PG: They scammed us out of a win

[blueNorange]

between randle, rj, and brunson that's 3 guys who have an inside/out game and robinson who just has an inside game.

ya no space

[Guano]

From the best to the worst individual performances, this was only one game.

We'll know more about the Knicks' players a few months from now.

The instant reactions are fine of course. But there's no conclusion to draw from one game or just a handful of games really.

You're too nice. Ooooor you just really trust in what the numbers say and you're letting your enemies suffer which in that case is pretty fcking admirable considering they were ready to hang you over meaningless wins against lotto teams in the preseason.

On another note, it sucks seeing rj play so horribly. No one that post here as much as team villain does wants to actually see rj play like sht. We want him to succeed because we fck with this team. We just don't see the talent. And that's what this team desperately needs. Fck we need a solid 3 and D wing and he isn't even looking like that right now. Same issues he has had for awhile now - poor decision making(tunnel vision), poor finishing, poor man defense, and most importantly doesn't pass the "that boy is nice" eye test.

[thebuzzardman]

Why can't we ever find a franchise player (or even a great player) on this roster? So sick of it.

We drop to the 3rd pick and miss out on JA and Zion. We draft Obi instead of Hali. The Knox pick. We miss out on Ivey and then DMitch because apparently the FO thinks we have enough talent to try and win without a DMitch. So sick of it.

We simply just do not have a lot of talent compared to almost all rosters in the NBA, including Orlando, Detroit, Cleveland, TWolves, Raptors, Pelicans,

There are 3 teams in the NBA that could be debatable in terms of which roster has the most talent (or least): Wizards, Indiana and Sac. We potentially could have a comparable or better roster than those 3. But that's not a fact, either. Wiz have Beal, Sac has some young solid pieces, same with Indiana.

Knicks are a bottom of the barrel team in the NBA. So little true talent. RJ is not a star, either is JB (although I think he's a great player to have on your roster). Randle is our best player. That's just a fact.

Brunson > Randle

The war launched with a single >

Let the battles begin

[Chanel Bomber]

From the best to the worst individual performances, this was only one game.

We'll know more about the Knicks' players a few months from now.

The instant reactions are fine of course. But there's no conclusion to draw from one game or just a handful of games really.

You're too nice. Ooooor you just really trust in what the numbers say and you're letting your enemies suffer which in that case is pretty fcking admirable considering they were ready to hang you over meaningless wins against lotto teams in the preseason.

On another note, it sucks seeing rj play so horribly. No one that post here as much as team villain does wants to actually see rj play like sht. We want him to succeed because we fck with this team. We just don't see the talent. And that's what this team desperately needs. Fck we need a solid 3 and D wing and he isn't even looking like that right now. Same issues he has had for awhile now - poor decision making(tunnel vision), poor finishing, poor man defense, and most importantly doesn't pass the "that boy is nice" eye test.

I don't know what you're talking about I was just talking about IQ!

[Jimmit79]

I think he puts too much pressure on himself to "match Ja" when we play Memphis.

If RJ thinks he's anywhere on Ja Morants level he needs better people in his life telling him the truth. RJ is trending more towards a homeless mans Evan Turner and his ceiling is now probably a slightly worse Michael Redd.

[god shammgod]

ian saying they're not gonna pay both iq and obi

Read on Twitter

You have been around long enough to tell the difference between opinion and fact, Begley is giving his opinion. Sure it's based on the fact that the Knicks already paid guys like Randle, RJ, Brunson and Mitch so it stands to reason they might not be in a position to pay both Obi and IQ but it still is just his opinion.

to begin with i didn't say it was fact or opinion. i said that he said it. so lighten up francis.

but also...maybe. maybe not. maybe he has more info but he can't release it publicly. who knows.

and i have been here a long time. i remember when nobody liked you....and they still don't

[thebuzzardman]

Are people purposefully ignoring that the trade wasn't just for players? Utah wanted players AND picks... Giving up 3 of RJ, Grimes, Obi, IQ is one thing...but to give that up and 3 unprotected first rounders which lasts through the end of the decade plus another protected pick or two just to get the salaries to match because they didn't want any bad money since the Cavs didn't include any.

This is the difference between the actual trade the Knicks would have needed to make to get Mitchell and the dur dur 'and they wouldn't trade RJ for him' or 'untouchable Grimes' BS the low IQ or trolling posters will posture as for years. These useless opinion folk will stop talking about the trade that didn't happen before the Knicks would have had to finish giving up picks if they made it. So stfu already you whiners.

I, for one, was studiously ignoring all the picks to fit with the rant narrative I wanted to do. When posting here, it's best not to let facts get in the way of things.

[Jimmit79]

I hope when knicks play at garden and whenever RJ gets the ball fans chant we want spida lol.

[thebuzzardman]

ian saying they're not gonna pay both iq and obi

Read on Twitter

How about neither?

[thebuzzardman]

If I had to pick between Obi and IQ, I rather keep Obi

Is third option a shotgun blast to the head? I'll take that.

[KnicksNext]

holy overreaction in here

It would be the exact opposite if RJ had a great first game. All the RJ stans would be in here talking about how RJ should be considered for the all-star game this year. Would be the same overreaction from the other side.

So it would have been the opposite of overreaction, or overreaction from the other side? Your first and last sentences quite contradict each other.

u got the point

[thebuzzardman]

If I had to pick between Obi and IQ, I rather keep Obi

I like Obi more but at this point we know that if he’s getting minutes it’s because Randle isn’t playing well. Might as well trade him. Get a create a player to back up Randle at this point.

Obi has no path to more minutes. Even last year when Julius would be having an awful game throwing tantrums and Obi was balling, hed maybe only get another 3 minutes.

The only paths for more minutes here are at one of the wing/off guard spots and center, which is why Cam and Hartenstein got more time. Brunson, RJ, and Julius are our Big Three (lol) while Fournier and Meech seem capped around 25 mpg. Thibs is not interested in Julius or Obi at the 5.

IQ is our most replaceable young guy. Hope he turns it around of course, but he’s also blocked from more minutes now that we have all these decent guards/wings. Grimes and Cam should be prioritized over him if hes not going to develop any PG skills.

Cam already played the 4 down the stretch over Obi. Its not gonna happen here for Obi or IQ, so dont be surprised if both are traded.

IQ and Obi packaged together should be able to fetch a pair of late 2nd rounders

[KnixtapeH20]

The disrespectful Mitch fans take the huge L tonight .
You deserve the humiliation .

This was the grizzlies C team .
No Brooks or Jjj.
And Mitch looked like a boy among men .

In year 5 and expected something new ,
Blame Thibs,
But I thought he had a pointguard now.
Another fn. L where mitch didn’t do shyt.

LOL this coming from a **** who ain't even watch the game bro shut the **** up

U sound so dumb

[thebuzzardman]

If you could only choose between Brunson or Randle to start a team, which do you take?

If knowledgeable, you take Brunson.

Brunson therefore > Randle.

[bearadonisdna]

The disrespectful Mitch fans take the huge L tonight .
You deserve the humiliation .

This was the grizzlies C team .
No Brooks or Jjj.
And Mitch looked like a boy among men .

In year 5 and expected something new ,
Blame Thibs,
But I thought he had a pointguard now.
Another fn. L where mitch didn’t do shyt.

LOL this coming from a **** who ain't even watch the game bro shut the **** up

U sound so dumb

Saw the 1st six minutes.
Didn’t know it was the bulk of mitchs contributions.
So dude chill, you out here defending 4 points 2 Rebs 5 fouls .

It’s business as usual for your boy Mitch, basically 4 on 5,
His backup had to play 3x the minutes.
Mitch should be giving Hart some his paycheck for yesterdays game .
Stop with mediocrity condoning .
Nobody thinks what Mitch did yesterday was ok but You.

[Knicks Byke]

should've kept Reggie.

[KnixtapeH20]

bottom line rj has to play better, no excuses -- same for robinson

luckily for rj he was mostly missing open shots he usually makes.

this team has no identity or offense.

RJ yes a given.

How exactly would u want Mitch to play better when Ja was attacking the rim every possession and Thibs the genius defensive mastermind he is kept RJ on him. All night.

Would u rather Mitch just not try to protect the paint? Yall realize he played 13 minutes right? U get 6 fouls not 5, Isiah also had 5 fouls, Thibs just fell in love with Isiah for no reason at all but ok.

Same goes for Obi he was 1 for 3, Mitch was 2 for 3. Ppl are acting like they played 30 minutes and went 0 for 20

Neither guy is featured on offense yet fans expect the stat sheet to reflect otherwise?

[thebuzzardman]

IQ should be riding the pine but unfortunately Thibs will give him too many opportunities as Grimes will be in a walking boot until March.

[thebuzzardman]

should've kept Reggie.

Eh, that's ok.

[KnixtapeH20]

The disrespectful Mitch fans take the huge L tonight .
You deserve the humiliation .

This was the grizzlies C team .
No Brooks or Jjj.
And Mitch looked like a boy among men .

In year 5 and expected something new ,
Blame Thibs,
But I thought he had a pointguard now.
Another fn. L where mitch didn’t do shyt.

LOL this coming from a **** who ain't even watch the game bro shut the **** up

U sound so dumb

Saw the 1st six minutes.
Didn’t know it was the bulk of mitchs contributions.
So dude chill, you out here defending 4 points 2 Rebs 5 fouls .

It’s business as usual for your boy Mitch, basically 4 on 5,
His backup had to play 3x the minutes.
Mitch should be giving Hart some his paycheck for yesterdays game .
Stop with mediocrity condoning .
Nobody thinks what Mitch did yesterday was ok but You.

U wanna give some insight on what exactly would be acceptable for Mitch in your eyes? Bc all u do is look at the stat sheet, particularly points n rebounds.

Defense means nothing I guess that's why u love Isiah bc he can't defend anyone and gets abused on the boards. His strength is shooting n passing not defense n rebounding