Trade Thread (EPISODE VII: Which team wants our bad players for their good players?)

[xdrta+]

if Cam Reddish wants out of NY i'd love to bring him in here as a buy low candidate, love his fit in this scheme off ball

You'd need to send out $4.8M in salary. Who would you send?

[Scoots1994]

if Cam Reddish wants out of NY i'd love to bring him in here as a buy low candidate, love his fit in this scheme off ball

What are you sending out for him?

[clyde21]

if Cam Reddish wants out of NY i'd love to bring him in here as a buy low candidate, love his fit in this scheme off ball

You'd need to send out $4.8M in salary. Who would you send?

Baldwin/Rollins a possibility, or Poole for Cam + multiple firsts from them, or for DDV later on the season, there are many scenarios but he'd definitely be on my watchlist.

[whatisacenter]

if Cam Reddish wants out of NY i'd love to bring him in here as a buy low candidate, love his fit in this scheme off ball

You'd need to send out $4.8M in salary. Who would you send?

Baldwin/Rollins a possibility, or Poole for Cam + multiple firsts from them, or for DDV later on the season, there are many scenarios but he'd definitely be on my watchlist.

I was high on Cam and thought he was going to bust out when he came back from his injury during the Hawks playoff run a couple of years ago. Since then he was shipped off to NY and quickly got into Thib's doghouse. Not sure what to make of him at this point but he still interests me.

[TrueFan420]

if Cam Reddish wants out of NY i'd love to bring him in here as a buy low candidate, love his fit in this scheme off ball

You'd need to send out $4.8M in salary. Who would you send?

Baldwin/Rollins a possibility, or Poole for Cam + multiple firsts from them, or for DDV later on the season, there are many scenarios but he'd definitely be on my watchlist.

DDV has a no trade clause. Poole goes no where. I’d rather roll the dice on Baldwin and Rollins on cheap deals than Cam.

[xdrta+]

You'd need to send out $4.8M in salary. Who would you send?

Baldwin/Rollins a possibility, or Poole for Cam + multiple firsts from them, or for DDV later on the season, there are many scenarios but he'd definitely be on my watchlist.

DDV has a no trade clause. Poole goes no where. I’d rather roll the dice on Baldwin and Rollins on cheap deals than Cam.

Not sure what you mean. DiVincenzo can be traded after Dec 15 like any other FA signed this summer.

[TrueFan420]

Baldwin/Rollins a possibility, or Poole for Cam + multiple firsts from them, or for DDV later on the season, there are many scenarios but he'd definitely be on my watchlist.

DDV has a no trade clause. Poole goes no where. I’d rather roll the dice on Baldwin and Rollins on cheap deals than Cam.

Not sure what you mean. DiVincenzo can be traded after Dec 15 like any other FA signed this summer.

I thought I remembered reading that he had a no trade clause added to his contract. He signed here for a specific reason and didn’t want his cap to be use for a move and wind back up on a tanking team. Also the reason he has a player option on year two.

It might just be a trade kicker so he gets a raise if he’s moved and can then opt out. The way his deal was set up was designed to make it difficult for us to move him.

[clyde21]

DDV has a no trade clause. Poole goes no where. I’d rather roll the dice on Baldwin and Rollins on cheap deals than Cam.

Not sure what you mean. DiVincenzo can be traded after Dec 15 like any other FA signed this summer.

I thought I remembered reading that he had a no trade clause added to his contract. He signed here for a specific reason and didn’t want his cap to be use for a move and wind back up on a tanking team. Also the reason he has a player option on year two.

It might just be a trade kicker so he gets a raise if he’s moved and can then opt out. The way his deal was set up was designed to make it difficult for us to move him.

its a 15% trade kicker, not a NTC

[xdrta+]

Not sure what you mean. DiVincenzo can be traded after Dec 15 like any other FA signed this summer.

I thought I remembered reading that he had a no trade clause added to his contract. He signed here for a specific reason and didn’t want his cap to be use for a move and wind back up on a tanking team. Also the reason he has a player option on year two.

It might just be a trade kicker so he gets a raise if he’s moved and can then opt out. The way his deal was set up was designed to make it difficult for us to move him.

its a 15% trade kicker, not a NTC

Makes sense, also not much of a hindrance to trading him since kickers pro-rate during the season. If DiVincenzo were traded halfway through the season, the kicker would be $337,500.

[whatisacenter]

I thought I remembered reading that he had a no trade clause added to his contract. He signed here for a specific reason and didn’t want his cap to be use for a move and wind back up on a tanking team. Also the reason he has a player option on year two.

It might just be a trade kicker so he gets a raise if he’s moved and can then opt out. The way his deal was set up was designed to make it difficult for us to move him.

its a 15% trade kicker, not a NTC

Makes sense, also not much of a hindrance to trading him since kickers pro-rate during the season. If DiVincenzo were traded halfway through the season, the kicker would be $337,500.

I would be surprised if the Warriors were to include DDV in a trade after he took less to sign here as a FA. It would look bad to future FA’s.

[tarantism]

its a 15% trade kicker, not a NTC

Makes sense, also not much of a hindrance to trading him since kickers pro-rate during the season. If DiVincenzo were traded halfway through the season, the kicker would be $337,500.

I would be surprised if the Warriors were to include DDV in a trade after he took less to sign here as a FA. It would look bad to future FA’s.

He's also better than Reddish.

Ditto for trading two young rookies for Reddish, who so far has been a bust. Never a good sign when a guy gets a change of scenery and can't make an impact.

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[wco81]

I wonder what kind of contract Reddish will get when he hits free agency in a season or two.

Knicks may give him a qualifying deal?

Unless he really turns it around this season.

[Scoots1994]

Reclamation projects who have never performed at a reasonable level almost always fail to impress later. It may be focus, desire, or corruption because of money ... but the odds of it suddenly getting cleaned up is tiny.

[Warriors Analyst]

Reclamation projects who have never performed at a reasonable level almost always fail to impress later. It may be focus, desire, or corruption because of money ... but the odds of it suddenly getting cleaned up is tiny.

I disagree, to an extent. I think reclamation projects are worthy, but mostly as role players. In fact, there's a long history of underachieving hyperathletes with poor feel turning into capable role players after disappointing during their first contract. I'd argue that the sweet spot for these reclamation projects is age 26-28, by which point they've gotten enough reps in to overcome their inherent IQ limitations. But to my point:

JaVale McGee, Gerald Green, J.R. Smith, Ben McLemore (to a lesser extent), and Biyombo stand out as a few players in that mold, just off the top of my head.

[Scoots1994]

Reclamation projects who have never performed at a reasonable level almost always fail to impress later. It may be focus, desire, or corruption because of money ... but the odds of it suddenly getting cleaned up is tiny.

I disagree, to an extent. I think reclamation projects are worthy, but mostly as role players. In fact, there's a long history of underachieving hyperathletes with poor feel turning into capable role players after disappointing during their first contract. I'd argue that the sweet spot for these reclamation projects is age 26-28, by which point they've gotten enough reps in to overcome their inherent IQ limitations. But to my point:

JaVale McGee, Gerald Green, J.R. Smith, Ben McLemore (to a lesser extent), and Biyombo stand out as a few players in that mold, just off the top of my head.

Would you trade two rookies or Poole for any of those players at 26-28 years old?

And I said "fail to impress" not were not NBA worthy or anything like that.

That list of players were certainly worth the around veteran minimum contracts they got for the majority of their careers, except for a few aberrations that their teams regretted. It's also a little interesting that 3 of them were 18th picks in the draft and the lone lottery pick to compare to Reddish is the youngest by far in McLemore, and he is so valued by his teams that he's on his 5th team in 4 years.

And Cam Reddish is not in that 26-28 range yet which means teams that go for him will still often overpay based on their draft scouting reports. He needs a few more years of being beaten down.

[HiRez]

Just for fun, a blockbuster youngster trade proposal. Was trying to think of a single team to trade with to balance out our roster a little better, and deal with the looming Poole contract extension.

Orlando gets
Poole
Wiseman
Kuminga

Golden State gets
Franz Wagner
Suggs
Bamba (I think trade needs to wait until Dec. 15)

Wagner has a better feel for the game than JK and helps keep the ball moving. Easier to fit into multiple lineups than JK. Bamba is a better rim defender and rebounder than Wiseman who can also stretch to the 3 line on offense when needed. Suggs isn't better than Poole right now, had a rough freshman year shooting, but he's a good passer with good size and the shooting will probably improve somewhat (he shot >50% in college). Orlando can absorb a big contract extension while the Warriors may not be able to without sacrificing someone else (Wiggs, Draymond). In short, Orlando gets the flash they can use to sell seats, Dubs get a roster with more interchangeable pieces, who can blend better with our core players.

PG: Curry, Suggs, DiVincenzo, Rollins
SG: Klay, Moody, DiVincenzo, Suggs, Rollins
SF: Wiggins, Wagner, Iguodala, Moody, PBJ
PF: Draymond, Wagner, Wiggins, J. Green, PBJ, Iguodala
C: Looney, Bamba, J. Green, Draymond

After our core guys retire, new core becomes:

Suggs
Moody
Wiggins
Wagner
Bamba
+ maybe DDV/PBJ/Rollins/Santos

Still a good mix of inside + outside offense, defense, passing, and BBIQ.

Let me be clear I really like ALL our young guys and will be happy to watch them develop, I'm not advocating "dumping" any of them, but there are some current and future issues that might be resolved with a trade or two.

[wco81]

No way the Magic does that deal.

Unless they think Wagner and Suggs to a lesser extent doesn't fit well with Banchero.

Bamba is the only one not on a rookie contract but Poole would be due for a big contract.

I don't know, Warriors need Poole's scoring and you can't rely on the young players the Warriors would get to provide that scoring.

I think the Magic would be more likely to do it if Suggs and Wagner were due for extensions in a year and they didn't want to pay either or at least one of them.

[shazam_guy]

I don't like that idea at all, although I appreciate the attempt to deal with the contract logjam. Suggs hasn't proven he can do anything yet, Bamba has been generally mediocre, and only Wagner rings the bell. For that we'd give up the only one of all six players who's proved he has star potential, plus Wiseman (who even if he's a disappointment will probably still be better than Bamba long-term) and Kuminga.

Pass.

[tarantism]

Not saying we *should* trade Draymond, but if we did, how about this package from Detroit?

Saddiq Bey
Kelly O
Cory Joseph

Obviously the only real prize is Bey here, but the trade saves GSW about 5 mil this year as well. Olynyk and Joseph could probably be bought out if we didn't want to roster them.

Bey can play the 3 or 4, is a knock down shooter and his size and strength makes him a decent defender in the post. More of a finisher than a playmaker, but the amount of open looks he'd get in our offense is ridiculous.

A Steph/Klay/Wigs/Bey/Looney lineup has a bunch of ridiculous shooting and Looney looked comfortable running the Dray post splits last season so we can still keep those in the offense.

Again, not saying I'm in a rush to get Dray out of here but picking up a guy like Bey could be the ideal scenario since he flies a bit under the radar and Detroit would have more drive than most to pick him up.

Edit: we could sub out Killian Hayes for Joseph in this deal, but then I think we'd have to cut somebody because Hayes' size, playmaking and defense probably deserves a look in our system.

[floppymoose]

Is there a Klay+Wiseman trade out there? Any teams who can eat that salary and send picks back?