mojo13 wrote:We've assumed that shipped sailed for Canada a long time ago. It is much more lucrative for Long to get his Greek passport and play for Greece now that his future is in Europe (same with Brazdeikis). Both are pretty far down the list of players that would make a full turnout Team Canada (if that ever happened) anyways. They'd be nice for the WC Qualfier games, but we never seem to get the release for EuroLeague players (or really need them).
You really think Long would replace Dorsey if both were avaialabe for the World Cup?
I suspect Long will play soon as Doresy likley becomes much less avaialbe as he heads back to the USA to make another run at the NBA. Certainly they are trying to get Long to fill in for the WC Qualfiers if possible. Canada is becoming quite the exporter of basketball talent to impoverished European nations.

But Doresy seemed the only consistant offense besides Giannis in Eurobasket (Sloukas was decent too). Greece would be so quick to toss him aside for a (so far) unproven Long? You once wrote here how inconsequential of a player Naz Long was - I guess you've changed your mind.
And don't forget Calathes as a dispora player...who would be naturalized under FIBA current rules, but since he was playing for Greece before FIBA updated their rules he is grandfather in.
No wonder the Greek coach has to coach in English. It was funny listening to that in timeouts during EuroBasket. For all the stink Greeks like to make about other countries naturalizing players - they are among the worst offensders per FIBA rules.
And with Zach Auguste, maybe he is not good enough to make Greece (you'd know better) but I'm pretty sure he is naturalized too (per FIBA) and couldn't play anyways for Greece if Dorsey (or Long played).
Long wouldn't be available for the World Cup qualifiers.
There were clarifications on Koufos and Calathes. They don't count as naturalized players because they were registered by their families as Greeks at time of birth. They therefore qualified as having been citizens before age 16.
With that being said, let's play Devil's Advocate, and assume that maybe they did count as "naturalized". It doesn't matter, because they both are pretty useless players.
The only reason Calathes has stayed in the team is because of the politics involved from the Panathinaikos club (they ran the Greek federation up until a year ago). But now he has been away from that club for a long time, and they no longer control the federation. The current coach of the national team does however have a strong connection to Panathinaikos, and is also a friend of Calathes. But even that in for Calathes is getting really thin. Simply because, he plays absolutely terrible in every single FIBA tournament. Only now, it's to the level of being a joke.
Nick Calathes is completely washed up, and he's never had a good FIBA tournament, even when he was younger. And he's a disaster playing with Giannis, because they are both such awful shooters. At some point, all of the political reasons that kept him in the national team have definitely run out, if they have not already.
Kosta Koufos - it doesn't matter with him either, because he's such a terrible player. He is signed right now with London in the EuroCup, but I see no chance for him to be in the national team. He spent two years in EuroLeague, playing with CSKA and Olympiacos....he was absolutely ridiculously bad. He was the 3rd string center for both teams, but he wasn't even good enough to be the 3rd string center. Both teams cut him, due to poor play, for not even being up to the level of being a 3rd string center. That's how bad he was. So for him to make Greece's national team, there would have to be a whole bunch of injuries at the center spot.
Zach Auguste was a scrub in EuroLeague with Panathinaikos. In two seasons, he never managed to be more than a 3rd string center. He was also horrible whenever he played with Greece's national team. He got cut from the Greek training camp before EuroBasket '17. In the prep games, he looked awful. He's one of the worst defenders you could ever imagine at the center spot. I would say that he has no shot at making any Greek national team, unless like Koufos, there were a whole bunch of injuries at the center spot.
Tyler Dorsey - Why wouldn't Greece replace him with Mitrou-Long? Have you ever seen Dorsey play? He can't do anything except shoot 3s. Nothing else. He's supposed to be a combo guard.....yet he can't pass, he can't dribble, he can't run pick and roll, he can't run an offense, he can't create for others, he can't create for himself, he isn't a scorer except for shooting jumpers.....
He has had 3 seasons in EuroLeague with Maccabi and Olympiacos, and has totally proven that he's a below average (at best scenario) EuroLeague player. Best scenario as in, he's a below average player IF he's making 3s. If he is missing outside shots, then he's a complete scrub and actually a huge minus to any team he is on (0 offense and 0 defense).
Olympiacos put him at 2 guard, and put him in the Spanoulis sets.....and he was completely incapable of scoring or assisting. He ended up as just a shooter, and since his skills are so lacking for a guard, they had to use him as 3. His defense is also atrocious. He can't guard anyone.
He's had several stints with Greece's national team, and shown he can do nothing but shoot 3s. EuroBasket '22 was his big chance to do something, as the coach gave him the green light to fire any shot he wanted, whenever he wanted, and he was playing at the same time with Giannis. The defense sagging on Giannis opened up tons of open shots and lanes for Dorsey, and he still was a huge bust. He had 2 games where he hit shots, and couldn't after that. He was a useless player on offense, and horrendously bad on defense.
Just to put this into proper context, the players Dorsey in essence replaced in Greece's team (Nikos Zisis / Vassilis Spanoulis) -
Zisis used to average like 10 a game, when the defense never left him open, and he would get trapped whenever he had the ball. Spanoulis was averaging like 15-20 a game, when he was double and triple teamed by basically every single opponent, and often they had 1-2 spy defenders added to that. Dorsey......he averaged 14
being left unguarded for most of the tournament.........and on top of that, Zisis and Spanoulis ran the offense and created basically all of the team's offense and scoring and assists. Dorsey cannot play make and cannot run an offense. He's light years of a worse and less talented player than the guys he replaced.
Giannoulis Larentzakis, Greece's other 2 guard, is much better than Dorsey, and even all the announcers at EuroBasket were saying it. The coach finally also figured it out by the end of the tournament too. Dorsey got a lot of hype from Greek media and the federation, because he had a big tournament with Greece at the under-19 world cup. Because of that, he was placed into some kind of imaginary pedestal that he never belonged on.
But after he played with Olympiacos and at EuroBasket, everyone now knows how very limited he is as an offensive player, and how bad he is at defense. He's only a good 3 point shooter, that's it. He offers zero of anything else, and he's a completely useless player if his shot is not falling. If Mitrou-Long is not significantly better than Dorsey as a player, then coach Messina has lost his mind to have signed him to a big contract.
All Greece needs is a good shooter at 2 guard, that can also actually play basketball and defend, to split the 40 minutes of playing time along with Larentzakis, and they are good at that position. Dorsey isn't good enough to fill that role. Hell, even Michael Bramos, that spent almost his whole career in EuroCup, was a way better player for Greece than Dorsey was, in the same role. I mean like, way better.
Mitrou-Long doesn't have to be some great player to replace Dorsey and take such a role. He doesn't have to even be a good EuroLeague player. Mitrou-Long hasn't even played a minute in EuroLeague yet, and it honestly doesn't even matter. Dorsey is a scrub.