Jordan Poole resigned with GSW. Is the system fair?

[BadMofoPimp]

There is something wrong in Green's head.

Mr. Green has said himself that he will seek mental help.

No, pushing someone away from your chest is illegal in zero of 50 states. Where did you learn the law? Pushing someone down the stairs is illegal. Pushing someone away from your chest is illegal nowhere.

Green should be in jail.

A quick google reveals that indeed Poole could be charged for assault.

Example:

It's usually not a defense to the crime of assault that you did not intend to injure the victim. Although assault laws vary from state to state, in most cases if you intentionally (rather than accidentally) shoved the victim, you can be convicted of assault, whether you intended to injure the victim or not. In other words, it's the intent to shove, regardless of the intent to cause the resulting injury, that justifies a charge of assault.

The thing here is that he very clearly felt threatened by Green's actions before anything physical happened. A self-defence case can be clearly made. We don't know Green's words as he charged Poole, but they were unlikely pancake recipes.


This I find perplexing:

The San Francisco Police Dept. tells TMZ Sports ... it is not investigating the incident and had no involvement in the matter.

All in all I cannot understand how the police can ignore a clear act of violence. Perhaps two should becharged, but to ignore an investigation out of hand is odd given the physical evidence.

because Poole wants his next contract, so of course he will not press charges. GSW has enabled Green for years, so of course they will not suspend him. They are already trying to change the narrative by going after whoever leaked the video. And Green stepping away is just damage control until someone else in the league does something stupid. but he will be back in less than a week and "all will be good" with the team.

Poole wouldn't be charged as Green initiated the violence by getting nose to nose with Poole. Self defense.

[Ducklett]

Mr. Green has said himself that he will seek mental help.




A quick google reveals that indeed Poole could be charged for assault.

Example:


The thing here is that he very clearly felt threatened by Green's actions before anything physical happened. A self-defence case can be clearly made. We don't know Green's words as he charged Poole, but they were unlikely pancake recipes.


This I find perplexing:


All in all I cannot understand how the police can ignore a clear act of violence. Perhaps two should becharged, but to ignore an investigation out of hand is odd given the physical evidence.

because Poole wants his next contract, so of course he will not press charges. GSW has enabled Green for years, so of course they will not suspend him. They are already trying to change the narrative by going after whoever leaked the video. And Green stepping away is just damage control until someone else in the league does something stupid. but he will be back in less than a week and "all will be good" with the team.

Poole wouldn't be charged as Green initiated the violence by getting nose to nose with Poole. Self defense.

Don't we have a lawyer that hangs around on here? I am fairly confident that in California they have attempt to flee statutes on the books, Green didn't try to flee before putting hands on Green and they aren't in Poole's home, so self defense could be rightly questioned (in California). Invoking self defense also admits to breaking the law (committing assault), it just says that it was justified to break the law.

[tiderulz]

because Poole wants his next contract, so of course he will not press charges. GSW has enabled Green for years, so of course they will not suspend him. They are already trying to change the narrative by going after whoever leaked the video. And Green stepping away is just damage control until someone else in the league does something stupid. but he will be back in less than a week and "all will be good" with the team.

Poole wouldn't be charged as Green initiated the violence by getting nose to nose with Poole. Self defense.

Don't we have a lawyer that hangs around on here? I am fairly confident that in California they have attempt to flee statutes on the books, Green didn't try to flee before putting hands on Green and they aren't in Poole's home, so self defense could be rightly questioned (in California). Invoking self defense also admits to breaking the law (committing assault), it just says that it was justified to break the law.

if you watch the video, Green was the first to make contact with Poole. he made contact before Poole pushed him back. Im no lawyer, but i think that case can easily be made. Poole wont press charges though. He knows GSW wants to sweep it under the rug and it will help with his contract negotiations.

[Ducklett]

Poole wouldn't be charged as Green initiated the violence by getting nose to nose with Poole. Self defense.

Don't we have a lawyer that hangs around on here? I am fairly confident that in California they have attempt to flee statutes on the books, Green didn't try to flee before putting hands on Green and they aren't in Poole's home, so self defense could be rightly questioned (in California). Invoking self defense also admits to breaking the law (committing assault), it just says that it was justified to break the law.

if you watch the video, Green was the first to make contact with Poole. he made contact before Poole pushed him back. Im no lawyer, but i think that case can easily be made. Poole wont press charges though. He knows GSW wants to sweep it under the rug and it will help with his contract negotiations.

I am not disputing that Green walked over to him. Poole made no effort to leave the situation. He was barking right back at Green and took a verbal pissing match and escalated it with physical force. It isn't like Poole said nothing and Green just charged him for no reason, or maybe he did because Green is absolutely nuts. I am pretty sure the cops haven't charged either because the charges wouldn't stick on either (because of the level of involvement by both parties).

[tiderulz]

Don't we have a lawyer that hangs around on here? I am fairly confident that in California they have attempt to flee statutes on the books, Green didn't try to flee before putting hands on Green and they aren't in Poole's home, so self defense could be rightly questioned (in California). Invoking self defense also admits to breaking the law (committing assault), it just says that it was justified to break the law.

if you watch the video, Green was the first to make contact with Poole. he made contact before Poole pushed him back. Im no lawyer, but i think that case can easily be made. Poole wont press charges though. He knows GSW wants to sweep it under the rug and it will help with his contract negotiations.

I am not disputing that Green walked over to him. Poole made no effort to leave the situation. He was barking right back at Green and took a verbal pissing match and escalated it with physical force. It isn't like Poole said nothing and Green just charged him for no reason, or maybe he did because Green is absolutely nuts. I am pretty sure the cops haven't charged either because the charges wouldn't stick on either (because of the level of involvement by both parties).

why does Poole need to make an effort to move or do anything. He was standing still and Green walked up and physically made contact with him. If im standing on the street and someone comes up to me and makes contract, im under no obligation to make an effort to "leave the situation". and yes, if 2 people are jawing/yelling at each other and one person makes contact or assault first, charges can be brought up, if someone presses those charges. If Poole doesnt press charges, i dont believe the police can do anything. but again, im no lawyer

[Ducklett]

if you watch the video, Green was the first to make contact with Poole. he made contact before Poole pushed him back. Im no lawyer, but i think that case can easily be made. Poole wont press charges though. He knows GSW wants to sweep it under the rug and it will help with his contract negotiations.

I am not disputing that Green walked over to him. Poole made no effort to leave the situation. He was barking right back at Green and took a verbal pissing match and escalated it with physical force. It isn't like Poole said nothing and Green just charged him for no reason, or maybe he did because Green is absolutely nuts. I am pretty sure the cops haven't charged either because the charges wouldn't stick on either (because of the level of involvement by both parties).

why does Poole need to make an effort to move or do anything. He was standing still and Green walked up and physically made contact with him. If im standing on the street and someone comes up to me and makes contract, im under no obligation to make an effort to "leave the situation". and yes, if 2 people are jawing/yelling at each other and one person makes contact or assault first, charges can be brought up, if someone presses those charges. If Poole doesnt press charges, i dont believe the police can do anything. but again, im no lawyer

Your example isn't what happened here. Maybe Green showed him a gun or a knife and told him "I am about to stab you". We don't know what was said. Someone walking up to you when you are barking at them to bark at you is equal "force". You don't have a right to shove, kick, punch, etc unless something they said was "I am about to stab you". You also need the defense to make sense in the situation. Poole could have literally let him bark and walk off to de-escalate. Poole decided he rather shove Green to escalate the situation. In the eyes of the law, Poole disregarded what happened to Green's well being with textbook assault. Green, I guess, could also argue he was acting in self-defense (I don't think that would work, but he could) because Poole assaulted him. This is why this kind of stuff is messy.

[pepe1991]

Green already back with team. Players & Office fears they are getting punched next if they keep him suspended

[tiderulz]

I am not disputing that Green walked over to him. Poole made no effort to leave the situation. He was barking right back at Green and took a verbal pissing match and escalated it with physical force. It isn't like Poole said nothing and Green just charged him for no reason, or maybe he did because Green is absolutely nuts. I am pretty sure the cops haven't charged either because the charges wouldn't stick on either (because of the level of involvement by both parties).

why does Poole need to make an effort to move or do anything. He was standing still and Green walked up and physically made contact with him. If im standing on the street and someone comes up to me and makes contract, im under no obligation to make an effort to "leave the situation". and yes, if 2 people are jawing/yelling at each other and one person makes contact or assault first, charges can be brought up, if someone presses those charges. If Poole doesnt press charges, i dont believe the police can do anything. but again, im no lawyer

Your example isn't what happened here. Maybe Green showed him a gun or a knife and told him "I am about to stab you". We don't know what was said. Someone walking up to you when you are barking at them to bark at you is equal "force". You don't have a right to shove, kick, punch, etc unless something they said was "I am about to stab you". You also need the defense to make sense in the situation. Poole could have literally let him bark and walk off to de-escalate. Poole decided he rather shove Green to escalate the situation. In the eyes of the law, Poole disregarded what happened to Green's well being with textbook assault. Green, I guess, could also argue he was acting in self-defense (I don't think that would work, but he could) because Poole assaulted him. This is why this kind of stuff is messy.

what i saw was Green walking up and making physical contact with Poole first. talking, yelling, etc doesnt mean anything. Green bodied him up chest to chest, Poole pushed him back, Green punched him.

[BadMofoPimp]

Don't we have a lawyer that hangs around on here? I am fairly confident that in California they have attempt to flee statutes on the books, Green didn't try to flee before putting hands on Green and they aren't in Poole's home, so self defense could be rightly questioned (in California). Invoking self defense also admits to breaking the law (committing assault), it just says that it was justified to break the law.

if you watch the video, Green was the first to make contact with Poole. he made contact before Poole pushed him back. Im no lawyer, but i think that case can easily be made. Poole wont press charges though. He knows GSW wants to sweep it under the rug and it will help with his contract negotiations.

I am not disputing that Green walked over to him. Poole made no effort to leave the situation. He was barking right back at Green and took a verbal pissing match and escalated it with physical force. It isn't like Poole said nothing and Green just charged him for no reason, or maybe he did because Green is absolutely nuts. I am pretty sure the cops haven't charged either because the charges wouldn't stick on either (because of the level of involvement by both parties).

To me it was clear as day that Green was the aggressor. Green was jawing in a very threatening manor for the onset. Poole was talking back in a non-threatening manor but while they were jawing (Green was jawing more aggressively), Green became more and more aggressive til he chest bumped him while going nose to nose jawing in Poole's face. That tells me that Poole did absolutely nothing wrong to justify being punched in the face.

[BadMofoPimp]

I am not disputing that Green walked over to him. Poole made no effort to leave the situation. He was barking right back at Green and took a verbal pissing match and escalated it with physical force. It isn't like Poole said nothing and Green just charged him for no reason, or maybe he did because Green is absolutely nuts. I am pretty sure the cops haven't charged either because the charges wouldn't stick on either (because of the level of involvement by both parties).

why does Poole need to make an effort to move or do anything. He was standing still and Green walked up and physically made contact with him. If im standing on the street and someone comes up to me and makes contract, im under no obligation to make an effort to "leave the situation". and yes, if 2 people are jawing/yelling at each other and one person makes contact or assault first, charges can be brought up, if someone presses those charges. If Poole doesnt press charges, i dont believe the police can do anything. but again, im no lawyer

Your example isn't what happened here. Maybe Green showed him a gun or a knife and told him "I am about to stab you". We don't know what was said. Someone walking up to you when you are barking at them to bark at you is equal "force". You don't have a right to shove, kick, punch, etc unless something they said was "I am about to stab you". You also need the defense to make sense in the situation. Poole could have literally let him bark and walk off to de-escalate. Poole decided he rather shove Green to escalate the situation. In the eyes of the law, Poole disregarded what happened to Green's well being with textbook assault. Green, I guess, could also argue he was acting in self-defense (I don't think that would work, but he could) because Poole assaulted him. This is why this kind of stuff is messy.

So, a bully should be allowed to push everyone around them and everyone cowers is what you are saying. Even if that bully punches you in the face, you should say sorry and back off. Typical. Let the bully act out til someone gets hurt. In reality, there is nothing Poole could have done where Green would have went off on Poole at some point. Maybe Green has been like this for years and finally Poole had enough of Green acting like a jerk and stood up for himself and said something back. Now, you saying Poole is the bad guy for talking back to the bully?

If I was commissioner, Green would be kicked out of the league for 10 to 20 games. That type of attitude and aggression he shown in punching Poole should never be tolerated, ever.

Hey, if someone at your job started talking really loud and talking trash about you, is that ok if your bosses don't do nothing. Do you just walk away every time?

I have had bully's mess with me in my days many times and the only times they have backed off is when I stood up to them or at least called them out on their bullcrap. Whenever I walked away, they came back at me the next day. Eventually, I stepped up instead of stepping back. The worst was when a 6'7" 265lb guy walked up to me, a 5'11" 170lb guy. I stood there and looked back eye to eye, nose to nose and said nothing. I don't talk shyt, ever. But, I never back down no matter how big they are. He made to swing at me and when I didn't flinch and was ready to go toe to toe, then stopped, smiled and said,"you a bad mother fo," then turned and walked away. More than once, I had to physically defend myself. I never start anything and always attempt to de-escalate but if that don't work, I stand still and be ready to throw down without being the aggressor. That is how I got my name.

[Ducklett]

why does Poole need to make an effort to move or do anything. He was standing still and Green walked up and physically made contact with him. If im standing on the street and someone comes up to me and makes contract, im under no obligation to make an effort to "leave the situation". and yes, if 2 people are jawing/yelling at each other and one person makes contact or assault first, charges can be brought up, if someone presses those charges. If Poole doesnt press charges, i dont believe the police can do anything. but again, im no lawyer

Your example isn't what happened here. Maybe Green showed him a gun or a knife and told him "I am about to stab you". We don't know what was said. Someone walking up to you when you are barking at them to bark at you is equal "force". You don't have a right to shove, kick, punch, etc unless something they said was "I am about to stab you". You also need the defense to make sense in the situation. Poole could have literally let him bark and walk off to de-escalate. Poole decided he rather shove Green to escalate the situation. In the eyes of the law, Poole disregarded what happened to Green's well being with textbook assault. Green, I guess, could also argue he was acting in self-defense (I don't think that would work, but he could) because Poole assaulted him. This is why this kind of stuff is messy.

So, a bully should be allowed to push everyone around them and everyone cowers is what you are saying. Even if that bully punches you in the face, you should say sorry and back off. Typical. Let the bully act out til someone gets hurt. In reality, there is nothing Poole could have done where Green would have went off on Poole at some point. Maybe Green has been like this for years and finally Poole had enough of Green acting like a jerk and stood up for himself and said something back. Now, you saying Poole is the bad guy for talking back to the bully?

If I was commissioner, Green would be kicked out of the league for 10 to 20 games. That type of attitude and aggression he shown in punching Poole should never be tolerated, ever.

Hey, if someone at your job started talking really loud and talking trash about you, is that ok if your bosses don't do nothing. Do you just walk away every time?

I have had bully's mess with me in my days many times and the only times they have backed off is when I stood up to them or at least called them out on their bullcrap. Whenever I walked away, they came back at me the next day. Eventually, I stepped up instead of stepping back. The worst was when a 6'7" 265lb guy walked up to me, a 5'11" 170lb guy. I stood there and looked back eye to eye, nose to nose and said nothing. I don't talk shyt, ever. But, I never back down no matter how big they are. He made to swing at me and when I didn't flinch and was ready to go toe to toe, then stopped, smiled and said,"you a bad mother fo," then turned and walked away. More than once, I had to physically defend myself. I never start anything and always attempt to de-escalate but if that don't work, I stand still and be ready to throw down without being the aggressor. That is how I got my name.

I am talking specifically how the law sees it, not the morality of it. I have already said several times that Green is a nut.

[tiderulz]

if you watch the video, Green was the first to make contact with Poole. he made contact before Poole pushed him back. Im no lawyer, but i think that case can easily be made. Poole wont press charges though. He knows GSW wants to sweep it under the rug and it will help with his contract negotiations.

I am not disputing that Green walked over to him. Poole made no effort to leave the situation. He was barking right back at Green and took a verbal pissing match and escalated it with physical force. It isn't like Poole said nothing and Green just charged him for no reason, or maybe he did because Green is absolutely nuts. I am pretty sure the cops haven't charged either because the charges wouldn't stick on either (because of the level of involvement by both parties).

To me it was clear as day that Green was the aggressor. Green was jawing in a very threatening manor for the onset. Poole was talking back in a non-threatening manor but while they were jawing (Green was jawing more aggressively), Green became more and more aggressive til he chest bumped him while going nose to nose jawing in Poole's face. That tells me that Poole did absolutely nothing wrong to justify being punched in the face.

more word coming out was that Green was constantly calling him a b%#$h trying to needle Poole and get him to do something

[Skybox]

To me, what makes this especially bad is that Green wasn't on the floor playing...usually, a practice fight (and this wasn't a "fight" by any definition) happens when two guys are going at it, bumping, fouling, competing hard and it just escalates to more. Those are easily explained away. "We're both competitors. Two dogs out there. He's my brother and this stuff happens"...Green walked on to the floor, leaned into him like a Rottweiler intimidating a dachshund. When Poole had the audacity to demand he respect his space, he absolutely hauled off with bad intent. You just don't do that.

Poole's push,IMO, was absolutely not a provocation or escalation of the situation. Anybody that says moving a guy that is physically leaning on you and trying to mad dog you is instigating a fight is wrong. A push never equals a punch. Pushing is the usual "hold me back" BS that guys use to stand their ground, make their point, etc...a full body, hip turning right hand to the jaw of a guy whose hands are down is something else entirely. Poole went down in a heap, as almost anyone would when hit like that with no preparation or attempt at defense. If Poole had pushed him off and then squared up to face him, that would be a different story - but still wrong of Green to throw a haymaker at his teammate's face. This wasn't a fight, it was an assault. I could care less about the legalistic mumbo jumbo, it doesn't matter since Poole was Ok...but the "man code", "teammate code", "just don't do that to your brother" code was violated badly.

GSW is very lucky that Poole didn't miss significant time with a broken jaw or cheekbone. If I'm Poole, I'm honestly thinking hard about how this is handled and how valued I am, valued but buried on GSW's deep roster w/cost-controlled Moody and Kuminga coming on strong (and playing defense). I might have been looking at other spots anyway. I'm not sure what words could make him feel okay if Draymond is "just being Draymond" and it'll just blow over. GSW better back up the Brinks truck if they want to keep him happy. He's got a ring (and had a big part in it)...why not go see what you can be in a featured role on a young team?

[DiplomaticMagic]

Im usually a Draymond defender, mainly because I really like the Warriors but the fact that he isnt suspended for this is absolute bull. The league should step in.

[Rainwater]

Im usually a Draymond defender, mainly because I really like the Warriors but the fact that he isnt suspended for this is absolute bull. The league should step in.

I disagree. We don't even know how many of these fights happen in practice. The only reason this got so big is because there was video. Will the league have to step in for all those situations. This should be handled in house.

[Rainwater]

Well, we can close this thread, lol.

[pepe1991]

When Herro got that money it was clear ( as i've said in moment it was official) that it will be price for Poole.
And ofc , he got identical contract, given that their stats were near identical, much like their roles.

Wep, time to close the thread. I'm just happy it's already over, it's not like Beal situation where guy had 90 pages every year of " Magic should target Bradley Beal"

[jonbob17]

4/140? $35M per year. I mean what does that equate to in luxury tax dollars? are they really paying like $100m a year to keep this guy on?

Maybe this is one of the silly salaries we see ahead of the new tv deal, but it seems excessive for Poole.

[tooler]

When is he available for trade?

[Bensational]

So Warriors will have $122M committed to just Steph, Klay and Draymond next season, plus another $55M now to Poole and Wiggins combined. Plus about $20M to Wiseman, Kuminga and Moody. They’ll be over $200M in player salaries - they’re basically mocking the luxury tax at this point.