SGA to Pelicans

[Wolveswin]

Time to revisit this trade scenario. Pelicans should be all-in! SGA is legit (no, not just one game sample size - his stats over the years prove it). Presti should leverage recent comp with what Mitchell just warranted in actual NBA trade value while maximizing the tank (by a team with no SGA and Chet on the shelf).

Pelicans have everything Presti would be looking for.
A) Promising recent high draft pick = Dyson Daniels.
B) Sexy owed 1sts - so team acquiring SGA doesn’t increase odds of 1sts Presti gets being later 1sts = Lakers’ 1sts owed.
C) Filler that isn’t a deal killer = other youth and/or playable vets.

To Pelicans: SGA + 2x OKC Filler

FOR

To Thunder:
Daniels (2022 #8 overall)
Hayes (career saving flyer)
Graham (shop to 3rd team or useful vet mentor)
Temple (NG expiring - buyout?)
2023 Pelicans 1st (unprotected)
2023 Lakers 1st SWAP (OKC gets best Pelicans/Lakers)
2024 Lakers 1st OPTION 2025 Lakers 1st (unprotected)
2025 Memphis 1st (heavily protected via Pelicans)
2027 Memphis 1st (unprotected via Pelicans)
Presti gets a little better deal than Mitchell got Ainge. Note: unless I am reading it wrong, Presti currently only has 1x 1st in 2023 draft (OKC own) plus a SWAP with Clippers that has zero odds of happening. I have assumed - and read here on RGM - he is overwhelmed with draft capital. Most is owed 2025 and later.

Pelicans complete their young core with locked in SGA and don’t need to mortgage own franchise draft capital to do so.
JVal
Zion
Ingram
SGA
McCollum

[slos]

I think SGA is not eligible for a trade this season though

[coolness]

I think SGA is not eligible for a trade this season though

Mr. BuzzKill!

I believe you though. Still impressed with OP showing actual assets that would make Presti think though.

[Wolveswin]

I think SGA is not eligible for a trade this season though

Mr. BuzzKill!

I believe you though. Still impressed with OP showing actual assets that would make Presti think though.

ESPN trade machine says he can not be traded, but I think that is wrong.

[evilution]

JVal
Zion
Ingram
SGA
McCollum

To be honest I don't think there's enough ball for that starting 5. Herb is also invaluable as a primary defender to best opposing player. If anything, SGA should take McCollum's place, preferably with him going out to alleviate salary and provide some depth.

[Euphonetiks]

Adding SGA would give us an insane amount of firepower, but we cannot afford another max type player at this point. We are going to need those firsts to keep the core of this team together going forward.

[psman2]

How are the Memphis 1sts involved here?

[Wolveswin]

How are the Memphis 1sts involved here?

New spelling of Milwaukee.

[winforlose]

Fanspo says SGA can be traded. The reason he won’t be simple. Giddy, Chet, and this years pick are all on rookie scale deals. Moving SGA delays the timeline again. Also as was mentioned in the original post, OKC is swimming in picks. There is no guarantee they can use those picks or the new picks acquired to get a superstar. Five years of young SGA for an unproven Daniels, Hayes who isn’t filler but also isn’t much more than a perennial backup, and filler isn’t likely.

[Wolveswin]

Fanspo says SGA can be traded. The reason he won’t be simple. Giddy, Chet, and this years pick are all on rookie scale deals. Moving SGA delays the timeline again. Also as was mentioned in the original post, OKC is swimming in picks. There is no guarantee they can use those picks or the new picks acquired to get a superstar. Five years of young SGA for an unproven Daniels, Hayes who isn’t filler but also isn’t much more than a perennial backup, and filler isn’t likely.

I assumed OKC was swimming in picks too. Turns out they are only knee deep in shallow end.

2023 Own 1st (with Clippers swap that won’t happen)
2024 Own 1st
2024 Rockets 1st (1-4 protected) interesting one, that has one chance (slim?) of conveying, then 2nds
2024 Clippers 1st (unprotected)
2024 Jazz 1st (1-10 protected)

So crazy as common folklore has it, Presti in the next TWO drafts most likely only has ONE extra 1st (a very late Clippers 2024 1st). That blows one’s mind, right?

[DrModesty]

Fanspo says SGA can be traded. The reason he won’t be simple. Giddy, Chet, and this years pick are all on rookie scale deals. Moving SGA delays the timeline again. Also as was mentioned in the original post, OKC is swimming in picks. There is no guarantee they can use those picks or the new picks acquired to get a superstar. Five years of young SGA for an unproven Daniels, Hayes who isn’t filler but also isn’t much more than a perennial backup, and filler isn’t likely.

I assumed OKC was swimming in picks too. Turns out they are only knee deep in shallow end.

2023 Own 1st (with Clippers swap that won’t happen)
2024 Own 1st
2024 Rockets 1st (1-4 protected) interesting one, that has one chance (slim?) of conveying, then 2nds
2024 Clippers 1st (unprotected)
2024 Jazz 1st (1-10 protected)

So crazy as common folklore has it, Presti in the next TWO drafts most likely only has ONE extra 1st (a very late Clippers 2024 1st). That blows one’s mind, right?

The Rockets pick has a minimum 52% chance of conveying and the Jazz pick does roll over for 2 years with lesser protections. Thing is OKC does not want too many additional picks in the near future because they have taken so many guys in the previous 2 drafts and there just isn't the roster spots for them.

[Wolveswin]

Fanspo says SGA can be traded. The reason he won’t be simple. Giddy, Chet, and this years pick are all on rookie scale deals. Moving SGA delays the timeline again. Also as was mentioned in the original post, OKC is swimming in picks. There is no guarantee they can use those picks or the new picks acquired to get a superstar. Five years of young SGA for an unproven Daniels, Hayes who isn’t filler but also isn’t much more than a perennial backup, and filler isn’t likely.

I assumed OKC was swimming in picks too. Turns out they are only knee deep in shallow end.

2023 Own 1st (with Clippers swap that won’t happen)
2024 Own 1st
2024 Rockets 1st (1-4 protected) interesting one, that has one chance (slim?) of conveying, then 2nds
2024 Clippers 1st (unprotected)
2024 Jazz 1st (1-10 protected)

So crazy as common folklore has it, Presti in the next TWO drafts most likely only has ONE extra 1st (a very late Clippers 2024 1st). That blows one’s mind, right?

The Rockets pick has a minimum 52% chance of conveying and the Jazz pick does roll over for 2 years with lesser protections. Thing is OKC does not want too many additional picks in the near future because they have taken so many guys in the previous 2 drafts and there just isn't the roster spots for them.

Right, so as said, Presti is NOT swimming in 1sts the next 2x drafts. He needs to get lucky so that that only extra 1st he has is 2024 #28. That is why if he does trade SGA, getting a high draft pick (as in OP #8) plus 1sts not from team SGA joins (see Lakers) is paramount.

[BuddyBuckets]

SGA isn't the guy New Orleans need. Their big 3 is set. Can't bring in another borderline all star and expect it to work.

I could see them trading junk and picks for that glue guy to get 30mibs a night in the rotation where they need it most. But aside from that the Pels need to focus on gelling what they have

[DrModesty]

I assumed OKC was swimming in picks too. Turns out they are only knee deep in shallow end.

2023 Own 1st (with Clippers swap that won’t happen)
2024 Own 1st
2024 Rockets 1st (1-4 protected) interesting one, that has one chance (slim?) of conveying, then 2nds
2024 Clippers 1st (unprotected)
2024 Jazz 1st (1-10 protected)

So crazy as common folklore has it, Presti in the next TWO drafts most likely only has ONE extra 1st (a very late Clippers 2024 1st). That blows one’s mind, right?

The Rockets pick has a minimum 52% chance of conveying and the Jazz pick does roll over for 2 years with lesser protections. Thing is OKC does not want too many additional picks in the near future because they have taken so many guys in the previous 2 drafts and there just isn't the roster spots for them.

Right, so as said, Presti is NOT swimming in 1sts the next 2x drafts. He needs to get lucky so that that only extra 1st he has is 2024 #28. That is why if he does trade SGA, getting a high draft pick (as in OP #8) plus 1sts not from team SGA joins (see Lakers) is paramount.

I'm sorry, but what you are saying doesn't make much sense here.

First off, why do only the next 2 drafts count? OKC have multiple 1sts (Let alone all of the seconds which you don't account for) coming in every year except this coming one until 2027. The roster crunch is going to be a long term thing without consolidation trades. Secondly, Presti absolutely does not need or want to get 'lucky' in the way you are framing it. He wants all of those picks to convey, especially the rockets one. Also why is the Clippers pick projected at #28?

Also if the Rockets pick is minimum 52% chance to convey, then Presti factually is more likely to end up with 2 additional 1sts in 2024 than 1.

An SGA trade needs to return proven young players as the primary centerpiece. Daniels both hasn't proven himself and would be an apparent bad fit with Giddey, who has.

Finally, 1sts from a team that isn't the one SGA goes to is nice... Much less so when it is a team determined to win and highly likely to make roster moves.

[Dadouv47]

It hurts me but I think I would do it. Some upside with those picks/swaps and Daniels is a good prospect. I didn't want to trade SGA but our rebuild is likely gonna take longer than Presti wanted.

[Wolveswin]

The Rockets pick has a minimum 52% chance of conveying and the Jazz pick does roll over for 2 years with lesser protections. Thing is OKC does not want too many additional picks in the near future because they have taken so many guys in the previous 2 drafts and there just isn't the roster spots for them.

Right, so as said, Presti is NOT swimming in 1sts the next 2x drafts. He needs to get lucky so that that only extra 1st he has is 2024 #28. That is why if he does trade SGA, getting a high draft pick (as in OP #8) plus 1sts not from team SGA joins (see Lakers) is paramount.

I'm sorry, but what you are saying doesn't make much sense here.

First off, why do only the next 2 drafts count? OKC have multiple 1sts (Let alone all of the seconds which you don't account for) coming in every year except this coming one until 2027. The roster crunch is going to be a long term thing without consolidation trades. Secondly, Presti absolutely does not need or want to get 'lucky' in the way you are framing it. He wants all of those picks to convey, especially the rockets one. Also why is the Clippers pick projected at #28?

Also if the Rockets pick is minimum 52% chance to convey, then Presti factually is more likely to end up with 2 additional 1sts in 2024 than 1.

An SGA trade needs to return proven young players as the primary centerpiece. Daniels both hasn't proven himself and would be an apparent bad fit with Giddey, who has.

Finally, 1sts from a team that isn't the one SGA goes to is nice... Much less so when it is a team determined to win and highly likely to make roster moves.

Why would Presti trade SGA (proven young talent) for proven young talent? You want him to just swap?

Having more draft capital earlier is always better. As Presti proved 2022 draft, he uses them to move around the board. Potentially having only one extra 1st the next two seasons - means if trading SGA - he would place a premium on earlier pick not from team SGA is going to.

Oh, and the Rockets 1st isn’t minimum of 52% chance Presti gets it in 2024. If Rockets are bottom 3 team, it’s 52% chance Rockets keep it (48% chance Presti gets it).

[Wolveswin]

It hurts me but I think I would do it. Some upside with those picks/swaps and Daniels is a good prospect. I didn't want to trade SGA but our rebuild is likely gonna take longer than Presti wanted.

I agree. Thunder will be punting this season. Next season having two rookies (Chet plus early 2023 draftee). That means a punt year (as they develop). If for some reason Presti’s youth develops faster than expected, 3 seasons away - but most likely 4-5.

[MoneyTalks41890]

Fanspo says SGA can be traded. The reason he won’t be simple. Giddy, Chet, and this years pick are all on rookie scale deals. Moving SGA delays the timeline again. Also as was mentioned in the original post, OKC is swimming in picks. There is no guarantee they can use those picks or the new picks acquired to get a superstar. Five years of young SGA for an unproven Daniels, Hayes who isn’t filler but also isn’t much more than a perennial backup, and filler isn’t likely.

I assumed OKC was swimming in picks too. Turns out they are only knee deep in shallow end.

2023 Own 1st (with Clippers swap that won’t happen)
2024 Own 1st
2024 Rockets 1st (1-4 protected) interesting one, that has one chance (slim?) of conveying, then 2nds
2024 Clippers 1st (unprotected)
2024 Jazz 1st (1-10 protected)

So crazy as common folklore has it, Presti in the next TWO drafts most likely only has ONE extra 1st (a very late Clippers 2024 1st). That blows one’s mind, right?

If the Rockets pick in the top 4 four years in a row, then we probably do need to totally revamp the lottery (again). I think OKC gets that as a lotto pick.

Clippers just gave OKC the 12th pick, which was Jalen Williams, so I'm not writing that one off yet.

The Jazz pick has declining protections, that will convey in the lotto probably.

History has basically shown us that trying to paint these as late picks usually ends up being wrong, especially since mathematically it's not really likely.

OKC is owed 8 future 1sts with limited protections with none going out. That's before you get into the 4 swaps.

But part of this is that OKC just cashed in three of their 1sts for the 11th pick last year. They are already making moves with the stash. But there's a huge amount left to basically rival any trade package that could get put together.

[MoneyTalks41890]

The picks here are a mirage.

2023 Pelicans 1st (unprotected)
2023 Lakers 1st SWAP (OKC gets best Pelicans/Lakers)
-These are the same pick.

2024 Lakers 1st OPTION 2025 Lakers 1st (unprotected)
-This is a good pick, would need to stay in.

2025 Mil1st (heavily protected via Pelicans)
-Top 4 ONLY, so really not valuable for the receiving team.

2027 Mil 1st (unprotected via Pelicans)
-Decent pick.


For the pick package here, I'd want:
2023 NOP/LA 1st
2024 Lakers 1st OPTION 2025 Lakers 1st (unprotected)
2026 swap rights with any 1sts OKC has
2027 Mil 1st (unprotected via Pelicans)
2027 NOP 1st

[Wolveswin]

The picks here are a mirage.

2023 Pelicans 1st (unprotected)
2023 Lakers 1st SWAP (OKC gets best Pelicans/Lakers)
-These are the same pick.

2024 Lakers 1st OPTION 2025 Lakers 1st (unprotected)
-This is a good pick, would need to stay in.

2025 Mil1st (heavily protected via Pelicans)
-Top 4 ONLY, so really not valuable for the receiving team.

2027 Mil 1st (unprotected via Pelicans)
-Decent pick.


For the pick package here, I'd want:
2023 NOP/LA 1st
2024 Lakers 1st OPTION 2025 Lakers 1st (unprotected)
2026 swap rights with any 1sts OKC has
2027 Mil 1st (unprotected via Pelicans)
2027 NOP 1st

2023 1st would be Lakers (via swap with Pelicans unprotected). That Lakers train wreck pick is looking good so far (from a team not getting SGA in the trade).

2024 or 2025 Option from Lakers who stars are aging and injury prone. I think that is the best owed 1st in NBA. Again Presti getting draft capital from a team not getting SGA.

2027 Bucks 1st - who knows, but always nice to have an unprotected pick…wait for it…from a team not getting SGA.

I think those 3x 1sts are way better than the 3x 1sts Ainge got for Mitchell. They are sexier and sooner. But maybe a Pelicans 1st swap or two more is needed.