Around the NBA - Offseason 2022 Continued

[KnicksGadfly]

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Something is def wrong with this dude

I need this sort of confidence in my life, not gonna lie

[GEOLINK]

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Something is def wrong with this dude

Yeah, he doesn't want to be on the Lakers anymore

[thebuzzardman]

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Something is def wrong with this dude

I need this sort of confidence in my life, not gonna lie

He needs to run for political office, the higher the better, for his chances of winning

[8516knicks]

I would honestly offer RJ for those two Lakers picks

Yeah but you'd probably also offer RJ for Matt Ryan and Scotty Pippen Jr.

I have said Randle + RJ for both Lakers picks should be considered.

The case for it is you put yourself in a better position to tank while removing two high-volume low-efficiency player who heavily contribute to making this team the low-ceiling treadmill that it is.

Then there's the uncertainty of the two unprotected Lakers picks. It's not unreasonable to assume the Lakers will be a huge player in free agency, especially under the next CBA, but they are in a horrible position to rebuild for the late 2020s barring a major haul in FA. Luka is presumably their target but he only becomes a UFA in 2027, which means they could be a bottom team when the first pick conveys.

Of course, it all depends on our valuation of RJ and Randle. If you view either one as a star, I obviously get the pushback.

This team needs elite talent. Whether through the draft or through a trade for a star. This trade would create a pathway for the first outcome. Of course, you also need to draft well.

I'm not sure I can take another tank job but realistically from my point of view that wouldn't be such a bad decision.

PS: I'm not sure such a deal is even possible now because of the PPP.

Overwhelmed with acronyms. What is PPP, the Chinese Communist Party?

[Capn'O]

I would honestly offer RJ for those two Lakers picks

Yeah but you'd probably also offer RJ for Matt Ryan and Scotty Pippen Jr.

I have said Randle + RJ for both Lakers picks should be considered.

The case for it is you put yourself in a better position to tank while removing two high-volume low-efficiency player who heavily contribute to making this team the low-ceiling treadmill that it is.

Then there's the uncertainty of the two unprotected Lakers picks. It's not unreasonable to assume the Lakers will be a huge player in free agency, especially under the next CBA, but they are in a horrible position to rebuild for the late 2020s barring a major haul in FA. Luka is presumably their target but he only becomes a UFA in 2027, which means they could be a bottom team when the first pick conveys.

Of course, it all depends on our valuation of RJ and Randle. If you view either one as a star, I obviously get the pushback.

This team needs elite talent. Whether through the draft or through a trade for a star. This trade would create a pathway for the first outcome. Of course, you also need to draft well.

I'm not sure I can take another tank job but realistically from my point of view that wouldn't be such a bad decision.

PS: I'm not sure such a deal is even possible now because of the PPP.

I could be sold on that plan if it were part of a coordinated effort to do a full teardown and tank this year. I presume you mean with RWB coming back.

[Chanel Bomber]

Yeah but you'd probably also offer RJ for Matt Ryan and Scotty Pippen Jr.

I have said Randle + RJ for both Lakers picks should be considered.

The case for it is you put yourself in a better position to tank while removing two high-volume low-efficiency player who heavily contribute to making this team the low-ceiling treadmill that it is.

Then there's the uncertainty of the two unprotected Lakers picks. It's not unreasonable to assume the Lakers will be a huge player in free agency, especially under the next CBA, but they are in a horrible position to rebuild for the late 2020s barring a major haul in FA. Luka is presumably their target but he only becomes a UFA in 2027, which means they could be a bottom team when the first pick conveys.

Of course, it all depends on our valuation of RJ and Randle. If you view either one as a star, I obviously get the pushback.

This team needs elite talent. Whether through the draft or through a trade for a star. This trade would create a pathway for the first outcome. Of course, you also need to draft well.

I'm not sure I can take another tank job but realistically from my point of view that wouldn't be such a bad decision.

PS: I'm not sure such a deal is even possible now because of the PPP.

Overwhelmed with acronyms. What is PPP, the Chinese Communist Party?

Poison Pill Provision.

[Chanel Bomber]

Yeah but you'd probably also offer RJ for Matt Ryan and Scotty Pippen Jr.

I have said Randle + RJ for both Lakers picks should be considered.

The case for it is you put yourself in a better position to tank while removing two high-volume low-efficiency player who heavily contribute to making this team the low-ceiling treadmill that it is.

Then there's the uncertainty of the two unprotected Lakers picks. It's not unreasonable to assume the Lakers will be a huge player in free agency, especially under the next CBA, but they are in a horrible position to rebuild for the late 2020s barring a major haul in FA. Luka is presumably their target but he only becomes a UFA in 2027, which means they could be a bottom team when the first pick conveys.

Of course, it all depends on our valuation of RJ and Randle. If you view either one as a star, I obviously get the pushback.

This team needs elite talent. Whether through the draft or through a trade for a star. This trade would create a pathway for the first outcome. Of course, you also need to draft well.

I'm not sure I can take another tank job but realistically from my point of view that wouldn't be such a bad decision.

PS: I'm not sure such a deal is even possible now because of the PPP.

I could be sold on that plan if it were part of a coordinated effort to do a full teardown and tank this year. I presume you mean with RWB coming back.

Absolutely.

Trade Brunson to a destination of his choice as well, unless he gets hurt or agrees to some heavy load management.

Ship Fournier too.

I'd monitor Rose as well. I like him as a locker room presence, and his game seems to have declined so he may not be the level of player who impacts winning like he was two years ago. Otherwise ship him to a contender before the trade deadline.

I agree this would need to be a full teardown with a clear purpose. One move wouldn't be enough.

I'm not sure I'd even have the stomach to go through a teardown for more than a year or two. But I think it would make sense at this juncture for this franchise. Hopefully they can pull a rabbit out of their hat. Or, as you said, one of our players makes a star leap.

PS: Yes, with Brodie coming back.

[Capn'O]

I have said Randle + RJ for both Lakers picks should be considered.

The case for it is you put yourself in a better position to tank while removing two high-volume low-efficiency player who heavily contribute to making this team the low-ceiling treadmill that it is.

Then there's the uncertainty of the two unprotected Lakers picks. It's not unreasonable to assume the Lakers will be a huge player in free agency, especially under the next CBA, but they are in a horrible position to rebuild for the late 2020s barring a major haul in FA. Luka is presumably their target but he only becomes a UFA in 2027, which means they could be a bottom team when the first pick conveys.

Of course, it all depends on our valuation of RJ and Randle. If you view either one as a star, I obviously get the pushback.

This team needs elite talent. Whether through the draft or through a trade for a star. This trade would create a pathway for the first outcome. Of course, you also need to draft well.

I'm not sure I can take another tank job but realistically from my point of view that wouldn't be such a bad decision.

PS: I'm not sure such a deal is even possible now because of the PPP.

I could be sold on that plan if it were part of a coordinated effort to do a full teardown and tank this year. I presume you mean with RWB coming back.

Absolutely.

Trade Brunson to a destination of his choice as well, unless he gets hurt or agrees to some heavy load management.

Ship Fournier too.

I'd monitor Rose as well. I like him as a locker room presence, and his game seems to have declined so he may not be the level of player who impacts winning like he was two years ago. Otherwise ship him to a contender before the trade deadline.

I agree this would need to be a full teardown with a clear purpose. One move wouldn't be enough.

I'm not sure I'd even have the stomach to go through a teardown for more than a year or two. But I think it would make sense at this juncture for this franchise. Hopefully they can pull a rabbit out of their hat. Or, as you said, one of our players makes a star leap.

I could do it. I've been here this long. The problem, as you know, is they go one way and then another. So hopefully their acumen on one or more of these young guys pays.

Assuming they don't go full tank, which I assume, I'm hoping whoever made the Hart move has some clout. Those are the kind of moves they have needed to be doing for awhile. Frankly... regardless of whether he pans, Cam type moves are too. Cheap value plays.

[Chanel Bomber]

I could be sold on that plan if it were part of a coordinated effort to do a full teardown and tank this year. I presume you mean with RWB coming back.

Absolutely.

Trade Brunson to a destination of his choice as well, unless he gets hurt or agrees to some heavy load management.

Ship Fournier too.

I'd monitor Rose as well. I like him as a locker room presence, and his game seems to have declined so he may not be the level of player who impacts winning like he was two years ago. Otherwise ship him to a contender before the trade deadline.

I agree this would need to be a full teardown with a clear purpose. One move wouldn't be enough.

I'm not sure I'd even have the stomach to go through a teardown for more than a year or two. But I think it would make sense at this juncture for this franchise. Hopefully they can pull a rabbit out of their hat. Or, as you said, one of our players makes a star leap.

I could do it. I've been here this long. The problem, as you know, is they go one way and then another. So hopefully their acumen on one or more of these young guys pays.

Assuming they don't go full tank, which I assume, I'm hoping whoever made the Hart move has some clout. Those are the kind of moves they have needed to be doing for awhile. Frankly... regardless of whether he pans, Cam type moves are too. Cheap value plays.

Yeah they always half-ass whatever it is they're doing.

I actually disagree with your second paragraph. I hated these moves, and this type of moves. They essentially traded two firsts for Cam Reddish and Hartenstein, assuming the Kemba trade with Detroit was separate from the MJ trade. I can't support that.

I don't like these cheap value trades because they distract us from the lack of a meaningful trade. Sure they can make the difference if you're already building a good team, or if you're a contender, but otherwise? I think they're just a distraction.

[Capn'O]

Absolutely.

Trade Brunson to a destination of his choice as well, unless he gets hurt or agrees to some heavy load management.

Ship Fournier too.

I'd monitor Rose as well. I like him as a locker room presence, and his game seems to have declined so he may not be the level of player who impacts winning like he was two years ago. Otherwise ship him to a contender before the trade deadline.

I agree this would need to be a full teardown with a clear purpose. One move wouldn't be enough.

I'm not sure I'd even have the stomach to go through a teardown for more than a year or two. But I think it would make sense at this juncture for this franchise. Hopefully they can pull a rabbit out of their hat. Or, as you said, one of our players makes a star leap.

I could do it. I've been here this long. The problem, as you know, is they go one way and then another. So hopefully their acumen on one or more of these young guys pays.

Assuming they don't go full tank, which I assume, I'm hoping whoever made the Hart move has some clout. Those are the kind of moves they have needed to be doing for awhile. Frankly... regardless of whether he pans, Cam type moves are too. Cheap value plays.

Yeah they always half-ass whatever it is they're doing.

I actually disagree with your second paragraph. I hated these moves, and this type of moves. They essentially traded two firsts for Cam Reddish and Hartenstein, assuming the Kemba trade with Detroit was separate from the MJ trade. I can't support that.

I don't like these cheap value trades because they distract us from the lack of a meaningful trade. Sure they can make the difference if you're already building a good team, or if you're a contender, but otherwise? I think they're just a distraction.

Understand your position on the Cam trade. With regards to Hart, I meant strictly the targeting and signing. The asset management was poor but he's the kind of free agent target that can help us build. Depends on the GM but IMO Hart has more value in a trade than a middling first. You know what you're getting.

[3toheadmelo]

Doc Rivers is mediocre as a coach but this is incredible

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[Chanel Bomber]

I could do it. I've been here this long. The problem, as you know, is they go one way and then another. So hopefully their acumen on one or more of these young guys pays.

Assuming they don't go full tank, which I assume, I'm hoping whoever made the Hart move has some clout. Those are the kind of moves they have needed to be doing for awhile. Frankly... regardless of whether he pans, Cam type moves are too. Cheap value plays.

Yeah they always half-ass whatever it is they're doing.

I actually disagree with your second paragraph. I hated these moves, and this type of moves. They essentially traded two firsts for Cam Reddish and Hartenstein, assuming the Kemba trade with Detroit was separate from the MJ trade. I can't support that.

I don't like these cheap value trades because they distract us from the lack of a meaningful trade. Sure they can make the difference if you're already building a good team, or if you're a contender, but otherwise? I think they're just a distraction.

Understand your position on the Cam trade. With regards to Hart, I meant strictly the targeting and signing. The asset management was poor but he's the kind of free agent target that can help us build. Depends on the GM but IMO Hart has more value in a trade than a middling first. You know what you're getting.

I do think the uncertainty of a middling first has more value than the certainty of a player like Hartenstein, but agree to disagree. I guess it also depends on the type of team you're talking to though. Some teams do look for predictable value.

[Capn'O]

Yeah they always half-ass whatever it is they're doing.

I actually disagree with your second paragraph. I hated these moves, and this type of moves. They essentially traded two firsts for Cam Reddish and Hartenstein, assuming the Kemba trade with Detroit was separate from the MJ trade. I can't support that.

I don't like these cheap value trades because they distract us from the lack of a meaningful trade. Sure they can make the difference if you're already building a good team, or if you're a contender, but otherwise? I think they're just a distraction.

Understand your position on the Cam trade. With regards to Hart, I meant strictly the targeting and signing. The asset management was poor but he's the kind of free agent target that can help us build. Depends on the GM but IMO Hart has more value in a trade than a middling first. You know what you're getting.

I do think the uncertainty of a middling first has more value than the certainty of a player like Hartenstein, but agree to disagree. I guess it also depends on the type of team you're talking to though. Some teams do look for predictable value.

I was just reading that Ainge, for example, reads it that way.

Obviously, he likes far off, unprotected picks the most but near term lower picks make him more anxious than a set value at good cost. Presti would take your stance.

[Chanel Bomber]

Understand your position on the Cam trade. With regards to Hart, I meant strictly the targeting and signing. The asset management was poor but he's the kind of free agent target that can help us build. Depends on the GM but IMO Hart has more value in a trade than a middling first. You know what you're getting.

I do think the uncertainty of a middling first has more value than the certainty of a player like Hartenstein, but agree to disagree. I guess it also depends on the type of team you're talking to though. Some teams do look for predictable value.

I was just reading that Ainge, for example, reads it that way.

Obviously, he likes far off, unprotected picks the most but near term lower picks make him more anxious than a set value at good cost. Presti would take your stance.

That's an interesting way to frame it.

Ainge is an interesting case because he is quite radical in his approach to team building (in a positive way) yet he has been on both sides: contending for championships, and complete teardowns. I like the fact that he has been able to adapt to both situations and identify the needs of his teams.

The timeline on which teams operate is key in weighing the value of these assets, of course. Golden State right now are an interesting case study - although their books kind of dictate that they value their rookie contracts.

[Capn'O]

This Mathurin guy is a freakin' problem.

[Capn'O]

I do think the uncertainty of a middling first has more value than the certainty of a player like Hartenstein, but agree to disagree. I guess it also depends on the type of team you're talking to though. Some teams do look for predictable value.

I was just reading that Ainge, for example, reads it that way.

Obviously, he likes far off, unprotected picks the most but near term lower picks make him more anxious than a set value at good cost. Presti would take your stance.

That's an interesting way to frame it.

Ainge is an interesting case because he is quite radical in his approach to team building (in a positive way) yet he has been on both sides: contending for championships, and complete teardowns. I like the fact that he has been able to adapt to both situations and identify the needs of his teams.

The timeline on which teams operate is key in weighing the value of these assets, of course. Golden State right now are an interesting case study - although their books kind of dictate that they value their rookie contracts.

It was how Ainge framed it in the article I read. Even look at the most recent trade negotiations - he obviously valued Grimes more than the conditional picks. Of course, what he really wanted were our far off picks without conditions.

[robillionaire]

This Mathurin guy is a freakin' problem.

From what little I’ve seen he looks like the next great player

[Jay10]

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Something is def wrong with this dude

The reporter asked a dumb question and Russell gave him a dumb answer.

Russ should be on small market team enjoying his curtain call but he is placed in a shtty situation that spot lights his flaws and asked to be something he isn't. And he is getting the blame of others mistakes. I hate it for him. He deserve better than this.

I knew the moment the trade happened it was going to end up like this. Russell put himself in a situation where he's going to be blamed for every loss, and Lebron is going to get the praise after every win.

[Galvationknicks]

Jazz beat wolves lol

[Jay10]

Jazz beat wolves lol

Danny Ainge =