GT: Nets vs. Pelicans 7:30pm EST (SEASON OPENER)

[gigantes]

Looks like Drummond hasn't been signed yet. Anybody know why that is?

I thought he signed with the Bulls?

He's on Chicago.

Thanks!
For some reason bball-reference and WP haven't listed that yet.

[MGrand15]

This game sucked but it was a repeat of the Miami game in the preseason. We bounced back nicely after that.

New Orleans is also a tough matchup because they have two legit big body bigs and a ton of length on the perimeter. They matchup perfectly with us. The coaching was not good enough (Kyrie should've been attacking Zion on switches) but our terrible offensive start put us in a worse position than anything coach related.

Toronto is another team with a ton of length + the ability to switch basically everything - so that's gonna be a big test for our offense.

[ChuckS]

[quote="MrDollarBills"

KD needs to get the ball on the block. No more initiating offense from him...he loses the ball way too much. His ball handle is nowhere near good enough anymore.

Claxton showed up last night but no one else bothered to match his intensity.[/quote]

(NOTE: I haven't posted since I left the GS Board so I apologize for forgetting how to do the quotes thing. I actually couldn't even remember my sign on until today.)


Let me preface this by saying I've followed the NBA since its inception and admit to being a dinosaur who oftentimes doesn't understand today's thinking. But I followed KD from the better GSW team, which has been a joy to follow, because I live in the state -- and although I would probably be considered a "bandwagoner" I haven't had a home team for about six decades so do not feel guilty. KD is one of the greatest players I have ever seen, and provides me the greatest basketball joy in the present.

I'm too old and feeble to be long winded, so I will not attempt in one post to counter every attack I thought was ridiculous. But I'd like to address this one point about his turnovers which could be considered valid. Except for MJ who averaged less than 3 turnovers per game, his turnovers are comparable to most dominant scorers/players. He has averaged 3.2 for his career and 3.5 last year. LBJ 3.7 and 3.5. The Greek Freak 2.9 and 3.3. Luka Doncic 4.1 and 4.5. Nikola Jocic 2.8 and 3.8. Kobe 3.0 and 3.7 in his highest year. And Larry Bird 3.1 and 3.5 in his highest year. I have excluded point guards with like or higher numbers because it is probable that they handle the ball more. I think in spite of his frame, he still would be excellent "on the block" and he has shown that. But I strongly believe that to limit him such would be to take away everything that has made him somewhat unique and great.

I also think Claxton has improved substantially and applaud his intensity last night. I would just be worried if I thought that I was the only one who thought it paled in comparison to that of the 34 year old who most excelled.

[OfficialRef]

That was dreadful. Seriously a waste of time of all Nets fans and probably players.

Nash sucks period. I don't think theres a single good thing he does out there: Offense, defense, rotations, player management, TOs, ref managing he sucks at all aspects of the game.

One thing that stood out: Claxton and Ben cannot play together out there. Having 2 guys who aren't floor spacers is killer in the NBA and gives me blake griffin and James Johnson vibes.

[NetsJets]

I decided to watch the game and with the way this team looks these athletic teams are going to run us out of the gym. The Magic’s and Pistons, and Cavs, Rockets even Knicks are going to feast on us if we don’t make some changes.

[CalamityX12]

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[Jay555]

I posted this on the Sixers board, and thought I'd post it here. I'm a Sixers fan but watch a lot of the Nets because I'm Australian and love Patty Mills - he is one of the few sportsmen loved by everyone here. Most Australians also dislike Ben Simmons ,and while glad to see him gone from Philly I was not happy to see him land in Brooklyn.,...

That was probably the worst game I have seen Simmons play. He was a negative on both ends of the floor. He is not an interior defender. His best defensive role is guarding on the perimeter with a big behind him to run a trap with - when doing that he is one of the best defenders in the league. Brooklyn doesn't have a genuine big so he can't play that role and has to play inside. Simmons is going to be hated in Brooklyn very soon, I suspect he will decide to sit out games with an excuse before Christmas.

He is uncoachable - All because of his fragile ego and the dickheads he has surrounded himself with, including his family who are more interested in money and fame than Simmons being his best.

If he started shooting right-handed tomorrow he would be a much better player right now, 3 months from now he would be dangerous. Today he is a liability and will be benched when Nash realises he will end up getting sacked if this crap continues into the second half of the year.

Nice post mate. I am also from Australia and I follow Harden & KD only these days. Always love Patty.
But Simmons is a baby.

I will never get it why grown up man would follow single players instead of a team , what is it about ? It’s like not having enough hero as a kid and filing the void later ?

I don’t get it really, liking the player is one thing , but following the guy from team to team it’s kind of childish, for instance I liked Bruce Brown , now he’s gone from the Nets ,I might go check his stats or watch occasional game ( likely against the nets ) but following him ? No way

And this I only follow KD and Harden these days
KD - because you like snakes ? and Harden because of ? Beard or strip club going ?

I will never get it

GO NETS

I donot know.. that’s just me.

Go Nets and 76ers.

That’s weird I know. But that’s me..

[TheBallsDeeper]

I posted this on the Sixers board, and thought I'd post it here. I'm a Sixers fan but watch a lot of the Nets because I'm Australian and love Patty Mills - he is one of the few sportsmen loved by everyone here. Most Australians also dislike Ben Simmons ,and while glad to see him gone from Philly I was not happy to see him land in Brooklyn.,...

That was probably the worst game I have seen Simmons play. He was a negative on both ends of the floor. He is not an interior defender. His best defensive role is guarding on the perimeter with a big behind him to run a trap with - when doing that he is one of the best defenders in the league. Brooklyn doesn't have a genuine big so he can't play that role and has to play inside. Simmons is going to be hated in Brooklyn very soon, I suspect he will decide to sit out games with an excuse before Christmas.

He is uncoachable - All because of his fragile ego and the dickheads he has surrounded himself with, including his family who are more interested in money and fame than Simmons being his best.

If he started shooting right-handed tomorrow he would be a much better player right now, 3 months from now he would be dangerous. Today he is a liability and will be benched when Nash realises he will end up getting sacked if this crap continues into the second half of the year.

Nice post mate. I am also from Australia and I follow Harden & KD only these days. Always love Patty.
But Simmons is a baby.

I will never get it why grown up man would follow single players instead of a team , what is it about ? It’s like not having enough hero as a kid and filing the void later ?

I don’t get it really, liking the player is one thing , but following the guy from team to team it’s kind of childish, for instance I liked Bruce Brown , now he’s gone from the Nets ,I might go check his stats or watch occasional game ( likely against the nets ) but following him ? No way

And this I only follow KD and Harden these days
KD - because you like snakes ? and Harden because of ? Beard or strip club going ?

I will never get it

GO NETS

Watching strangers play with a ball and personally get excited or upset about it is pretty weird to start with. Not sure any of us have a high moral ground to stand on with this one as to the correct way to do it...

[TheBallsDeeper]

*YAWN*

STOP LISTENING TO SIXERS FANS ABOUT SIMMONS

His form fell off a cliff well before the Atlanta series and he took a mental health break then

His brother is not his coach, it's Chris Johnson

If Simmons was so resistant to coaching then why would he open himself up to public ridicule by having himself filmed doing the most basic of exercises with Korver?

He's like a golfer with the yips and it's all mental

Sixers fans won't state the obvious as it puts the focus on their team

Funny (not) how Sixers fans (some of whom are never seen on their board) appear here now

I understand your optimism, but I've seen Instagram posts of Simmons finally shooting in the off-season with a new attitude for 6 straight years. Until he shoots right-handed he will not progress, and at the moment he has regressed even further. He is uncoachable. It's the reason he choose LSU and the reason he refused to play at the Sixers.

[MrDollarBills]

KD needs to get the ball on the block. No more initiating offense from him...he loses the ball way too much. His ball handle is nowhere near good enough anymore.

Claxton showed up last night but no one else bothered to match his intensity.

(NOTE: I haven't posted since I left the GS Board so I apologize for forgetting how to do the quotes thing. I actually couldn't even remember my sign on until today.)


Let me preface this by saying I've followed the NBA since its inception and admit to being a dinosaur who oftentimes doesn't understand today's thinking. But I followed KD from the better GSW team, which has been a joy to follow, because I live in the state -- and although I would probably be considered a "bandwagoner" I haven't had a home team for about six decades so do not feel guilty. KD is one of the greatest players I have ever seen, and provides me the greatest basketball joy in the present.

I'm too old and feeble to be long winded, so I will not attempt in one post to counter every attack I thought was ridiculous. But I'd like to address this one point about his turnovers which could be considered valid. Except for MJ who averaged less than 3 turnovers per game, his turnovers are comparable to most dominant scorers/players. He has averaged 3.2 for his career and 3.5 last year. LBJ 3.7 and 3.5. The Greek Freak 2.9 and 3.3. Luka Doncic 4.1 and 4.5. Nikola Jocic 2.8 and 3.8. Kobe 3.0 and 3.7 in his highest year. And Larry Brown 3.1 and 3.5 in his highest year. I have excluded point guards with like or higher numbers because it is probable that they handle the ball more. I think in spite of his frame, he still would be excellent "on the block" and he has shown that. But I strongly believe that to limit him such would be to take away everything that has made him somewhat unique and great.

I also think Claxton has improved substantially and applaud his intensity last night. I would just be worried if I thought that I was the only one who thought it paled in comparison to that of the 34 year old who most excelled.

Yeah but KD's turnovers are really hurting us. A good reason why we went down early is because he had some bad turnovers early

[GTR11]

It won't get better, just as Philthy we got same problem. Have coaching issue. Both teams will be fighting for 6-8 seed.

Good thing we can still blow it up and get assets unlike Philthy. They will have to give up assets to blow it up. Tobby 76m and Harden 68, that's a lot of cake. Tobby complete kaka compared to Ben, we can fetch something for him too. They won't get sh** for Harden, not this one we've seen.

Most frustrating thing is, Ime, Snyder, D'Antoni and Borega sitting home right now doing nothing. Beside Mike, Sean is in good relationship with rest of them, but they won't come here until Kyrie and KD gone. Not after what happened with Kenny.

I'm getting close to the point where I think Marks should be fired. This Steve Trash love fest from Tsai/Marks is unacceptable period. We waisted 3 years for nothing. Marks not willing to step up to Tsai, if he's not build like that than it's time to pull a plug on him, we wasting time here.

Well, I detest Harden almost as much as I detest Kyrie, but I think Philly is miles ahead of the Nets. Philly lost its opener on the road to the Celtics, who were pretty close to winning the title last year, in a game that was tied at the half. The Nets lost their opener at home to a team that hasn't won a playoff series in 5 years, and the game was never remotely competitive. I'm also comfortable predicting that if Embiid stays healthy, Philly will win at least 50 games and at least 1 playoff series, while the Nets will be lucky to win 40 games and will not make the playoffs.

As for blowing it up and getting assets -- Philly's roster is well superior to the Nets'. Embiid would garner more in trade than KD, Harden would return more than Kyrie, and Harris would return more than Simmons. For that matter, both Kyrie and Simmons have negative trade value -- i.e. the Nets would have to pay someone to take either of them. That is not the case with either Harden or Harris.

I agree with you that no real coach will come here until the "big 3" are gone, although I can see someone coming here once Kyrie and Simmons are gone, if he can get comfortable that KD is bought in -- which is pretty unlikely although not impossible IMHO.

I do not agree with firing Marks or that there is an issue with him "not stepping up to Tsai." I think Marks and Tsai are 100% in agreement on their approach to this season -- i.e. they are done kowtowing to their stars, they are not giving Kyrie an extension, they are not firing Nash just because KD and Kyrie want it to happen (although they might decide to fire him anyway, which I think is pretty likely) and they are going to see how this roster does this season before making any long-term decisions.

Typical agree to disagree here. It's just I hot facts to go from, not sure what you going of from. Kyrie will fetch 2 unprotected 1st rounders from LA, will Harden or Tobby? I highly doubt it. Should I remind what KD fetching? Speaking of our roster, I can pull up what their asking prices are before BK, beside Maxey entire Philthy roster is trash, and that's me being polite.

We were 40 win team with Patty being best player, how exactly Philthy better team. Can you guarantee without Maxey and Biid they win 40 games? I'll take that bet any day.

[GTR11]

Should’ve already happened, but you either have to face facts and blow this up or fire Nash and give a new coach a shot at salvaging this.

You should follow your own advice before coming here and telling us what to do. Your team as bad if not worse, and moving forward I'm not sure it will get better for you guys.

Who is my team?


Pretty sure whatever youre thinking is wrong based on that comment.

Anyways address the comment, not the poster.

You came here with same agenda as Philthy trolls and chirping same sh**. No tell us how you not same clown.

Me, I eliminated formality and went straight to the root because I know species like you. Bait than report. Because of clowns like you we missing good guy and one of our own Prok.

Our mods very merciful for your luck.

[gigantes]

Nice post mate. I am also from Australia and I follow Harden & KD only these days. Always love Patty.
But Simmons is a baby.

I will never get it why grown up man would follow single players instead of a team , what is it about ? It’s like not having enough hero as a kid and filing the void later ?

I don’t get it really, liking the player is one thing , but following the guy from team to team it’s kind of childish, for instance I liked Bruce Brown , now he’s gone from the Nets ,I might go check his stats or watch occasional game ( likely against the nets ) but following him ? No way

And this I only follow KD and Harden these days
KD - because you like snakes ? and Harden because of ? Beard or strip club going ?

I will never get it

GO NETS

Watching strangers play with a ball and personally get excited or upset about it is pretty weird to start with. Not sure any of us have a high moral ground to stand on with this one as to the correct way to do it...

Good response, and it's (sort of) an interesting discussion, yeah?

Like-- who's the 'better' fan? The one that roots for teams, the one that roots for players, or the typically pragmatic MF who's a combination of the two?

TBH, tracking players makes a lot more sense to me as a human bean. Because in that sense, following the person amounts to following an ongoing life-story, with its ups & downs and unending personal developments. The same way we do with other people in the news, or simply ones that we care about. By contrast, following a team? That's a quick lesson in people and programs constantly changing, with absolutely nothing remaining from just a few years prior.

The lesson here?
ArksNetsSince99, you're a huge weirdo.

:P

[ArksNetsSince99]

I will never get it why grown up man would follow single players instead of a team , what is it about ? It’s like not having enough hero as a kid and filing the void later ?

I don’t get it really, liking the player is one thing , but following the guy from team to team it’s kind of childish, for instance I liked Bruce Brown , now he’s gone from the Nets ,I might go check his stats or watch occasional game ( likely against the nets ) but following him ? No way

And this I only follow KD and Harden these days
KD - because you like snakes ? and Harden because of ? Beard or strip club going ?

I will never get it

GO NETS

Watching strangers play with a ball and personally get excited or upset about it is pretty weird to start with. Not sure any of us have a high moral ground to stand on with this one as to the correct way to do it...

Good response, and it's (sort of) an interesting discussion, yeah?

Like-- who's the 'better' fan? The one that roots for teams, the one that roots for players, or the typically pragmatic MF who's a combination of the two?

TBH, tracking players makes a lot more sense to me as a human bean. Because in that sense, following the person amounts to following an ongoing life-story, with its ups & downs and unending personal developments. The same way we do with other people in the news, or simply ones that we care about. By contrast, following a team? That's a quick lesson in people and programs constantly changing, with absolutely nothing remaining from just a few years prior.

The lesson here?
ArksNetsSince99, you're a huge weirdo.

Idk ,personally for me Team is all it matters in this instance the Nets , yes I don’t like that we get rid of Dragic , Bruce Brown hell even Blake , I wish them good all good luck ( but not against us )

Maybe I’m old style , I grow up in Europe and my local team was like a religion , well more than religion, whole week was spinning around discussions after the game , preparing for next game and the next game
In 1973/1975 my team won championships( way before my time ) and in 1996 bankrupt and got relegated to the sixth league , from 30.000 stadium we went to 500 people opposing crowds , that last for 23 years until my club reached highest level again in 2019 ,23 years of misery but never in doubt to switch clubs or root for anyone else

Why I choosed to watch and root for the Nets ? I have no idea , partly because my soccer team wasn’t on TV anymore , then year later Kidd happened and I was hooked for good

Yeah I’m weirdo and masochist, I was born to one team ( soccer ) which didn’t achieved anything during my lifetime yet , than I choosed Nets and well we went twice to the finals but more miserable seasons than not

Still I can’t imagine to root for the players , not the team , weirdo

[Riconet]

Typical agree to disagree here. It's just I hot facts to go from, not sure what you going of from. Kyrie will fetch 2 unprotected 1st rounders from LA, will Harden or Tobby? I highly doubt it. Should I remind what KD fetching? Speaking of our roster, I can pull up what their asking prices are before BK, beside Maxey entire Philthy roster is trash, and that's me being polite.

We were 40 win team with Patty being best player, how exactly Philthy better team. Can you guarantee without Maxey and Biid they win 40 games? I'll take that bet any day.

I'm happy to agree to disagree, but I don't see any facts in your post. What I am relying on is reality -- the reality that no one other than a desperate Lakers team was interested in Kyrie last summer, and that no one offered the Nets enough for KD to entice them to pull the trigger.

Has anyone credible reported that the Lakers offered 2 unprotected 1sts for Kyrie? All I saw from a credible source was that they offered Westbrook, which the Nets declined -- although I might rather have Westbrook than Kyrie at this point.

As for KD, clearly the Nets didn't get great offers for him, because he's still here. Jalen Brown plus spare parts not including Marcus Smart was the best offer I saw credibly reported. And do you not think that Embiid would return more in trade than KD?

Serious question: do you think the Nets will win more games than the Sixers this year?

[GTR11]

Typical agree to disagree here. It's just I hot facts to go from, not sure what you going of from. Kyrie will fetch 2 unprotected 1st rounders from LA, will Harden or Tobby? I highly doubt it. Should I remind what KD fetching? Speaking of our roster, I can pull up what their asking prices are before BK, beside Maxey entire Philthy roster is trash, and that's me being polite.

We were 40 win team with Patty being best player, how exactly Philthy better team. Can you guarantee without Maxey and Biid they win 40 games? I'll take that bet any day.

I'm happy to agree to disagree, but I don't see any facts in your post. What I am relying on is reality -- the reality that no one other than a desperate Lakers team was interested in Kyrie last summer, and that no one offered the Nets enough for KD to entice them to pull the trigger.

Has anyone credible reported that the Lakers offered 2 unprotected 1sts for Kyrie? All I saw from a credible source was that they offered Westbrook, which the Nets declined -- although I might rather have Westbrook than Kyrie at this point.

As for KD, clearly the Nets didn't get great offers for him, because he's still here. Jalen Brown plus spare parts not including Marcus Smart was the best offer I saw credibly reported. And do you not think that Embiid would return more in trade than KD?

Serious question: do you think the Nets will win more games than the Sixers this year?

Woj and Shams credible as it gets. Kyrie was fetching just one entire summer up until training camp, than they were giving 2027-29 unprotected picks. Desperate or not, them picks worth gold mine that Harden or Tobby won't get.

KD is worth Brown and Williams with 2 picks along. That's more than enough for most guys here, don't trust me, go check off-season board. I won't speak for guys now but I'll do KD and Kyrie trades right now without thinking twice.

Ben? Ben was good enough to get Spida. Pretty good to me. I'll take Suggs from Orlando if they still interested. Plenty more offers to go from that been reported.

Now tell or show me what Tobby, Harden or Maxey fetching I'll wait.

[Decipher]

*YAWN*

STOP LISTENING TO SIXERS FANS ABOUT SIMMONS

His form fell off a cliff well before the Atlanta series and he took a mental health break then

His brother is not his coach, it's Chris Johnson

If Simmons was so resistant to coaching then why would he open himself up to public ridicule by having himself filmed doing the most basic of exercises with Korver?

He's like a golfer with the yips and it's all mental

Sixers fans won't state the obvious as it puts the focus on their team

Funny (not) how Sixers fans (some of whom are never seen on their board) appear here now

I understand your optimism, but I've seen Instagram posts of Simmons finally shooting in the off-season with a new attitude for 6 straight years. Until he shoots right-handed he will not progress, and at the moment he has regressed even further. He is uncoachable. It's the reason he choose LSU and the reason he refused to play at the Sixers.

Don't get me wrong

I am not optimistic about Simmons AT ALL as I have seen nothing to suggest that he's overcome whatever is going on inside his head

I just get annoyed at the lazy (IMO) narratives when the truth is staring people in the face

[ChuckS]

[quote="MrDollarBills"][quote="ChuckS"][quote="MrDollarBills"]


Yeah but KD's turnovers are really hurting us. A good reason why we went down early is because he had some bad turnovers early[/quote]


I'll never argue that turnovers are good or that any do not hurt to a degree. I just believe that KD's are, and have been, the least of our problems when weighed against the totality of his in game contributions and compared to overall team performances. For example I believe that singling out his four turnovers last night, in a dysfunctional and putrid offense, but offset by his four blocks, plus 50% shooting, and game high scoring, presents a distorted view as to cause and an unfair player analysis.

I understood, because of his 39% efficiency, instead of his normal 50%, his playoff criticism. But the hero in our series, Tatum, was held to 36% versus GSW, and he wasn't the only offensive threat on the team, like KD after KAI's first game. Defecation happens! Some even said he quit on the team after he averaged 44 minutes a game for the series and near 47 with a game high 39 points in the final game. In spite of his problems with the Celtics defense, he averaged 26.3 points per game. In all of playoff history only 15 players have averaged more. (I took him out because he has the fourth highest all time playoff scoring average, as well as league average. And there were two others I left in who played only six games.) How many of us can say we were sixteenth best ever in our worst two weeks of work?

I don't know if it is possible for any player to be perfect. (When I was very young I thought Oscar Robertson was, but now I think maybe I missed something.) So I don't fault most criticism. And I am, and have been, so fallible, that perhaps I'm too easy. I remember hating the other teams and their players when I had a home town team. This was particularly true of Boston, except for Hondo. So I don't mean to sound "holier than thou" ever. But it confuses me how viral the criticism of KD is by some of his home town fans, particularly seeing what he has given even after such a serious injury.

Note: If anyone was confused when I wrote Larry Brown in my initial post I apologize, I meant Larry Bird.

[Xtruroyaltyx77]

You should follow your own advice before coming here and telling us what to do. Your team as bad if not worse, and moving forward I'm not sure it will get better for you guys.

Who is my team?


Pretty sure whatever youre thinking is wrong based on that comment.

Anyways address the comment, not the poster.

You came here with same agenda as Philthy trolls and chirping same sh**. No tell us how you not same clown.

Me, I eliminated formality and went straight to the root because I know species like you. Bait than report. Because of clowns like you we missing good guy and one of our own Prok.

Our mods very merciful for your luck.

I have no idea who prok is or what you are incoherently blabbering about.

Good luck with whatever it is you are going through though.

[gigantes]

Watching strangers play with a ball and personally get excited or upset about it is pretty weird to start with. Not sure any of us have a high moral ground to stand on with this one as to the correct way to do it...

Good response, and it's (sort of) an interesting discussion, yeah?

Like-- who's the 'better' fan? The one that roots for teams, the one that roots for players, or the typically pragmatic MF who's a combination of the two?

TBH, tracking players makes a lot more sense to me as a human bean. Because in that sense, following the person amounts to following an ongoing life-story, with its ups & downs and unending personal developments. The same way we do with other people in the news, or simply ones that we care about. By contrast, following a team? That's a quick lesson in people and programs constantly changing, with absolutely nothing remaining from just a few years prior.

The lesson here?
ArksNetsSince99, you're a huge weirdo.

Idk ,personally for me Team is all it matters in this instance the Nets , yes I don’t like that we get rid of Dragic , Bruce Brown hell even Blake , I wish them good all good luck ( but not against us )

Maybe I’m old style , I grow up in Europe and my local team was like a religion , well more than religion, whole week was spinning around discussions after the game , preparing for next game and the next game
In 1973/1975 my team won championships( way before my time ) and in 1996 bankrupt and got relegated to the sixth league , from 30.000 stadium we went to 500 people opposing crowds , that last for 23 years until my club reached highest level again in 2019 ,23 years of misery but never in doubt to switch clubs or root for anyone else

Why I choosed to watch and root for the Nets ? I have no idea , partly because my soccer team wasn’t on TV anymore , then year later Kidd happened and I was hooked for good

Yeah I’m weirdo and masochist, I was born to one team ( soccer ) which didn’t achieved anything during my lifetime yet , than I choosed Nets and well we went twice to the finals but more miserable seasons than not

Still I can’t imagine to root for the players , not the team , weirdo

Haha, well said, mate.
I grew up in Europe only as a toddler, but I think I understand.

More than just following a team, one is following the culture of a team. There's a lot of extra-meaning in that, and a lot of passion and loyalty, typically.

Me, I chose this team after the Dražen Petrović years, actually. In the States I grew up in Philly, but was sick and tired of the endless Iverson drama by 2001, and needed a new team. That's when Jason Kidd (and Rod Thorn) performed magic with the Nets, and I've been a team fan ever since.

Still, I don't have any feeling of 'culture' about the Nets, as everyone has been replaced over the years multiple times since then, from the ball boys up to the owners, and the only place I get together with Nets fans is online now, as I moved out of the area.

Actually, Sean Marks was getting me really interested in 'Nets culture' right up until he signed a pair of turkeys.