Nash gets a pass again?

I don't think Nash is remotely the problem with this team. He got them all on the same page and very close to beating Milwaukee in the playoffs 2 years ago, and that was with a 50%-effective Harden and an absent space cadet.

I think the problem with this team is that their best players are lousy leaders (KD), terrible leaders who are frequently checked out, take too many bad shots and are lousy defenders (space cadet), and terrible leaders who like the NBA lifestyle but don't love basketball and don't give a crap about improving (Simmons).

Swap the space cadet and Simmons for Jimmy Butler and Jalen Brown and you could start planning the parade now.

[Riconet]

What's exactly your point? Why dance around...

Not trying to offend you, just few things:
1- Ben is liability on offense.
2- Again bad coach
3- What exactly you expect from Ben? Be Bruce 2.0, J.Kidd ? What...

My point is that you can't evaluate Simmons, who hasn't played basketball in 16 months, based on 2 preseason games, which many here seem ready to do. It's going to take time.

As for what I expect from him, as I said above, I don't expect much. However, it's possible that he's matured and has become focused and determined -- and we won't know that for a while yet. If he has matured and made major adjustments in his approach to the game, he could be a great player.

[MrDollarBills]

We don't remotely have a sample size to judge Simmons here fairly

However, we've had two years of Nash's horse sh*t. He is absolutely one of the biggest problems on this team.

[ArksNetsSince99]

So Nash gets a pass again?

I don't think Nash is remotely the problem with this team. He got them all on the same page and very close to beating Milwaukee in the playoffs 2 years ago, and that was with a 50%-effective Harden and an absent space cadet.

I think the problem with this team is that their best players are lousy leaders (KD), terrible leaders who are frequently checked out, take too many bad shots and are lousy defenders (space cadet), and terrible leaders who like the NBA lifestyle but don't love basketball and don't give a crap about improving (Simmons).

Swap the space cadet and Simmons for Jimmy Butler and Jalen Brown and you could start planning the parade now.

Trash is a Main Problem here since day one , don’t look to scapegoat Simmons for Nash shortcomings, guy is fresh and after back surgery, he might need more time then training camp and few preseason games

Give Nash prime Kobe Shaq and Michael Jordan and he will find the way to **** this up

[Shark]

So Nash gets a pass again?

I don't think Nash is remotely the problem with this team. He got them all on the same page and very close to beating Milwaukee in the playoffs 2 years ago, and that was with a 50%-effective Harden and an absent space cadet.

I think the problem with this team is that their best players are lousy leaders (KD), terrible leaders who are frequently checked out, take too many bad shots and are lousy defenders (space cadet), and terrible leaders who like the NBA lifestyle but don't love basketball and don't give a crap about improving (Simmons).

Swap the space cadet and Simmons for Jimmy Butler and Jalen Brown and you could start planning the parade now.

2 seasons ago we had MDA on the staff. And while I'm not his biggest fan, I will say we've looked absolutely putrid ever since he left.

And yeah, there's plenty of blame to go around, but completely overlooking Nash's lack of progression is just straight up being in denial.

[Gooner]

So Nash gets a pass again?

I don't think Nash is remotely the problem with this team. He got them all on the same page and very close to beating Milwaukee in the playoffs 2 years ago, and that was with a 50%-effective Harden and an absent space cadet.

I think the problem with this team is that their best players are lousy leaders (KD), terrible leaders who are frequently checked out, take too many bad shots and are lousy defenders (space cadet), and terrible leaders who like the NBA lifestyle but don't love basketball and don't give a crap about improving (Simmons).

Swap the space cadet and Simmons for Jimmy Butler and Jalen Brown and you could start planning the parade now.

Trash is a Main Problem here since day one , don’t look to scapegoat Simmons for Nash shortcomings, guy is fresh and after back surgery, he might need more time then training camp and few preseason games

Give Nash prime Kobe Shaq and Michael Jordan and he will find the way to **** this up

Simmons is a flawed player for sure, but he has his qualities that could be useful in the right system. Nash doesn't have any qualities as a coach, and he has no system. He is just completely out of his depth.

[gigantes]

Lot of hand-wringing these days in Netsland, but integrating a unique player like Simmons and a new motion-centric offense, I'd be surprised if the team didn't look rocky for a while. If everything fit in to place right away, something would be borderline fishy.

IMO the problem with Nash is that he's a sunk cost, and regardless of how weak of a HC he is overall, was probably handcuffed to some degree the last two seasons catering to KD & KI. Upgrading him at any time is fine with me, but from Marks' POV, there's the logical expectation that this season he should finally be able to show his best face, plus that firing him is pretty much an admission that he was a major blunder from day one. (which I think he mostly was)

If the team is significantly underperforming coming in to the trade deadline, I still don't think you fire Marks, but Tsai should have him jettison Nash, KD & KI and get back to what Marks is best at, which is drafting well, stockpiling picks, and scrounging young talent, with a quality coach at the helm.

The more Marks & Tsai consider this a championship team, the further off track this train goes IMO.

[MrDollarBills]

Let's just trade everyone and tank for Victor.

[Stone]

Let's just trade everyone and tank for Victor.

Lol......do we even have our own pick?

[MrDollarBills]

Let's just trade everyone and tank for Victor.

Lol......do we even have our own pick?

........oh.

Ok now I'm depressed

[MGrand15]

Look at this quote from Blake Griffin on the Celtics

"The intensity level and maturity level of this group is off the charts. Every day when we get to work, it’s intense … These guys are locked in and nobody has to tell us to be locked in, and that's refreshing."

[MGrand15]

If the team is significantly underperforming coming in to the trade deadline, I still don't think you fire Marks, but Tsai should have him jettison Nash, KD & KI and get back to what Marks is best at, which is drafting well, stockpiling picks, and scrounging young talent, with a quality coach at the helm.

I think that's the plan and most likely what Durant and Tsai agreed on in the summer.

Taking one more swing with this group is the right move. Championship windows are small and rare in the league. We shouldn't punt it away without seeing what KD + Kyrie + Ben look like surrounded by solid role players. With that said, I'm sure everyone is ready to pivot if/when things don't work out. The clock is clearly ticking for this group.

[gigantes]

If the team is significantly underperforming coming in to the trade deadline, I still don't think you fire Marks, but Tsai should have him jettison Nash, KD & KI and get back to what Marks is best at, which is drafting well, stockpiling picks, and scrounging young talent, with a quality coach at the helm.

I think that's the plan and most likely what Durant and Tsai agreed on in the summer.

Taking one more swing with this group is the right move. Championship windows are small and rare in the league. We shouldn't punt it away without seeing what KD + Kyrie + Ben look like surrounded by solid role players. With that said, I'm sure everyone is ready to pivot if/when things don't work out. The clock is clearly ticking for this group.

Yeah, I don't think there's any choice but to play out the first 3/8 of the season in order to rebuild the stars value as much as possible. We've already seen how little they'll fetch at the moment.

One thing I know for sure now is that winning a title is not KD & KI's highest priority, so unlike some, I don't see this as a true contender. Unfortunately, if the Nets look pretty good approaching the break, I fear there's some danger that could backfire in to decisions like resigning Irving and keeping Nash.

I'm happy to be proven wrong, but my working idea is to rebuild value, divest stars, and retool with younger talent and replenished picks.

[MrDollarBills]

Look at this quote from Blake Griffin on the Celtics

"The intensity level and maturity level of this group is off the charts. Every day when we get to work, it’s intense … These guys are locked in and nobody has to tell us to be locked in, and that's refreshing."

KD and Kyrie should be embarrassed.

Seriously, for Blake to say this says all that I need to know about both of them. Tatum and Brown are younger than they are and 1000x more mature as adults and men, there's a reason why they have gone farther as a duo than KD and Kyrie ever will.

I'm honestly ready to check out on this team and preseason isn't even over. Nash is terrible, and we have no leaders.