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Post#601 » by thunderdunk » Thu Oct 13, 2022 5:22 am

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SinceGatlingWasARookie wrote:The fine should go from Draymond to Jordan Poole. The team can't give money to Jordan Poole because of the salary cap. But Draymond can give money to Jordan Poole.


Fines go to charities, it's in the CBA.

And it would need to be a hell of a lot more than $50k. I still say JP will never forget this, and time will tell how this all plays out. Maybe it works out like it did for Kerr and MJ. Maybe not.

Anyway, looking forward to what should be a really interesting season. The 2nd team looks pretty solid, whoever makes the squad and/or stays on the G-league team. If everybody stays healthy, this year could be really fun to watch.
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Post#602 » by watch1958 » Thu Oct 13, 2022 7:15 am

Well, it puts the max extension talks on hold. He isn’t in a great place to even decline the option, which pushes extension talks off until next season.

Unless he really wants to fall on his sword and agree to something like 3/45.

That would be a decent punishment. Sucker punch a dude over contact talks, then take a deal where he earns double what you do.
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Post#603 » by SinceGatlingWasARookie » Thu Oct 13, 2022 8:28 am

watch1958 wrote:Well, it puts the max extension talks on hold. He isn’t in a great place to even decline the option, which pushes extension talks off until next season.

Unless he really wants to fall on his sword and agree to something like 3/45.

That would be a decent punishment. Sucker punch a dude over contact talks, then take a deal where he earns double what you do.

I don't know where the over contract talks came from but everybody who was there refuses to say what it was about but they all emphatically deny that it had anything to do with contracts.

Presumably Poole said something and it waan't because Poole was running a play incorrectly. Nobody will tell us what Poole said.

From a video made years ago Draymond was sticking up for rookie Poole talking trash to Glen Robinson 2nd. Draymond was saying that Robinson has to be able to handle trash talk. Draymond said his teammates were telling Draymond to force Poole to stop talking trash to Robinson and Draymond told his teammates to let Poole do his thing and that Poole talking trash to Robinson was a good thing.
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Post#604 » by azwfan » Thu Oct 13, 2022 12:50 pm

Was just thinking how humorous it would be if Draymond has a good season, we win the title, he opts out, and then the Lakers sign Kyrie.
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Post#605 » by GQ Hot Dog » Thu Oct 13, 2022 3:34 pm

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GQ Hot Dog wrote:I don't know why half this board is so cynical about Draymond. I take him at his word that he knows he ef'd up. I think he's capable of understanding that he can't live his life throwing punches in response to confrontation. I think the vast majority of people are capable of coming to that conclusion. If you don't think so, it says more about you and the personal limitations you put on yourself than it does about Draymond.


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I don't recall a history of Draymond punching anyone or getting in fights. Help me out.
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Post#606 » by The-Power » Thu Oct 13, 2022 3:48 pm

GQ Hot Dog wrote:I don't recall a history of Draymond punching anyone or getting in fights. Help me out.

He has been sued for / accused of assault at least twice during the past off-seasons and there are a number of instances I recall where he gets into heated arguments with people outside of basketball (throwing popcorn at fans at a football match, altercation with Tristan Thompson at a night club, getting into it with college football players this off-season). So it's not exactly out-of-character what he did here even if he may not have done exactly what he did to Poole.
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Post#608 » by sonnyhill » Thu Oct 13, 2022 4:01 pm

KD shares his perspective... very-balanced...

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Kevin Durant says Draymond Green punch won't derail Warriors
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MILWAUKEE -- Kevin Durant knows some of the parallels are there.

From a distance, the Brooklyn Nets' star forward has watched -- like everybody else -- the leaked video footage of Draymond Green punching Golden State Warriors teammate Jordan Poole during practice. The defending champion Warriors' locker room has been hurt by the incident -- and the fact that it became public.

At the beginning of the 2018-19 season, an incident between then-Warriors teammates Durant and Green had a similar type of impact within the framework of the organization -- a verbal disagreement that got more heated at the end of a game in early November -- which carried over into the locker room and threatened to derail the team's camaraderie.

Durant and Green ultimately healed their relationship, and the Warriors went about their business, something they're trying to do again almost four years later in the wake of this latest episode. But as Durant watches the process unfold, he sees a stark difference between then and now.

"That's not the same situation," Durant told ESPN. "Somebody got punched in the face ... It's no comparison to that. It was just some words that being -- I heard people say that that happens a lot in the NBA. I had never seen nothing like that before. But what me and Draymond did a few years back, that s--- happens all the time. So it's easy to get through something like that, but I don't know what this situation is like."

Durant, who played for the Warriors for three seasons and won NBA championships and NBA Finals MVPs in 2017 and 2018, said he has not spoken to Green, who is taking some time away from the team.

Although Durant and Poole, who was drafted by the Warriors in 2019, never crossed paths as Golden State teammates, they have built up a bit of a relationship thanks to their shared relationship with multiple members of the Warriors coaching staff. Durant noted, however, that his friendship with Poole is not "to the point where I can text him or call him and talk to him about it."

"It seems cool, everybody's back to normal," Durant said. "Draymond is playing next game, Jordan was playing last game. So I guess it's back to normal. Anything around our sport that doesn't just involve the game of basketball -- once it gets to that type of stuff, I try to stay away from it. It has nothing to do with anybody else but those people in the locker room."

While the clear difference is that Durant and Green never exchanged punches during their 2018 verbal exchange, the tenor of the disagreement hovered over everything the Warriors organization did in the ensuing days and weeks.

Durant and Green patched up their disagreement much quicker than they were given credit for, but the intensity of the incident, along with the uncertainty surrounding Durant's pending free agency, hung over Warriors players and coaches all season.

Now, the Warriors have to overcome the same type of internal strife.

Knowing the inner workings of that particular locker room, Durant is confident the Warriors will find a way to overcome the latest setback. Stephen Curry is universally respected inside and outside the organization for his calming demeanor and ability to unite his group when times are tough, and Durant knows that what makes the Warriors great as an organization is their ability to draw on leadership from a variety of different levels.

"I think the best thing about the Warriors is their mantra's been 'Strength in Numbers' that whole time," Durant said. "And it's always been a collaborative effort with everybody there. So Steph is not alone in trying to gather everybody. I'm sure Andre [Iguodala] is helping him. I'm sure Bob [Myers] and Shaun [Livingston] and Klay [Thompson] and just the guys that have been there are helping him as well.

"So you can't deal with something like that by yourself. Steph knows that, Bob knows that. I know that from being a part of that group, that they do everything as a collaborative effort, so I'm sure they're all talking internally as a group to see what's the best way to move forward."

Durant said that, during a decade and a half in the NBA, he can't remember seeing another player getting punched like Poole was.

"It's rare," Durant said. "It's rare. I've been in the league 16 years, and I've never seen that until the other day on camera. You hear about it with MJ and you hear about it with Bobby Portis, but there's nothing that's happening every year. It's very rare that something like that happens.

"It's none of our business. But it happened to be part of our daily conversation because we've seen the videos. We've all got our opinions, but to be honest, mine's don't matter. It is what it is."

Durant's current teammate, Kyrie Irving, said he had seen similar kinds of incidents throughout his time in the game, including on the NBA level.

"I'm used to it," Irving told ESPN. "I'm used to everything in basketball. ... I'm used to everything in sports. I'm used to everything. There's not any damn surprise for the most part. I've seen it with my dad [former professional player Drederick] as a kid, I've seen it in NBA locker rooms. Men, when it comes to this game, are very passionate, especially in our league. And when emotions rise like that, anything can happen.

"The No. 1 thing is protect yourself at all times. But as a teammate for Jordan -- he's a good kid -- we don't expect things like that to happen. And when you see something like that, you feel for a brother because it's like that feeling of empathy of 'If I'm in that moment, what do I do?' And we don't know because we're not Jordan, we're not Draymond. I pray that Draymond gets what he needs and JP comes back and stays focused and doesn't allow anything to distract him."

Durant acknowledged that Green's punch has been a topic of conversation within the Nets locker room, just as it has throughout the NBA since the video was leaked last week.

"We can't say we haven't talked about that," Durant said. "That wouldn't be genuine. I think everybody, that was a conversation in everybody's locker room. But what does me exposing that, how does it help the story at all? So we'll keep that to our little conversations in here, just like they're going to keep whatever they're doing under wraps in Golden State."

Durant, who has rebuilt his relationship with Green over time and won a gold medal with him last summer at the Tokyo Olympics, is hoping that his former team can move past its latest jarring experience, but he made it clear several times when asked about the Warriors' proceedings that "it's none of my business."

"I know that group," Durant said. "That's a strong group, tight-knit group. And I just hate to see that be seen in the public, what's going on in practices and stuff. But hopefully they get that figured out and we can move forward."
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Post#609 » by Impuniti » Thu Oct 13, 2022 4:05 pm

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Separately, I echo what CPH is saying above. I care about what the victim, Poole, thinks and what the team thinks most. Dragging this out with a long suspension that includes questions every game etc. and punishes the team/Poole doesn't seem to be what Poole/the team want and I'm fine with that.

I also hope someone has reached Draymond and convinced him to seek some counseling on better ways to handle his emotions. It's not just this incident, you could see at times in the Finals that his emotions got the best of him.

If Draymond can control his emotions better he can be the guy that triggers the other team without piling up techs and making dumb swings at teammates. That's the only way he can stay here for the rest of his career. It seems unlikely at this point, but it absolutely is possible.

If Draymond can control his emotions better is what we've been saying since the 15-16 season. Why can't fans accept reality that this is who he is as a person, and he isn't growing up or changing a few years before his career ends? :lol:
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Post#610 » by GQ Hot Dog » Thu Oct 13, 2022 4:13 pm

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GQ Hot Dog wrote:I don't recall a history of Draymond punching anyone or getting in fights. Help me out.

He has been sued for / accused of assault at least twice during the past off-seasons and there are a number of instances I recall where he gets into heated arguments with people outside of basketball (throwing popcorn at fans at a football match, altercation with Tristan Thompson at a night club, getting into it with college football players this off-season). So it's not exactly out-of-character what he did here even if he may not have done exactly what he did to Poole.


Pretty thin gruel. Alcohol fueled nights out at the club are regrettable but not unusual for many NBA players and not anything like getting in a fight on court or during practice. Draymond is loud and brash but has never engaged in the sort of on-court fights associated with other hotheads like Laimbeer, Rodman, Artest or Marcus Morris.
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Post#611 » by DonaldSanders » Thu Oct 13, 2022 4:19 pm

Impuniti wrote:If Draymond can control his emotions better is what we've been saying since the 15-16 season. Why can't fans accept reality that this is who he is as a person, and he isn't growing up or changing a few years before his career ends? :lol:


:lol: Well yeah, that's why he would have to go to counseling in order to change. He isn't doing it on his own, that's for damn sure. I don't think he would 180 as a person but we all can learn to control our temper a bit and be more mindful.
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Post#612 » by Chris Porter's Hair » Thu Oct 13, 2022 4:58 pm

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Impuniti wrote:If Draymond can control his emotions better is what we've been saying since the 15-16 season. Why can't fans accept reality that this is who he is as a person, and he isn't growing up or changing a few years before his career ends? :lol:


:lol: Well yeah, that's why he would have to go to counseling in order to change. He isn't doing it on his own, that's for damn sure. I don't think he would 180 as a person but we all can learn to control our temper a bit and be more mindful.

Exactly. If Draymond says he's going to try harder, that's nice, but I have no faith anything will change. That's why I mentioned hoping he gets professional help. We have ample evidence he can't change this on his own, just by trying harder.
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Post#613 » by The-Power » Thu Oct 13, 2022 6:05 pm

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GQ Hot Dog wrote:I don't recall a history of Draymond punching anyone or getting in fights. Help me out.

He has been sued for / accused of assault at least twice during the past off-seasons and there are a number of instances I recall where he gets into heated arguments with people outside of basketball (throwing popcorn at fans at a football match, altercation with Tristan Thompson at a night club, getting into it with college football players this off-season). So it's not exactly out-of-character what he did here even if he may not have done exactly what he did to Poole.


Pretty thin gruel. Alcohol fueled nights out at the club are regrettable but not unusual for many NBA players and not anything like getting in a fight on court or during practice. Draymond is loud and brash but has never engaged in the sort of on-court fights associated with other hotheads like Laimbeer, Rodman, Artest or Marcus Morris.

As I wrote, he may not have done exactly the same thing before. But when you look at everything Draymond has done on and off the court, I don't think anyone should be shocked that he's capable of completely losing his cool and becoming physically aggressive or abusive (even if what happened was worse than most of us may have imagined). It's much harder to imagine guys like Steph, Klay, Looney, Wiggins, Iguodala or Poole resorting to violence and aggression, isn't it?
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Post#614 » by Old_Blue » Thu Oct 13, 2022 6:24 pm

The-Power wrote:
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The-Power wrote:He has been sued for / accused of assault at least twice during the past off-seasons and there are a number of instances I recall where he gets into heated arguments with people outside of basketball (throwing popcorn at fans at a football match, altercation with Tristan Thompson at a night club, getting into it with college football players this off-season). So it's not exactly out-of-character what he did here even if he may not have done exactly what he did to Poole.


Pretty thin gruel. Alcohol fueled nights out at the club are regrettable but not unusual for many NBA players and not anything like getting in a fight on court or during practice. Draymond is loud and brash but has never engaged in the sort of on-court fights associated with other hotheads like Laimbeer, Rodman, Artest or Marcus Morris.

As I wrote, he may not have done exactly the same thing before. But when you look at everything Draymond has done on and off the court, I don't think anyone should be shocked that he's capable of completely losing his cool and becoming physically aggressive or abusive (even if what happened was worse than most of us may have imagined). It's much harder to imagine guys like Steph, Klay, Looney, Wiggins, Iguodala or Poole resorting to violence and aggression, isn't it?


Sucker punching Poole isn't even the worst act of violence Draymond has committed while with the Warriors...

https://www.knbr.com/2016/07/13/tmz-obtains-draymond-police-report-victim-has-different-story-of-assault/

Edmondson told police he was hanging out with his girlfriend when Green bumped into him. Edmondson says he told Green, “Hey bro, you can at least say ‘Excuse me.'”

Green allegedly responded by saying, “Do you know who I am?” … and added, “I pay for n**gas like you scholarships.”

Edmondson says 2 of Green’s associates then began to choke him out right in the bar. He later noticed that Green’s associates choked his girlfriend as well.

Edmondson says he and his GF left the bar without contacting police — and returned to the bar scene the next day to celebrate his birthday.

That’s when he ran into Green again — and was confronted by the NBA star. Edmondson says he told Green that “last night wasn’t cool” and Green started to poke him in the shoulder.

Edmondson says he told Green to take his hands off him — and that’s when “boom I’m punched in my jaw.”


Draymond's arrest mugshots from the incident...Would you be smiling?

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Post#615 » by DonaldSanders » Thu Oct 13, 2022 6:44 pm

Don't get too carried away with what someone says about a drunken bar fight. Could be true, could not be, who knows.

Draymond does get involved in a lot of immature dumb stuff though.
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Post#616 » by Sleepy51 » Thu Oct 13, 2022 6:45 pm

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Post#617 » by a8bil » Thu Oct 13, 2022 6:53 pm

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The-Power wrote:
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Pretty thin gruel. Alcohol fueled nights out at the club are regrettable but not unusual for many NBA players and not anything like getting in a fight on court or during practice. Draymond is loud and brash but has never engaged in the sort of on-court fights associated with other hotheads like Laimbeer, Rodman, Artest or Marcus Morris.

As I wrote, he may not have done exactly the same thing before. But when you look at everything Draymond has done on and off the court, I don't think anyone should be shocked that he's capable of completely losing his cool and becoming physically aggressive or abusive (even if what happened was worse than most of us may have imagined). It's much harder to imagine guys like Steph, Klay, Looney, Wiggins, Iguodala or Poole resorting to violence and aggression, isn't it?


Sucker punching Poole isn't even the worst act of violence Draymond has committed while with the Warriors...

https://www.knbr.com/2016/07/13/tmz-obtains-draymond-police-report-victim-has-different-story-of-assault/

Edmondson told police he was hanging out with his girlfriend when Green bumped into him. Edmondson says he told Green, “Hey bro, you can at least say ‘Excuse me.'”

Green allegedly responded by saying, “Do you know who I am?” … and added, “I pay for n**gas like you scholarships.”

Edmondson says 2 of Green’s associates then began to choke him out right in the bar. He later noticed that Green’s associates choked his girlfriend as well.

Edmondson says he and his GF left the bar without contacting police — and returned to the bar scene the next day to celebrate his birthday.

That’s when he ran into Green again — and was confronted by the NBA star. Edmondson says he told Green that “last night wasn’t cool” and Green started to poke him in the shoulder.

Edmondson says he told Green to take his hands off him — and that’s when “boom I’m punched in my jaw.”


Draymond's arrest mugshots from the incident...Would you be smiling?

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Wow...sounds familiar? An abrupt and seemingly unjustified escalation of a situation by Draymond punching someone? I was always taught that if a fight was going to happen, go first and go hard, but I was also taught, try to avoid fights at all costs. Seems like Dray was taught the first lesson but not the second.
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Post#618 » by Big J » Thu Oct 13, 2022 6:53 pm

I fear for Hazel & Draymond junior. We saw the Ben Gordon stuff this week. People with anger issues need to be watched very closely.
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Post#619 » by wco81 » Thu Oct 13, 2022 7:23 pm

As someone pointed, out, there is a macho street culture. Saginaw, MI apparently has that.

People think it's funny, the saying "**** around and find out." Like do or say something that offends others and the person deserves to be beaten up or worse.

Draymond's mother seems to buy into that mindset, which seems to be more a thing in urban midwestern cities versus the rural south, where religion may have a greater influence.
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Post#620 » by GQ Hot Dog » Thu Oct 13, 2022 9:11 pm

Big J wrote:I fear for Hazel & Draymond junior. We saw the Ben Gordon stuff this week. People with anger issues need to be watched very closely.


Ridiculous. And the rest of your post was just personal attack. Knock it off.
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