Emoni Bates

[azcatz11]

Yes that’s the draft boards reaction to all of your posts

entirety of realgm

5K And1's say otherwise.

And 1s don’t mean anything. I And 1 your posts also even though I know you’re trolling sometimes because you being up good points.

[clyde21]

dude's a mental midget and has some odd physical limitations but still does some absurd things at his size...gonna be such a curious case how he high he goes if a team decides to spend the asset on him

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[CptCrunch]

1/ Ugly shot, beyond ugly
2/ Built like rookie year Brandon Ingram
3/ Cannot jump at all, foot speed doesn't exist either.
4/ Where was the creation? Maybe just my highlight, no assist this game for being a point forward.

Shot list
Curl into shot, but doesn't shoot immediately, turns into contested off balance fade - low quality
Transition free layup - high quality
Pull up contested 3 - low quality
Put back dunk way below the rim, this man has no hops at all - high quality
Horrible iso, step back contested 3 - very low quality
Driving layup to right - high quality
Roll to basketball, free dunk - very high quality
Transition layup - high quality
Pull up side step mid ranger - medium quality
Off screen, off balance 3 - very low quality

Made a bunch of really garbage shots (12 for 19 tells you it is one of those hot nights). If he keeps on making these garbage shots throughout the season, maybe I can see him as a mid first round pick in the best case.

[azcatz11]

1/ Ugly shot, beyond ugly
2/ Built like rookie year Brandon Ingram
3/ Cannot jump at all, foot speed doesn't exist either.
4/ Where was the creation? Maybe just my highlight, no assist this game for being a point forward.

Shot list
Curl into shot, but doesn't shoot immediately, turns into contested off balance fade - low quality
Transition free layup - high quality
Pull up contested 3 - low quality
Put back dunk way below the rim, this man has no hops at all - high quality
Horrible iso, step back contested 3 - very low quality
Driving layup to right - high quality
Roll to basketball, free dunk - very high quality
Transition layup - high quality
Pull up side step mid ranger - medium quality
Off screen, off balance 3 - very low quality

Made a bunch of really garbage shots (12 for 19 tells you it is one of those hot nights). If he keeps on making these garbage shots throughout the season, maybe I can see him as a mid first round pick in the best case.

Why was he so highly rated out of HS?

[CptCrunch]

1/ Ugly shot, beyond ugly
2/ Built like rookie year Brandon Ingram
3/ Cannot jump at all, foot speed doesn't exist either.
4/ Where was the creation? Maybe just my highlight, no assist this game for being a point forward.

Shot list
Curl into shot, but doesn't shoot immediately, turns into contested off balance fade - low quality
Transition free layup - high quality
Pull up contested 3 - low quality
Put back dunk way below the rim, this man has no hops at all - high quality
Horrible iso, step back contested 3 - very low quality
Driving layup to right - high quality
Roll to basketball, free dunk - very high quality
Transition layup - high quality
Pull up side step mid ranger - medium quality
Off screen, off balance 3 - very low quality

Made a bunch of really garbage shots (12 for 19 tells you it is one of those hot nights). If he keeps on making these garbage shots throughout the season, maybe I can see him as a mid first round pick in the best case.

Why was he so highly rated out of HS?

He was the best player in the country sophomore year. Then he played for a high school created by his father. His residual ranking carried him to a top 5 RSCI, no longer #1 prospect. Kids just caught up physically with him by end of high school while his physical development stalled.

[clyde21]

mid first? way too rich. some real physical limitations + what seems to be like a very immature kid isn't a great combination. gonna be interesting to see tho if any GM is tempted to make it happen.

[Time for Change]

Anyone can look good hitting their shots. The problem is if he needs to be “the man” on the team to be successful, and he had to drop down to a mid-major to find a spot where he could have the offense run through him, that doesn’t sound like it will translate to the NBA.

[DowNY]

A team will take a chance on him late 1st or rarely 2nd

[SeattleJazzFan]

if he can keep hitting those shots, he's a mid/late first guy. and what i mean by keep hitting those shots, if he can score 20+ ppg on 60+ TS, somebody will take a chance on him in spite of the physical and athletic limitations.

[Hal14]

What do people think? Will his off court issues cause him to to not get drafted at all?

Maybe a team will be alright with rolling the dice in the 2nd round, since the upside/talent at that point in the draft for emoni could be so much higher than the other guys available, that you look past the off court issues?

For off court issues, there's

1) Left memphis after 1 year. Didn't seem to be a good fit there, didn't seem to see eye to eye with Coach Hardaway. Even left the team for a good chunk of the season and then transferred to a smaller school

2) Arrested for gun possession as well as possession of marijuana and tobcacco:
https://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/2022/10/14/emoni-bates-felony-gun-charges-dropped-suspension-eastern-michigan-basketball/69560865007/

A guy with his skill level, shot making, handle, bag of moves, confidence and quickness for a dude who is 6'10 at only 18 yrs old. That sounds like a potential lottery pick and a definite 1st rounder.

But will the off court issues cause him to drop? If so, how far will he drop?

[azcatz11]

What do people think? Will his off court issues cause him to to not get drafted at all?

Maybe a team will be alright with rolling the dice in the 2nd round, since the upside/talent at that point in the draft for emoni could be so much higher than the other guys available, that you look past the off court issues?

For off court issues, there's

1) Left memphis after 1 year. Didn't seem to be a good fit there, didn't seem to see eye to eye with Coach Hardaway. Even left the team for a good chunk of the season and then transferred to a smaller school

2) Arrested for gun possession as well as possession of marijuana and tobcacco:
https://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/2022/10/14/emoni-bates-felony-gun-charges-dropped-suspension-eastern-michigan-basketball/69560865007/

A guy with his skill level, shot making, handle, bag of moves, confidence and quickness for a dude who is 6'10 at only 18 yrs old. That sounds like a potential lottery pick and a definite 1st rounder.

But will the off court issues cause him to drop? If so, how far will he drop?

I love him and always have. I know his numbers suck but you watch him and he's a clear NBA player. I would think he's a lotto pick

[azcatz11]

Now that he’s entering the draft do y’all think he’s a lottery pick?

[Upperclass]

Bates isnt an NBA player and cant play on an NBA floor. His tool bag is rudimentary, no quickness, no length etc

[clyde21]

second round flyer at best imo

[SeattleJazzFan]

i'd take him at the end of the second.

[BostonCouchGM]

Now that he’s entering the draft do y’all think he’s a lottery pick?

I think he's a similar talent to Isiah Todd (#32 overall 1st pick in 2nd round) and Ziaire Williams (10th overalll). You see 6'9" guys with potential and it's hard not to take a chance. With Ziaire and Todd, they couldn't and still can't shoot and clearly haven't put in the work to improve so they're already all but out of opportunities since their teams have drafted or traded for wings they believe in since.

Bates can play. He flashes a lot on both ends. I think he might actually make a really good role player if he was used as such. Like an MPJ. A strictly C&S wing that kills teams on wide open looks who could occasionally take it to the hoop if close-outs overcommit. Move the ball where it's supposed to go and hold his own on defense. If in that role I think he could be an above average 3 pt shooter and if he commits to defense, a plus on that end (assuming he has the length and athleticism which we'll find out about at the combine hopefully) which will allow him to get on the floor. A cross between Cameron Johnson on the high end and on the low end Royce O'Neal. That's IF he works out. He could very well flame out or go undrafted if he doesn't show out at the combine.

Let's say he measures 6'9" with a 6'9" wingspan and test average athletically. Even in this weak draft class that means he's likely mid to late 2nd round. If he has a positive wingspan and tests better athletically, shoots the lights out in workouts and his interviews go well, late 1st is probably his ceiling. His days of being a lottery selection died with his injuries and off-court issues.

[mattao313]

Best case scenario is he is a bench sparkplug like a Nick Young I could see him going mid second round.

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[NO-KG-AI]

He has to gain 2 inches of wingspan and about 8 inches on his vertical to even be deemed as average length and explosive ability lol. He's so short armed you have to basically treat him like he's a 6'5ish prospect, not a 6'9 in shoes or whatever, which looks a lot more like 6'7 to me anyway.

[BostonCouchGM]

He has to gain 2 inches of wingspan and about 8 inches on his vertical to even be deemed as average length and explosive ability lol. He's so short armed you have to basically treat him like he's a 6'5ish prospect, not a 6'9 in shoes or whatever, which looks a lot more like 6'7 to me anyway.

he was 17 y/o when they measured him at the Memphis pro day. Maybe he grew. Wingspan prevents guys from being elite defenders but it doesn't stop them from being good or average which is all he needs to be. I think he was also gimped when they had that Pro Day so I'm not sure how accurate that awful 24" vertical was. He dunks with ease so his vertical combined with his wingspan aren't inhibitive. If he's 6'7 and 1/4 without shoes it means he doesn't have a negative wingspan like the narrative suggests. Plenty of guys have succeeded having a neutral or slightly better wingspan:

Kispert
Reaves
Brandon Clarke
Herro
Huerter
Brooks
Kennard

it's not ideal but it's not a death sentence

[CP War Hawks]

Dude gets alot of unnecessary spiteful hate like Trae... Could see him carve out a role as an off the bench Tobias Harris type scorer. Not a good athlete and stick figured tho. Espn has him 6-10 170 fwiw.