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Post#261 » by mjkvol » Thu Jun 30, 2022 12:50 am

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The issue with Zhaire as far as I'm concerned has nothing to do with him or any disease, it's the fact that the ridiculous trade was even made. We drafted the perfect kid that was ready to play and filled a need, and traded him for a project and a hope and prayer that a draft pick would increase in value with some proposed rule changes. One of the countless idiotic moves post-Hinkie / pre-Morey.


Bridges was the perfect guy for us but that trade was too good to pass up.

That trade was trash and taking Bridges of SGA was idiotic.


Totally agree, but once the Bridges pick was made the trade should never have been made.
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Post#263 » by Jailblazers7 » Sat Oct 1, 2022 12:47 pm

Melton & Tucker are two ideal mentors for Springer as a top level defender trying to find an offensive niche. The training camp hype is really starting to get to me.
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Post#264 » by zaz102 » Sat Oct 1, 2022 1:57 pm

I assumed there was a good chance he was being waive. Maybe Joe and Queen instead?
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Post#265 » by ankle420breaker » Sat Oct 1, 2022 2:22 pm

zaz102 wrote:I assumed there was a good chance he was being waive. Maybe Joe and Queen instead?
Or Bassey and Queen. Bassey probably more expendable given our front court depth and how relatively easy/cheap it is to secure big man depth these days.

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Post#266 » by Kobblehead » Sat Oct 1, 2022 2:50 pm

Absolutely love the feedback given by Tucker, Rivers and Maxey on Springer.

Brett Brown mistakenly compared Zhaire Smith to a mini-Kawhi. I legitimately think Springer is the prince that was promised, in that regard.
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Post#267 » by 76ciology » Mon Oct 3, 2022 1:51 am

Kobblehead wrote:Absolutely love the feedback given by Tucker, Rivers and Maxey on Springer.

Brett Brown mistakenly compared Zhaire Smith to a mini-Kawhi. I legitimately think Springer is the prince that was promised, in that regard.


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Post#268 » by Kolkmania » Wed Oct 5, 2022 12:18 pm

I'm willing to believe that his defense is legit, but when you can't set people up or shoot well as a guard, then what is the point.
Based on the Nets game I didn't see something that surprised me on that end.

He was primarily dribbling around a screen and throwing prayers, while there were plenty of opportunities to kick it to an open three or create a better shot for himself.
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Post#269 » by 76ciology » Wed Oct 5, 2022 1:10 pm

Even if his defense is legit, it doesnt matter. Because he lacks the length to cover the distance, so he wont be able to send help or rotate effectively. Unless he generates godly number of deflections like melton or thybulle, guard defense is not really that much valuable.

Oh you good at defense? Let me ask the C to set a screen and wipe you away.
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Post#270 » by Kobblehead » Sat Oct 8, 2022 1:55 am

Kolkmania wrote:I'm willing to believe that his defense is legit, but when you can't set people up or shoot well as a guard, then what is the point.
Based on the Nets game I didn't see something that surprised me on that end.

He was primarily dribbling around a screen and throwing prayers, while there were plenty of opportunities to kick it to an open three or create a better shot for himself.

Over 20% assist percentage, over 40% from three (albeit low volume), and over 80% from free throw in college. The G skills are DEFINITELY there. It's just about him gaining confidence and demonstrating them at this level.
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Post#271 » by blargh » Sat Oct 8, 2022 12:50 pm

I can’t figure out his athleticism. His vertical leap numbers at the combine were top tier, but in real games, he seems to have trouble elevating on drives to the basket. Maybe its a footwork thing?
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Post#272 » by Iverson Armband » Sat Oct 8, 2022 1:17 pm

blargh wrote:I can’t figure out his athleticism. His vertical leap numbers at the combine were top tier, but in real games, he seems to have trouble elevating on drives to the basket. Maybe its a footwork thing?

He’s a two foot leaper. In games, a lot of times situations call for you to jump off of one foot.
always a jump shot away.
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Post#273 » by blargh » Sat Oct 8, 2022 3:07 pm

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blargh wrote:I can’t figure out his athleticism. His vertical leap numbers at the combine were top tier, but in real games, he seems to have trouble elevating on drives to the basket. Maybe its a footwork thing?

He’s a two foot leaper. In games, a lot of times situations call for you to jump off of one foot.


You can be a two foot leaper and still be effective on drives. Wade is the classic example. Jojo should hook up Springer with Drew Hanlen next summer. I feel like the kid has a lot of the raw materials to be able to create offense, but needs help putting it together.
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Post#274 » by Iverson Armband » Sat Oct 8, 2022 4:02 pm

blargh wrote:
Iverson Armband wrote:
blargh wrote:I can’t figure out his athleticism. His vertical leap numbers at the combine were top tier, but in real games, he seems to have trouble elevating on drives to the basket. Maybe its a footwork thing?

He’s a two foot leaper. In games, a lot of times situations call for you to jump off of one foot.


You can be a two foot leaper and still be effective on drives. Wade is the classic example. Jojo should hook up Springer with Drew Hanlen next summer. I feel like the kid has a lot of the raw materials to be able to create offense, but needs help putting it together.

Wade could do both. Donovan Mitchell can do both.

Springer cannot do both.
always a jump shot away.
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Post#275 » by 76ciology » Sat Oct 8, 2022 4:15 pm

Hopefully Thunder or Jazz can trade us a useful player for Springer where Springer can help them lose some games.
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Post#276 » by Kolkmania » Mon Oct 10, 2022 9:20 am

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Kolkmania wrote:I'm willing to believe that his defense is legit, but when you can't set people up or shoot well as a guard, then what is the point.
Based on the Nets game I didn't see something that surprised me on that end.

He was primarily dribbling around a screen and throwing prayers, while there were plenty of opportunities to kick it to an open three or create a better shot for himself.

Over 20% assist percentage, over 40% from three (albeit low volume), and over 80% from free throw in college. The G skills are DEFINITELY there. It's just about him gaining confidence and demonstrating them at this level.


I do have some faith in him reaching acceptable shooting %'s, the mechanics looks ok, shame that it takes a while for him to shoot what hurts his volume.
A 1.2 AST/TOV ratio in college isn't exactly an indication that he was a capable playmaker at Tennessee.

I am not saying that he'll never become a NBA player, but at this point I think he's not good enough as a scorer/shooter to function as an off-ball guard and his playmaking skills are too poor for being an primary initiator.
Hopefully another year in G-League and perhaps some incidental minutes in blowout games will help him develop.
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Post#277 » by the_process » Mon Oct 10, 2022 5:52 pm

Hopefully Springer is still well regarded enough in his draft grades (by other teams) to be considered a trade chip.
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Post#278 » by SixthStreet » Wed Oct 12, 2022 7:43 pm

Who will have the better next 5 years? Ben Simmons or Springer?
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Post#279 » by LeonJordanJr24 » Wed Oct 12, 2022 7:50 pm

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Post#280 » by ankle420breaker » Wed Oct 12, 2022 8:48 pm

the_process wrote:Hopefully Springer is still well regarded enough in his draft grades (by other teams) to be considered a trade chip.
Agreed. Super young, but his foundation has clear limitations. He should still be a nice trade sweetener.

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