(LOCK THREAD) The LeBron James - 22-23 NBA Season Thread -NBA's All-Time Scoring Leader!

[Gooner]

Everybody is talking about LBJ not having enough shooters. But I don't remember shooters getting any credit for that Cleveland run in 2018 when LeBron had nothing but shooters around him. This is a shooters league today, and even LBJ can't have a great impact without them.

That team shot 33% from 3 in the playoffs which was 2% below league average.

Kevin Love, JR Smith, Kyle Korver, George Hill are all very good shooters. Look at their career percentages.

[AEnigma]

Wow if only we had any examples of Lebron having great impact with below average shooting support.

Does this schtick ever get old for you.

[Greyhound]

Wow if only we had any examples of Lebron having great impact with below average shooting support.

Does this schtick ever get old for you.

I agree.

It’s not like LeBron is a good but slightly over the hill 38 year old in year twenty (or something). I watched him defeat Father Time several times last night.

No excuses. If you are great, you take your Geritol and carry the bums.

[Jaivl]

Everybody is talking about LBJ not having enough shooters. But I don't remember shooters getting any credit for that Cleveland run in 2018 when LeBron had nothing but shooters around him. This is a shooters league today, and even LBJ can't have a great impact without them.

And why should they? They were shooters, but bad ones (or more precisely way past their primes).

[PistolPeteJR]

Everybody is talking about LBJ not having enough shooters. But I don't remember shooters getting any credit for that Cleveland run in 2018 when LeBron had nothing but shooters around him. This is a shooters league today, and even LBJ can't have a great impact without them.

That team shot 33% from 3 in the playoffs which was 2% below league average.

Don't bother. He's renown to be far from objective when it comes to anything LeBron-related.

[Heej]

Everybody is talking about LBJ not having enough shooters. But I don't remember shooters getting any credit for that Cleveland run in 2018 when LeBron had nothing but shooters around him. This is a shooters league today, and even LBJ can't have a great impact without them.

Everyone knows we sacrificed defense for shooting with that team man's speaking like he happened upon an epiphany here

Giga brain take. "I believe Shooting is important in the modern nba. Please clap"

[Colbinii]

Gooner walking into a Planned Parenthood yelling how horrible Abortion is

[Gooner]

Everybody is talking about LBJ not having enough shooters. But I don't remember shooters getting any credit for that Cleveland run in 2018 when LeBron had nothing but shooters around him. This is a shooters league today, and even LBJ can't have a great impact without them.

And why should they? They were shooters, but bad ones (or more precisely way past their primes).

Those were definitely not bad shooters. Far from it. Check their percentages. That team had a bunch of good players actually. But every teammate of LBJ becomes underappreciated at some point. It never fails.

Gooner walking into a Planned Parenthood yelling how horrible Abortion is

I like your analogy.

[Ian Scuffling]

You know. Odd game to process. When your top 3 guards shoot 1 for 25, you would think it was a blow out, but it wasn't. And please, just ignore goober.

[NRSV]

So disappointing that he gave up on winning when he’s still this good. The math’s just not mathing. He puts in so much effort to remain elite but then resigns with an utterly incompetent and hopeless team. So odd.

He wants to be remembered as a Laker. He knows it’s the most beloved franchise in the league. He knows the currency that comes with being a Laker. He really did give up on chasing rings though. He feels like he secured his legacy in 2016 and the Laker ring is icing on the cake. Playing with his son will be the last feather in the cap.

I do agree with you that this is very disappointing tho.

[falcolombardi]

I still insist trading turner for westbrook would solve so many of these teams problems

Trading a bad defensive guard for an all-D big and somehow improving your spacing? Beverley-reaves-lebron-davis-turner would be a much better team

[AEnigma]

Everybody is talking about LBJ not having enough shooters. But I don't remember shooters getting any credit for that Cleveland run in 2018 when LeBron had nothing but shooters around him. This is a shooters league today, and even LBJ can't have a great impact without them.

And why should they? They were shooters, but bad ones (or more precisely way past their primes).

Those were definitely not bad shooters. Far from it. Check their percentages. That team had a bunch of good players actually. But every teammate of LBJ becomes underappreciated at some point. It never fails.

Maybe because all his teammates decline faster than he does.

Gooner walking into a Planned Parenthood yelling how horrible Abortion is

I like your analogy.

Tracks.

[thebigbird]

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[PistolPeteJR]

Everybody is talking about LBJ not having enough shooters. But I don't remember shooters getting any credit for that Cleveland run in 2018 when LeBron had nothing but shooters around him. This is a shooters league today, and even LBJ can't have a great impact without them.

And why should they? They were shooters, but bad ones (or more precisely way past their primes).

Those were definitely not bad shooters. Far from it. Check their percentages. That team had a bunch of good players actually. But every teammate of LBJ becomes underappreciated at some point. It never fails.

Gooner walking into a Planned Parenthood yelling how horrible Abortion is

I like your analogy.

RS
Jeff Green - 31.5 3PT% in 2016, 27.5 3PT% in 2017, 31.2 3PT% in 2018. - Yeah, great shooter historically.
Jordan Clarkson - 34.7 3PT% in 2016, 32.9 3PT% in 2017, 40.7 3PT% in 2018. - Great shooter historically.
Kevin Love - 36.0 3PT% in 2016, 37.3 3PT% in 2017, 41.5 3PT% in 2018. Great shooter historically.
JR Smith - 40.0 3PT% in 2016, 35.1 3PT% in 2017, 37.5 3PT% in 2018.
George Hill - 40.8 3PT% in 2016, 40.3 3PT% in 2017, 35.1 3PT% in 2018 for the Cavs.
Rodney Hood - 35.9 3PT% in 2016, 37.1 3PT% in 2017, 35.2 3PT% in 2018 for the Cavs. Great shooter historically.

Outside of the fact that most weren't great shooters historically, what's the common denominator here?

Hill and Hood, two key pieces in the Cavs' deadline trade, shot worse for the Cavs than they did for anyone else prior, and this is only in the RS. Why? Most likely, acquired late in the season and had to figure it out. Whose fault is that? The FO, obviously. Is ~35% from deep good? I trust you know the answer to that question.

Moreover, JR was average from deep, and Green was bad. Love and Clarkson were good, that's it. Korver was good too but was an even bigger defensive liability, hence not playing him much.

In the playoffs, the Cavs shot 33.1 3PT%, the second-worst team in the playoffs that year behind only San Antonio, who only played 5 games in the playoffs.

PS
Kevin Love went from 41.5 3PT% in the RS to 34.0 3PT%. Is that good?
JR Smith went from 37.5 3PT% in the RS to 36.7 3PT%. Is that good?
George Hill went from 35.1 3PT% in the RS to 31.4 3PT%. Is that good?
Jordan Clarkson went from 40.7 3PT% in the RS to 23.9 3PT%. Is that good?
Jeff Green went from 31.2 3PT% in the RS to 30.0 3PT%. Is that good?
Rodney Hood went from 35.2 3PT% in the RS to 16.7 3PT%. Is that good?

Whether they were acquired at the deadline or not, the best shooter, JR, was average at best. The rest were all hot garbage.

So please, present the facts that prove they weren't trash. Else, spew completely false trash outside of here.

[G35]

Lebron is not that far off from WB in trade value.

Why would any up and coming team want Lebron? They dysfunction? The $44M contract? Probably not going to get along with the coach. Probably going to tell the GM to trade every player under 25 for a Klutch client.

It is similar to Draymond where he is better off where he is because its not going to work anywhere else. Draymond knows he's going to sign that PO. Lebron knows he can't get everything he wants anywhere else, and he can always blame Pelinka for the roster.....

[Colbinii]

Lebron is not that far off from WB in trade value.

Why would any up and coming team want Lebron? They dysfunction? The $44M contract? Probably not going to get along with the coach. Probably going to tell the GM to trade every player under 25 for a Klutch client.

It is similar to Draymond where he is better off where he is because its not going to work anywhere else. Draymond knows he's going to sign that PO. Lebron knows he can't get everything he wants anywhere else, and he can always blame Pelinka for the roster.....

LeBron got along with Mike Brown, Eric Spoelstra, Ty Lue and Frank Vogel.

LeBron also isn't tradeable this season due to when he signed the extension, and LeBron had full autonomy and control over when he signed the extension, something we can decipher as LeBron wanting to stay in LA--through thick and thin.

But, regardless of these facts you will ignore, LeBron has significantly more value than WB. Thanks for the new SIGG35, you are a treasure.

[Mos_Heat]

Lebron is not that far off from WB in trade value.

Why would any up and coming team want Lebron? They dysfunction? The $44M contract? Probably not going to get along with the coach. Probably going to tell the GM to trade every player under 25 for a Klutch client.

It is similar to Draymond where he is better off where he is because its not going to work anywhere else. Draymond knows he's going to sign that PO. Lebron knows he can't get everything he wants anywhere else, and he can always blame Pelinka for the roster.....

Poor Pelinka, if only he had a chance...

[Colbinii]

Lebron is not that far off from WB in trade value.

Why would any up and coming team want Lebron? They dysfunction? The $44M contract? Probably not going to get along with the coach. Probably going to tell the GM to trade every player under 25 for a Klutch client.

It is similar to Draymond where he is better off where he is because its not going to work anywhere else. Draymond knows he's going to sign that PO. Lebron knows he can't get everything he wants anywhere else, and he can always blame Pelinka for the roster.....

I started a thread for you over at the T&T board, a board where LeBron isn't front and center like his own thread on the PC Board.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2233768

Feel free to chime in there, Tiger.

[falcolombardi]

I am probably not gonna watch lakers this season until they trade westbrook for myles turner

I am -invested- now lol. If i say it enough times it has to happen right?

[Joao Saraiva]

Lebron is not that far off from WB in trade value.

Why would any up and coming team want Lebron? They dysfunction? The $44M contract? Probably not going to get along with the coach. Probably going to tell the GM to trade every player under 25 for a Klutch client.

It is similar to Draymond where he is better off where he is because its not going to work anywhere else. Draymond knows he's going to sign that PO. Lebron knows he can't get everything he wants anywhere else, and he can always blame Pelinka for the roster.....

LeBron still has value to a ton of teams. Westbrook is pretty much incompatible with any roster... fitting a point guard who can't shoot, isn't a good decision maker and is a punch player that doesn't want to be on the bench is impossible.

LBJ can play as the ball handler and he's still elite at that, and also can play the PF spot pretty well, but you gotta have a C that can defend.

If for example Dallas can fit LBJ into a PF spot he definitely makes them a brutal team for example. He has to play the PF and not take away Doncic from the primary option tough. But I guess it can be done, he accepted playing PF and let Wade run in the perimeter before.

About the disfunction he can bring... that is where a good organization comes up. You can't be his puppet, but you gotta bring good decisions to the table like the Heat did. Or he won't shut up. But the GM has to be strong enough to follow what he believes. If wins come, he'll shut up for sure.

The Lakers are disfunctional because that's what they are - a very poor organization. They manage good names because they're the Lakers. They already should've traded Westbrook for a beer and sandwich if needed. They should have not let Danny Green go or Caruso. KCP was definitely a must keep for them. They need to stop hiring bad shooters and put em all on the court. It's not gonna do it. I don't even care if the shooters are shooting well - Danny Green surely wasn't. But as long as you have to respect their shot LBJ and Davis are still a dangerous offensive duo.