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Post#641 » by Crazy-Canuck » Fri Oct 14, 2022 5:10 am

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Crazy-Canuck wrote:People still measuring dray by his ppg?



Apparently the GMs who sign free agents do.

Do you think another team will offer him more than what his current contract is?

They might for one or two years, maybe a team option in year 3.

But I don't see him getting anything like 3 years $80 million or more fully guaranteed.

Certainly not 4 years fully guaranteed for $120 or even $110 million. His current deal was 4 years $100 million with fourth year a player option.

Think of teams which give out bad contracts or may think he could help them.

Do the Pistons give him at least 3 years $80 million fully guaranteed?

Do the Lakers?

Do the Trailblazers?

Do the Clippers?

Do the Heat?

Of these teams I believe only Pistons and Lakers are likely to have cap space after this season for that kind of contract.



Dray wont get a bigger contract because of age, not because he cant score.
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Post#643 » by Old_Blue » Fri Oct 14, 2022 5:13 am

A lot of interesting stuff here. Anthony Slater discusses...

(1.36) Comparisons between the Draymond / Poole situation and the Draymond / KD situation
(3.45) Draymond to the Lakers rumors
(8.35) How seriously the Warriors entertained suspending Draymond
(10.15) Poole's position regarding the incident
(13.35) Poole extension talks
(21.40) Wiggins extension talks
(23.55) Whether Wiseman is primed for a breakout year
(26.25) Integrating other youngsters into the rotation
(29.00) Klay extension talks

https://open.spotify.com/episode/0qT5emmznAQaoDhiQ08bfi
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Post#644 » by The-Power » Fri Oct 14, 2022 5:57 am

Haven't listened to Draymond's most recent press conference because I can't stomach hearing him talk right now, but from the bits and pieces that were quoted from it, it does not seem like he feels any genuine remorse, is willing to take full accountability for his actions, and can handle the current contract situation going forward (which, in his mind, may serve as an excuse to blame the FO for problems that he causes – which would not be the first time, see the blame he and KD put on the FO for how they handled the altercation with KD).

If he's not on his absolute best behavior now, I hope they trade him – mid-season if necessary – even if that hurts our chances to compete for a title. I don't want to be rooting for a guy who constantly misbehaves and yet will not make any genuine effort to hold himself accountable and change for the better, and instead continues to be passive-aggressive or outright aggressive when things don't go his way. The apology was cringeworthy already, and from what I caught of his most recent press conference, it was even worse this time.
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Post#645 » by SpreeS » Fri Oct 14, 2022 6:10 am

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Post#646 » by Old_Blue » Fri Oct 14, 2022 7:29 am

The-Power wrote:If he's not on his absolute best behavior now, I hope they trade him – mid-season if necessary – even if that hurts our chances to compete for a title. I don't want to be rooting for a guy who constantly misbehaves and yet will not make any genuine effort to hold himself accountable and change for the better, and instead continues to be passive-aggressive or outright aggressive when things don't go his way. The apology was cringeworthy already, and from what I caught of his most recent press conference, it was even worse this time.


How would you define "absolute best behavior?" I ask because it's Draymond we're talking about and if you set the bar even moderately high you're pretty much guaranteed a suboptimal degree of satisfaction. :D
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Post#647 » by Coxy » Fri Oct 14, 2022 8:41 am

SpreeS wrote:"The Last Dance" coming and I am ok with it


This sounds quite spot on for me as well. Good call.
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Post#648 » by Zvaart » Fri Oct 14, 2022 8:49 am

The-Power wrote:Haven't listened to Draymond's most recent press conference because I can't stomach hearing him talk right now, but from the bits and pieces that were quoted from it, it does not seem like he feels any genuine remorse, is willing to take full accountability for his actions, and can handle the current contract situation going forward (which, in his mind, may serve as an excuse to blame the FO for problems that he causes – which would not be the first time, see the blame he and KD put on the FO for how they handled the altercation with KD).

If he's not on his absolute best behavior now, I hope they trade him – mid-season if necessary – even if that hurts our chances to compete for a title. I don't want to be rooting for a guy who constantly misbehaves and yet will not make any genuine effort to hold himself accountable and change for the better, and instead continues to be passive-aggressive or outright aggressive when things don't go his way. The apology was cringeworthy already, and from what I caught of his most recent press conference, it was even worse this time.


I listened to the first 25 minutes and it did not seem he is honestly sorry, he danced around the subject a lot, talked about family, leadership, perception of his act, winning, he seemed to apologize more to everybody and their mother than to Jordan. i still think his mind is not where it needs to be, and i don't know if it will ever be, he sounds more and more full of himself and his greatness by the hour than everything around pales by comparison.

this is just how i feel watching him. he is full of bull.
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Post#649 » by Romulus » Fri Oct 14, 2022 8:51 am

The-Power wrote:Haven't listened to Draymond's most recent press conference because I can't stomach hearing him talk right now, but from the bits and pieces that were quoted from it, it does not seem like he feels any genuine remorse, is willing to take full accountability for his actions, and can handle the current contract situation going forward (which, in his mind, may serve as an excuse to blame the FO for problems that he causes – which would not be the first time, see the blame he and KD put on the FO for how they handled the altercation with KD).

If he's not on his absolute best behavior now, I hope they trade him – mid-season if necessary – even if that hurts our chances to compete for a title. I don't want to be rooting for a guy who constantly misbehaves and yet will not make any genuine effort to hold himself accountable and change for the better, and instead continues to be passive-aggressive or outright aggressive when things don't go his way. The apology was cringeworthy already, and from what I caught of his most recent press conference, it was even worse this time.


Same here -- can't stomach watching the press conference. Just seeing and hearing his voice makes me ill at the moment. Why is he even talking? I mean, Poole has been as silent as the grave and yet there's Draymond just talking and talking. The clip of him saying he doesn't understand people using the word trust? I mean, really? He doesn't get how Looney and the rest of the team feels he's going to have to earn their trust back?

And then I saw the clip where he talked about having a lingering contract issue and how that can cause issues? Is that a threat that he's going to cause more trouble unless he signs a deal?

This guy is no leader; he's a fraud. I think all the young guys on the team realize it. A roster that's very likely divided at the moment.

Also, he again mentioned Lebron. Geez. He does seem to want to wind up in LA, doesn't he. Question I have, what would be a doable trade with the Lakers that would actually help the Warriors?

I can think of several guys I'd like to have on that team but I don't know what it would take in order to make salaries match. Anyone have a suggestion for trade between the two teams?

I'm just sick of the guy and ready to move on. Honestly, Draymond was very inconsistent in last year's playoffs (seemed more interested in his podcast). If they keep Draymond I really think he'll do more harm than good -- he's just that type of guy when he's unhappy and he'll be if he doesn't get a new contract.
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Re: Draymond Green striking Jordan Poole at practice 

Post#650 » by Crazy-Canuck » Fri Oct 14, 2022 11:04 am

Old_Blue wrote:A lot of interesting stuff here. Anthony Slater discusses...

(1.36) Comparisons between the Draymond / Poole situation and the Draymond / KD situation
(3.45) Draymond to the Lakers rumors
(8.35) How seriously the Warriors entertained suspending Draymond
(10.15) Poole's position regarding the incident
(13.35) Poole extension talks
(21.40) Wiggins extension talks
(23.55) Whether Wiseman is primed for a breakout year
(26.25) Integrating other youngsters into the rotation
(29.00) Klay extension talks

https://open.spotify.com/episode/0qT5emmznAQaoDhiQ08bfi


Sounds like dray and wiggs could both walk and poole gets a 4/125 type deal.
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Post#651 » by Crazy-Canuck » Fri Oct 14, 2022 11:07 am

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The-Power wrote:Haven't listened to Draymond's most recent press conference because I can't stomach hearing him talk right now, but from the bits and pieces that were quoted from it, it does not seem like he feels any genuine remorse, is willing to take full accountability for his actions, and can handle the current contract situation going forward (which, in his mind, may serve as an excuse to blame the FO for problems that he causes – which would not be the first time, see the blame he and KD put on the FO for how they handled the altercation with KD).

If he's not on his absolute best behavior now, I hope they trade him – mid-season if necessary – even if that hurts our chances to compete for a title. I don't want to be rooting for a guy who constantly misbehaves and yet will not make any genuine effort to hold himself accountable and change for the better, and instead continues to be passive-aggressive or outright aggressive when things don't go his way. The apology was cringeworthy already, and from what I caught of his most recent press conference, it was even worse this time.


Same here -- can't stomach watching the press conference. Just seeing and hearing his voice makes me ill at the moment. Why is he even talking? I mean, Poole has been as silent as the grave and yet there's Draymond just talking and talking. The clip of him saying he doesn't understand people using the word trust? I mean, really? He doesn't get how Looney and the rest of the team feels he's going to have to earn their trust back?

And then I saw the clip where he talked about having a lingering contract issue and how that can cause issues? Is that a threat that he's going to cause more trouble unless he signs a deal?

This guy is no leader; he's a fraud. I think all the young guys on the team realize it. A roster that's very likely divided at the moment.

Also, he again mentioned Lebron. Geez. He does seem to want to wind up in LA, doesn't he. Question I have, what would be a doable trade with the Lakers that would actually help the Warriors?

I can think of several guys I'd like to have on that team but I don't know what it would take in order to make salaries match. Anyone have a suggestion for trade between the two teams?

I'm just sick of the guy and ready to move on. Honestly, Draymond was very inconsistent in last year's playoffs (seemed more interested in his podcast). If they keep Draymond I really think he'll do more harm than good -- he's just that type of guy when he's unhappy and he'll be if he doesn't get a new contract.



He's not name dropping bron/lakers without reason. That's as good a plan as dray could ask for should he not be in gs.

And they will have money with westbrook expiring.
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Post#652 » by Sleepy51 » Fri Oct 14, 2022 3:29 pm

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That was last year. Cut bait with him now and get him out of the way of the 2nd timeline. Curry and Kerr can bring these guys along fast enough to either contend as a unit, or trade assets for a high quality piece to take draymond's place.

He's not really a fraud, he WAS a leader of sorts and a competitor (with volatile focus and selfish outbursts.) But now, he seems mentally cooked. Whatever it took for him to maintain the positive leadership attributes he had is waning. And that bad back is soon to follow. Don't get left holding this bag of excrement.
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Post#653 » by KevinMcreynolds » Fri Oct 14, 2022 3:51 pm

Old_Blue wrote:Is Draymond actually thinking of picking up his option for next year? If so, that would give the Warriors some trade flexibility.

"My general view of my future here, is I'm here this year trying to win a championship," Green said. "I have a contract that ranges through next year, if I so choose to pick up that option, and that is my view of how it'll be here. We all have a goal to win a championship, and that is that."

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Post#654 » by KevinMcreynolds » Fri Oct 14, 2022 3:54 pm

Both his press conferences were trash. No accountability at all.
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Post#655 » by Chris Porter's Hair » Fri Oct 14, 2022 3:58 pm

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Ridiculous. And the rest of your post was just personal attack. Knock it off.



The rest of it? That's a fabrication.

The attempt to cast Draymond alongside the likes of the criminal Trump and the bipolar Ben Gordon is the grossest and most preposterous hyperbole.

Those claiming as much and those protecting them through censorship should be ashamed.

Then talk about that instead of attacking the poster. Or report the original comment if you think it violates terms. Or leave. Or get yourself disciplined for violating the terms. Those are pretty much the choices.
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Post#656 » by GQ Hot Dog » Fri Oct 14, 2022 4:11 pm

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The-Power wrote:Haven't listened to Draymond's most recent press conference because I can't stomach hearing him talk right now, but from the bits and pieces that were quoted from it, it does not seem like he feels any genuine remorse, is willing to take full accountability for his actions, and can handle the current contract situation going forward (which, in his mind, may serve as an excuse to blame the FO for problems that he causes – which would not be the first time, see the blame he and KD put on the FO for how they handled the altercation with KD).

If he's not on his absolute best behavior now, I hope they trade him – mid-season if necessary – even if that hurts our chances to compete for a title. I don't want to be rooting for a guy who constantly misbehaves and yet will not make any genuine effort to hold himself accountable and change for the better, and instead continues to be passive-aggressive or outright aggressive when things don't go his way. The apology was cringeworthy already, and from what I caught of his most recent press conference, it was even worse this time.


Same here -- can't stomach watching the press conference. Just seeing and hearing his voice makes me ill at the moment. Why is he even talking? I mean, Poole has been as silent as the grave and yet there's Draymond just talking and talking. The clip of him saying he doesn't understand people using the word trust? I mean, really? He doesn't get how Looney and the rest of the team feels he's going to have to earn their trust back?

And then I saw the clip where he talked about having a lingering contract issue and how that can cause issues? Is that a threat that he's going to cause more trouble unless he signs a deal?

This guy is no leader; he's a fraud. I think all the young guys on the team realize it. A roster that's very likely divided at the moment.

Also, he again mentioned Lebron. Geez. He does seem to want to wind up in LA, doesn't he. Question I have, what would be a doable trade with the Lakers that would actually help the Warriors?

I can think of several guys I'd like to have on that team but I don't know what it would take in order to make salaries match. Anyone have a suggestion for trade between the two teams?

I'm just sick of the guy and ready to move on. Honestly, Draymond was very inconsistent in last year's playoffs (seemed more interested in his podcast). If they keep Draymond I really think he'll do more harm than good -- he's just that type of guy when he's unhappy and he'll be if he doesn't get a new contract.



He's not name dropping bron/lakers without reason. That's as good a plan as dray could ask for should he not be in gs.

And they will have money with westbrook expiring.


I understood his Lebron and Curry contract name drop differently. They are two parts of the current(or prior) triumvirate of championship superstars, the third being KD. Draymond mentioned the first two without mentioning the third because he is still litigating his beef with KD from KD's final season.

Draymond's stance has always been that his beef with KD was that KD wouldn't discuss his impending FA with his teammates. Draymond wanted either a commitment that KD would re-sign or an admission that he was going to want to go elsewhere but KD refused to speak on it. KD treated his teammates the same way he treated the media and public by not divulging and that infuriated Draymond. In Draymond's mind it hung like a cloud over the locker room and hurt team morale.

And it seems like it did indeed hurt team morale. KD was withdrawn and distant from the team compared to the prior two seasons, it made that season more difficult and the team was arguably the worst version of itself that season. Kerr, Myers and David West have all alluded to it.

But KD still had every right to keep mum, he doesn't owe anyone, including his teammates, an explanation even if it does hurt team chemistry. And every Warrior, so far as I can tell, respected that except for Draymond.

Fast forward to today and Draymond is frustrated he's not getting the attention from the FO regarding a new contract that he thinks he deserves. To make matters worse, they're openly giving that attention to Poole regarding his extension. Which is making Poole downright giddy, doing his little dances and shimmies, flashing that Billy Dee Williams smile everywhere and it all serves to infuriate Draymond and understandably so. Draymond is jealous. It's not justifiable that he's jealous, but from an emotional standpoint, it's understandable.

I suspect this is what the punch was all about. Draymond snapped because he's jealous and Poole didn't have the sense of decorum to contain his glee at being on the cusp of getting what Draymond wants. And I get that too, Poole's a kid about to get paid generational money, it would be tough for anyone to contain that excitement. The onus is fully on Draymond to contain his irritation. But he didn't, he messed up and I suspect all this was talked about in detail between him and Poole with Steph in the roll of therapist, walking them through their emotions.

And in that context everything Draymond said makes perfect sense. He's not technically jealous of Poole's bag, he absolutely wants Poole to get his and thinks he deserves every dollar of it. He's upset that he's not getting paid what he feels he deserves while others are.

His last press conference indicated to me that he's accepted all that and is in the right headspace to deal with it. He's grudgingly accepted that he needs to go out and play a great season to get what he wants and at the end of the day he might not get it from the Warriors. Him talking about Lebron and Steph was him saying, like those guys, he wasn't going to let his contract dissatisfaction get in the way of him being a great teammate in contrast to KD who handled his impending free agency poorly...at least according to Draymond's thinking.

So I think the result of all of this is essentially positive because provided Draymond can keep his eyes on the prize, which is a great season from him and another trophy, Draymond will get paid in some way approaching what he feels he deserves.
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Post#657 » by GQ Hot Dog » Fri Oct 14, 2022 4:12 pm

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Ridiculous. And the rest of your post was just personal attack. Knock it off.



The rest of it? That's a fabrication.

The attempt to cast Draymond alongside the likes of the criminal Trump and the bipolar Ben Gordon is the grossest and most preposterous hyperbole.

Those claiming as much and those protecting them through censorship should be ashamed.

Then talk about that instead of attacking the poster. Or report the original comment if you think it violates terms. Or leave. Or get yourself disciplined for violating the terms. Those are pretty much the choices.


He knows what he did. Old news. Move on.
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Post#658 » by GunnerWRX » Fri Oct 14, 2022 4:19 pm

I didn’t like him as much as many did before everything.

Right now, I don’t dislike him as much as others either.

He is who he is. Someone you wouldn’t want around you or your family. We only tried to find ways to like him because he helped us win.

I wanted him to never wear another team’s uniform.

Right now, I am still ok with him if he can help us win. If not, my mind set is I still want him to not wear another team’s uniform, but if he is traded, I wouldn’t mind as much.
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Post#659 » by Old_Blue » Fri Oct 14, 2022 4:48 pm

One thing Draymond might not be prepared for is the fact that this story did not circulate merely among basketball fans. Rather, it went mainstream in a way that few sports stories ever do. As a result, nearly everyone saw the video and nearly everyone has an opinion on what happened. And, among non-basketball fans, opinion is almost unanimously stacked against Draymond. Folks of all age ranges now know the name Draymond Green, and for all the wrong reasons. Dude's going to be getting public lectures from mothers and grandmothers about "keeping his hands to himself" for ages.
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Post#660 » by wco81 » Fri Oct 14, 2022 4:59 pm

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Crazy-Canuck wrote:People still measuring dray by his ppg?



Apparently the GMs who sign free agents do.

Do you think another team will offer him more than what his current contract is?

They might for one or two years, maybe a team option in year 3.

But I don't see him getting anything like 3 years $80 million or more fully guaranteed.

Certainly not 4 years fully guaranteed for $120 or even $110 million. His current deal was 4 years $100 million with fourth year a player option.

Think of teams which give out bad contracts or may think he could help them.

Do the Pistons give him at least 3 years $80 million fully guaranteed?

Do the Lakers?

Do the Trailblazers?

Do the Clippers?

Do the Heat?

Of these teams I believe only Pistons and Lakers are likely to have cap space after this season for that kind of contract.



Dray wont get a bigger contract because of age, not because he cant score.



Even in his earlier seasons he struggled to get the big contract.

He certainly could have waited a season before signing his current deal, probably test free agency. But he signed after making noises about how he had to give a discount on his second contract, which was 5 years $85 million.

So between his two big contracts, he didn't get as big a raise in AAV.

Because he always struggled to score and while he was DPOY once and several times All Defense, truth is defenders don't get paid unless they can do other things.

What's not going to help his cause with other teams is that they may not run the same defense and have him be the center of it. Nor do they have the off ball shooters the Warriors have, to make him effective on offense.

What's Draymong going to do, get a lot of assists to Lebron and Davis? No they will create shots off a couple of dribbles, they're not running the baseline for pin downs.

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