Joel: unchained.

[76ciology]

He's our franchise player and he's going to be in the hall of fame one day. At this point, just keep him until he retires. We just have to work around his lesser traits like his diminishing athleticism, his poor conditioning, and his low basketball IQ. We can overcome those things by putting a lot of youth and skill around him. Not old men.

+1.

Im more of on the “let’s work with what we’re dealt with” camp

[Bum Adebayo]

The problem is that it's never going to work in playoffs, there is a reason we have been 2nd round fodder 4 of the last 5 years, 2020 1st round becasue we got Celtics earlier. And the common denominator is Embiid, he was there each of the 5 editions.
I understand if people are content with being a threadmill team, but I thought we tanked so hard under Hinkie to be something different than the Portlands of the world.

[Kobblehead]

If things don't work out this year or the next, Harden leaves via free agency, we probably trade Embiid with three years left on his deal, and we build around Maxey.

We're just not there yet so nothing will happen before that.

It's not an impossibility that this team can be saved. It would probably take a Sam Cassel takeover mid-season.

[HardenGoat]

Embiid just might have to accept being 2/3 option more often than not. If the team gets into a Maxey and Harden tandem that’s going to cause defenses to double them. Doc needs to focus on that with plays involving screens, drives, and kick outs by those two. I can already see Harden is moving in that direction. He wants to win. Nothing more.. nothing less. Embiid might just be resisting this right now but his play is not getting it done. I give Harden about 10 games and if it continues he’s going to take over.

[phillynative]

I hope you dolts know that trading Embiid means we start over. You don't trade stars for stars in this league..its pick packages and with Harden aging, that would be useless.

but then again I do wish we trade him so yall can move onto the next whipping boy

No they probably think we would get Zion williams and Ingram back

[phillynative]

Obviously trade talk is crazy but I’m glad Embiid is receiving a lot of heat directly. He’s avoided a lot of criticism over the years due to roster construction and general Sixers drama. But he’s developed some really bad habits and deserves to be roasted for them.

I'm fine with this too but let's not act like the team can make some noise without him. Without him it's rebuild time unless we get lucky.

[SixthStreet]

He's still adjusting to the PnR role looks Harden gives him. For some players used to creating their own offense, receiving the ball with space throws off their timing and decision making (see Harden's indecision on the catch when Maxey or Embiid create space for him he's not used to). I see him thinking a lot on the catch and hypothesize that it's affecting his shooting. He's missing easy mid range shots he usually hits at a high rate. He'll be fine.

I'm also encouraged that his effort output level is lower than previous years. It may look lazy but I bet it will payoff if he's healthy come playoff time.

[phillynative]

Embiid just might have to accept being 2/3 option more often than not. If the team gets into a Maxey and Harden tandem that’s going to cause defenses to double them. Doc needs to focus on that with plays involving screens, drives, and kick outs by those two. I can already see Harden is moving in that direction. He wants to win. Nothing more.. nothing less. Embiid might just be resisting this right now but his play is not getting it done. I give Harden about 10 games and if it continues he’s going to take over.

Lol jusr like he took over the last 2 games and still resulted in Losses. I get that you want to relieve the Houston Harden days but they're gone. Embiid MVP chances are likely gone as well. At the end of the day Harden or Embiid dominating a regular season doesnt scare anyone anymore because they have shown consistently to crumble in the playoffs. Its a new chapter the end game is a championship and the only way they win one is if both Harden and Embiid are on their A game on the same page. Them together being able to dominate is the only threat.

[FireMorey]

Dude was the best player in the NBA last season and after two bad games people are talking trades lmao.

[76ciology]

Its not that.

Again, you need to look at Jo objectively. Those labels were the same thing that gets you guys blinded with Ben with all the “all nba” and “special player” labels.

For instance this “best player” what’s the metrics? Because in general, it was Jokic. And if you say its because of 30ppg average sure its because he was dropping 50 against lottery teams like the Magic or weak defensive teams like Hornets. If Embiid plays next game against the Spurs, I again expect him to pump up his scoring.

I think this offseason we looked at Biid objectively, thats why we added so much depth that I think we can play without Embiid. And this squad has been better without Embiid since the preseason.

What frustrates me in last game against the Bucks was when i called for doc to sat him out because he is CLEARLY hurting us, we made that 13-0 run. But then we revert back and put him back again.

This is a players’ league so who knows.. maybe we win the game but biid calls for doc to be fired because of that

[76ciology]

He's our franchise player and he's going to be in the hall of fame one day. At this point, just keep him until he retires. We just have to work around his lesser traits like his diminishing athleticism, his poor conditioning, and his low basketball IQ. We can overcome those things by putting a lot of youth and skill around him. Not old men.

+1.

Im more of on the “let’s work with what we’re dealt with” camp

I’ve always said we need to build a team when Biid is just spiritually absent. I thought we had that with this squad. And we saw how we went into that 13-0 in a snap of a finger.

What Doc needs to do is have some balls to put Biid in the doghouse when he plays like this.

Local media is soft. They are delicate with how they comment on Embiid or if the truth is opposite to what the fanbase wants to believe. But the media should have the balls to ask why doc didnt bench Biid earlier and to close the game. Which proved to be the right thing to do that allows us to keep the game close.

Imagine the morale of this team if they can experience beating the bucks with Biid at the bench. Maybe it can bring back the old harden and the bench players could get more confidence.

The way we handled it last game was just bad for the locker room. As a leader, you should LEAD BY EXAMPLE. Bad game? Maintain composure. And as a bench guy, the coach should have a “next man up” mentality. What good is getting ready when you should be out there but the coach plays his favorite who’s struggling?

[Bum Adebayo]

Agree, we need to be unbiased here, there is nothing more unbiased than +/-, and Embiid had the worst +/- in each of the 2 games this season, he is clearly the issue here.

[76ciology]

Agree, we need to be unbiased here, there is nothing more unbiased than +/-, and Embiid had the worst +/- in each of the 2 games this season, he is clearly the issue here.

Yes. And this goes back to preseason. But its just 2 games.

rather than blaming and trying to drive someone out of here, we should focus on solutions instead.

And you can get solutions if you dont view a problem objectively.

[Mik317]

Its not that.

Again, you need to look at Jo objectively. Those labels were the same thing that gets you guys blinded with Ben with all the “all nba” and “special player” labels.

For instance this “best player” what’s the metrics? Because in general, it was Jokic. And if you say its because of 30ppg average sure its because he was dropping 50 against lottery teams like the Magic or weak defensive teams like Hornets. If Embiid plays next game against the Spurs, I again expect him to pump up his scoring.

I think this offseason we looked at Biid objectively, thats why we added so much depth that I think we can play without Embiid. And this squad has been better without Embiid since the preseason.

What frustrates me in last game against the Bucks was when i called for doc to sat him out because he is CLEARLY hurting us, we made that 13-0 run. But then we revert back and put him back again. But then.. this is a players’ league so who knows.. maybe we win the game but biid calls for doc to be fired because of that

I think this narrative that Biid will throw his weight around to get his way is offbase just by looking at all the dumb **** that happened prior. He's not going to lobby to get Doc fired lol. He didn't lobby to get Brett fired. Didn't even really lobby to get BC outta here. The team also spent most of his career building around the other guy.

Also this weird narrative you and others are pushing that Embiid has always actually been a bad player is also nuts. He's playing like **** and is being a big baby about it for sure but this idea that we should just trade him or build around a guy who btw also chokes in the playoffs with a gimmick small ball system is actually the wave is insane to me....especially after 2 **** games. Like what are we even talking about?

AND again again, trading Embiid equals a rebuild...not contention...and since we owe picks that would be insanely stupid.

Sometimes the move isn't finding a scapegoat to trade and everything will just get better...been trying that for all of my life. The past champs all have a core of dudes that stuck together for a bit before pulling through. Korkmaz is our second longest tenure guy FFS.

I'm am tired of this same song and dance of keep trading half the team in hopes of getting the perfect squad. Its not happening.
Your team is going to have nights and maybe even weeks in which they look like ****...I rememeber visiting the Warriors board and saw someone call Steph...a Light Skinned Kyle Korver with an under armour contract. Lets not be like that guy.

[HardenGoat]

Embiid just might have to accept being 2/3 option more often than not. If the team gets into a Maxey and Harden tandem that’s going to cause defenses to double them. Doc needs to focus on that with plays involving screens, drives, and kick outs by those two. I can already see Harden is moving in that direction. He wants to win. Nothing more.. nothing less. Embiid might just be resisting this right now but his play is not getting it done. I give Harden about 10 games and if it continues he’s going to take over.

Lol just like he took over the last 2 games and still resulted in Losses. I get that you want to relieve the Houston Harden days but they're gone. Embiid MVP chances are likely gone as well. At the end of the day Harden or Embiid dominating a regular season doesnt scare anyone anymore because they have shown consistently to crumble in the playoffs. Its a new chapter the end game is a championship and the only way they win one is if both Harden and Embiid are on their A game on the same page. Them together being able to dominate is the only threat.

I completely agree, I don't believe for a minute Houston Harden is any way to win a chip and he doesn't either. What Iam talking about is a player adjusting when teams are denying him his cookies. And a coach that has another backup system to execute like a two guard attack with kickouts (yes similar to houston/suns). I think the personnel are there but they don't have a good screening system set up yet, they will though, this is a building team. What Harden failed at in the past was running into a dynastic warriors team and then having his hammy tear (and dealing with the flat earthling). If he plays at this level and they work the kinks out for the system, this team is going deep and can win it all. They weren't going anywhere without a healthy Harden though. I would plan on building a team system that lacks a healthy Embiid right now because that is how he is playing. Release Maxey!

[Ferry Avenue]

The problem with Embiid is that he consistently demonstrates behavior incompatible with the drive to win a championship. He doesn't do it 100 percent of the time, but he does it consistently, and certainly enough to derail the team from ever playing at that level, at least as long as he's the player it features. Most years it's downtrodden behavior that makes him show up at a much more limited level in an important game(s). This year it's starting the season in that fashion, when he should be trying to help the team quickly establish something different and better than it's exhibited in past years, and carry that spirit forth throughout the season in the effort to shoot for a better outcome. He should have his eyes on the prize and that should be determining the spirit with which he plays.

He bitches and moans that the team needs to be infused with toughness, the team goes out and gets exactly the player he wanted for that (Tucker), and Embiid shows up to start the season the very opposite of tough himself. When combined with past years of similar issues, it clearly makes him not a leader and not a player to build a team around. He's essentially a baby and will probably never play with the maturity necessary to lead a team to a championship.

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[Bum Adebayo]

Here they come, the injury excuses, it's always because he is injured that he plays bad, I guess it's similar to Nadal's "undefeated when healthy"!

[Ferry Avenue]

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There is a frequent negative emotional component of Embiid's game that's independent of injury or physical conditioning.

[HHS43]

Here they come, the injury excuses, it's always because he is injured that he plays bad, I guess it's similar to Nadal's "undefeated when healthy"!

There is always a way to get into shape if you really want to. For instance swimming is an excellent way to exercise every part of your body plus your wind. If he and did have plantar fasciitis, he could’ve been in the pool every day swimming laps to stay in shape. It’s a BS weak ass excuse in my humble opinion.