NBA 2022-23 Regular Season Thread Volume 1

[DayofMourning]

I still can’t believe this organization went in confidently this year that the 6’5 205 slim Caleb Martin was going to fill the void at the 4. We didn’t even try to get a cheap vet option to bridge Jovic. Terrible offseason. Ranks right up there signing Mo Harkless to play the 4.

I'm not going to overreact after one game but we've had some interesting offseasons after deep playoff runs.

After 2006 we took a mental dump. After 2014 we Danny Grangered. After the Bubble we chose to sign a retired baller to be our big man. Now we've got a quality player like Caleb manning the hole we've self created at PF. We've got 37 year old Lowry making 30 mil a year.

We've really just gotten Butler and done nothing to help him. We've preached internal growth while making very questionable free agency decisions.

Once again, it's just one game but that internal growth better get exponential to make up for 3 years of curious offseasons.

[RexBoyWonder]

Spo would never but I would start games :

PG : Herro
SG : Strus
SF : Jimmy
PF : Jovic
C : Bam

Lowry, Martin, Vincent first subs.

Then hopefully we can trade Lowry and Duncan with our picks for real players at trade deadline.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

like i said in the prediction thread :

our biggest hole won't be at PF, it's at PG.

Lowry was a big mistake, he's beyond washed and probably one of the worst starting PGs in the league. Also he looks mentally checked out.

I'd take 90% of other teams PGs over him. He's not good at either end at this stage, and he's in the worst shape on the team by far.

I'm praying we could somehow get rid of his fat ass and somehow get a true scorer at PG. Maybe a D.Fox type. Someone that actually wants to be here and fight to get wins.

Lowry/Duncan + our 2 picks, we need to make a move if we're serious about contending. This team can't win in the playoffs with an out of shape passive midget that doesn't give a **** as our starting PG.

Keep in mind we can easily unlock that 3rd 1st with OKC if needed.

Lowry is horrible. He doesn’t even try to defend anymore, he doesn’t score, he doesn’t play make. Literally wtf does he do for the team?! Dude just let’s his man blow by him all the time and just tries to swipe at the ball

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Imagine if we still had Dragic and Precious lol

We clearly gave the wrong former Raptor $30M a year.

[contract]

The real concerns aside from our roster construction are Lowry and Dipo being washed and Duncan being ridiculously overpaid. Our salary cap may be beyond repair in the near term. We almost have to give Duncan big minutes and a lot of shots in hopes of finding a sucker to get that contract off our books ... winning be damned. Lowry and Dipo will resolve themselves next year.

Lowry/Robinson for Westbrook and try to get a pick. Both will have a resurgent year playing with Bron & actually help them make the PO. Brodie will expire at the end of the season and can’t be much worse than Lowry.

If Nets suck then I’d be open to trade them for World B Flat. We know he has respect for Riley and will provide a lot more than Lowry on the offensive end, taking the load off Jimmy.

There's no way that you are trading Duncan for an expiring contract AND getting a pick too.

[contract]

like i said in the prediction thread :

our biggest hole won't be at PF, it's at PG.

Lowry was a big mistake, he's beyond washed and probably one of the worst starting PGs in the league. Also he looks mentally checked out.

I'd take 90% of other teams PGs over him. He's not good at either end at this stage, and he's in the worst shape on the team by far.

I'm praying we could somehow get rid of his fat ass and somehow get a true scorer at PG. Maybe a D.Fox type. Someone that actually wants to be here and fight to get wins.

Lowry/Duncan + our 2 picks, we need to make a move if we're serious about contending. This team can't win in the playoffs with an out of shape passive midget that doesn't give a **** as our starting PG.

We're probably overstating things a bit. Lowry is probably not going to be a total wreck this season, it's just that it will seem that way relative to his salary and contract. On the court he will probably still be a net positive, although he's at an age where he could literally decline by the month. But it's not really the player that I worry about so much as his effect on our cap and in any potential trade scenario.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Imagine if we still had Dragic and Precious lol

We clearly gave the wrong former Raptor $30M a year.

Precious would have never made it here. Spo wanted to use him like Dedmon.

[contract]

Imagine if we still had Dragic and Precious lol

We clearly gave the wrong former Raptor $30M a year.

Precious would have never made it here. Spo wanted to use him like Dedmon.

Still an upgrade.

[RexBoyWonder]

like i said in the prediction thread :

our biggest hole won't be at PF, it's at PG.

Lowry was a big mistake, he's beyond washed and probably one of the worst starting PGs in the league. Also he looks mentally checked out.

I'd take 90% of other teams PGs over him. He's not good at either end at this stage, and he's in the worst shape on the team by far.

I'm praying we could somehow get rid of his fat ass and somehow get a true scorer at PG. Maybe a D.Fox type. Someone that actually wants to be here and fight to get wins.

Lowry/Duncan + our 2 picks, we need to make a move if we're serious about contending. This team can't win in the playoffs with an out of shape passive midget that doesn't give a **** as our starting PG.

We're probably overstating things a bit. Lowry is probably not going to be a total wreck this season, it's just that it will seem that way relative to his salary and contract. On the court he will probably still be a net positive, although he's at an age where he could literally decline by the month. But it's not really the player that I worry about so much as his effect on our cap and in any potential trade scenario.

Yea....honestly I'm kinda done with the Lowry apologists.

Last year it was family, this year he's saving it till the playoffs, He brings the intangibles...bla bla.

Dude flat out sucks as a player. He can't score or defend on a high level. Not even on average level. It's not even about him being grossly overpaid, he looks worse then most MLE type players. And he looks out of shape, which is just adding insult to injury.

Add the fact that he also looks like he doesn't give a **** and he's quickly turning to the first guy I want to get rid of.

At least Duncan is trying his best and working hard.

[dolphinatik]

Dragic is what you want all your players to be. Just a true hard working skilled professional. Huge respect for that man. But ya Duncan wasn't that bad i wouldn't rush to trade him for cap space. I'm more concerned with Bam. Lowry can and probably should come off the bench. Jimmy or herro can handle the offense. Jovic at the 4 is a failure like playing Beasley at the 3. Jovic is a mismatch at his natural 3 and bam is a better 4 than a 5.

I'm actually not worried. Ithink we just didn't play with urgency and took this one for granted. Will wait to see how we respond in the celtics game.

[RexBoyWonder]

We really **** up when we gave Lowry that third guaranteed year on his contract.

He'll be harder to move then Robinson, we'll need to add 3 picks to get rid of them and bring anything good back.

Our ability to trade Lowry/Duncan + 2/3 picks for a great player will decide our faith fr the next 2 seasons.

[al bondiga]

like i said in the prediction thread :

our biggest hole won't be at PF, it's at PG.

Lowry was a big mistake, he's beyond washed and probably one of the worst starting PGs in the league. Also he looks mentally checked out.

I'd take 90% of other teams PGs over him. He's not good at either end at this stage, and he's in the worst shape on the team by far.

I'm praying we could somehow get rid of his fat ass and somehow get a true scorer at PG. Maybe a D.Fox type. Someone that actually wants to be here and fight to get wins.

Lowry/Duncan + our 2 picks, we need to make a move if we're serious about contending. This team can't win in the playoffs with an out of shape passive midget that doesn't give a **** as our starting PG.

We're probably overstating things a bit. Lowry is probably not going to be a total wreck this season, it's just that it will seem that way relative to his salary and contract. On the court he will probably still be a net positive, although he's at an age where he could literally decline by the month. But it's not really the player that I worry about so much as his effect on our cap and in any potential trade scenario.

I agree that loudy is not going to be that bad, he makes Jimmy happy and he's also an organizing Force

it's just a question of perception his contract is Way Beyond his means... but I think that is the Raptors fault

Involving Lowry and Duncan with Westbrook in a trade would be perfect for both teams, keep in mind Westbrook might end up being our best power forward ever

[SA37]

FWIW, this works:

Miami gets: Westbrook + Crowder

Lakers get: Lowry + Robinson

Suns get: Nunn and Yursteven

Adebayo / Dedmon
Crowder / Martin ?
Butler / Strus
Herro / Oladipo
Westbrook / Vincent

[KingDavid]

Imagine if we still had Dragic and Precious lol

We clearly gave the wrong former Raptor $30M a year.

Precious would be a godsend rn.

[KingDavid]

Spo would never but I would start games :

PG : Herro
SG : Strus
SF : Jimmy
PF : Jovic
C : Bam

Lowry, Martin, Vincent first subs.

Then hopefully we can trade Lowry and Duncan with our picks for real players at trade deadline.

Herro ain't no pg. His dribble isn't where it needs to be and defensively, I wouldn't want him up against some of these point guards...

[3ammy3uck3ts]

FWIW, this works:

Miami gets: Westbrook + Crowder

Lakers get: Lowry + Robinson

Suns get: Nunn and Yursteven

Adebayo / Dedmon
Crowder / Martin ?
Butler / Strus
Herro / Oladipo
Westbrook / Vincent

Send Westbrooks expiring and all of our picks out for the next disgruntled all star PG/PF and I’m down

[RexBoyWonder]

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Can't believe I've come to this - but here we go.

The Westbrook to Miami trade.

[wade44]

That Lowry+Robison for WB trade might have worked weeks ago but no more. Lowry will quickly be outed as washed if he already isn't already

[Wiltside]

Imagine if we still had Dragic and Precious lol

We clearly gave the wrong former Raptor $30M a year.

Precious would be a godsend rn.

Yeah, that one stings. It’s all hypothetical, because as MWP said, Spo wouldn’t give him the offensive license he has in Toronto - and we’d be playing him as an undersized 5, where he got man handled in his rookie year with us.

Having a versatile, switchable big who can actually shoot from 3 would’ve been nice though. It’s a shame Lowry is as washed as he is.

[SA37]

Spoiler:

FWIW, this works:

Miami gets: Westbrook + Crowder

Lakers get: Lowry + Robinson

Suns get: Nunn and Yursteven

Adebayo / Dedmon
Crowder / Martin ?
Butler / Strus
Herro / Oladipo
Westbrook / Vincent

Send Westbrooks expiring and all of our picks out for the next disgruntled all star PG/PF and I’m down

I mean, if it were that easy, the Lakers could cut Miami out and do the same themselves. If the rumors are correct, the Lakers have an option like this on the table:

Lakers get: Buddy Hield and Myles Turner

Pacers get Westbrook and 1-2 1sts from the Lakers

That is infinitely better than Robinson, Lowry, and any picks Miami might be able to send IF the goal is to maximize LeBron James's last ~2 all-NBA seasons. In fact, that could be expanded to include Crowder going to LA for Nunn.

Turner / Bryant
Davis / Crowder
James / Toscano-Anderson
Hield / Walker
Schroder / Beverly