GT: Nets Vs Raptors- 7:30

[Papi_swav]

Nice win, we played really good defense in the 4th when we needed to. Royce Oneal is a dog and a great pickup. Kyrie needs to stop thinking he's Kobe, he rushed too many shots up for no reason. Raps have no bench right now.

[Papi_swav]

I remember we use to think JKidd was a horrible coach but Nash makes Kidd look like Popovich lol he's sooooo bad I think I can do a better job then him. He needs to go, get anybody with experience that knows the basic fundamentals of coaching because Nash doesn't even have that. Heck I'll even take Vaugh over him. I miss Kenny

[sashaturiaf]

What I liked about this game is the toughness and intensity on the defensive end. They played solid D tonight. They have to figure out a way to overcome the gard blitz that every team is sending KD/Kai’s way. Celtics gave everyone the ingredient, now the coaching staff has to step up and find a game plan to counter it.

We have to choose between Ben and Nic.

Claxton is a stud. I frankly think that we need to start Claxton/KD/Harris/Royce/Kyrie and bring Ben off the bench with 4 shooters (Curry/Mills/KD/Kyrie)

Both line ups will challenge the opposing defense.

We should never play 3 shooters, 2 non shooter ups

4 shooters, 1 big

Ben might have a nervous breakdown right now if we bench him after 2 games.

However I agree with the premise of your idea, we can start big with Clax and Ben but we should stagger their minutes as much as possible after the first 6 minutes, with Sharpe out of the rotation. We arent going to outsize people anyway as we are built right now, I'd prioritise offense first.

[GYK]

Great win against a real two way team with zero holes.
Kyrie was amazing. Nic was amazing/surprising.
Kyrie/Royce/KD/Ben/Nic pretty much played all night and were an good defense.
However both ends scheme wasn’t strong.
Individual skill carried us(as it has this era).
Joe, as this entire era, has been a luxury piece. I’m still not sold on the roster construction or coaching but good win. Can’t emphasize enough those Raptors are hole-less. A complete two way team with excellent coaching. If anything it should be a reminder that we have true Stars.

[Hello Brooklyn]

What I liked about this game is the toughness and intensity on the defensive end. They played solid D tonight. They have to figure out a way to overcome the gard blitz that every team is sending KD/Kai’s way. Celtics gave everyone the ingredient, now the coaching staff has to step up and find a game plan to counter it.

We have to choose between Ben and Nic.

Claxton is a stud. I frankly think that we need to start Claxton/KD/Harris/Royce/Kyrie and bring Ben off the bench with 4 shooters (Curry/Mills/KD/Kyrie)

Both line ups will challenge the opposing defense.

We should never play 3 shooters, 2 non shooter ups

4 shooters, 1 big

I don't agree.

Ben has still not hit his stride yet from injury.

He is going to become a monster in defense and on transition. Him and Claxton will be fine with 3 elite shooters in Harris/Kyrie/KD.

[Hello Brooklyn]

It was good win but Nash remains ac big problem.

I think Ben is not close to 100% yet.

Neither is Harris.

I also think Curry will help a ton with spacing.

This team needs time to get together.

Next game will be tough.

[Papi_swav]

I believe Ben and Claxton can start and play together. We don't have to follow the new NBA motto we're we NEED 4 shooters at all times. I think they can play together BUT they both need to be on their A game on defense. Both can get steals and blocks and run on fast breaks, it will make our defense alot more quicker as well. They can also switch defensively and it'll work. KD, Ben , Clax, Royce can all switch defensively and still be able to hold their own defensively on most positions which puts us at an advantage. The only thing we're lacking is a tough brute enforcer downlow like a Draymond , i wish Ben can turn into that but he's just not that tough.

On offense, we have 2 of the greatest offensive players of all time, they will always find a way to score no matter what. We need both Ben and Clax to set HARD screens and role to the rim hard everytime, that's really all they can do offensively. Clax is good at finishing and he's clearly gotten stronger which is helping him finish thru contact, but Ben needs to remind himself that he can do the same and stop being soft and look at the darn rim!! He needs to get a floater, dude is 6'10 he can shoot over anybody and has a nice touch. They can also set screens for back door cuts or set a screen for KD for a catch and shoot at mid range, or set a screen for Joe Harris/Patty/Seph for an open 3.

There is several ways to make it work but we need a good coach !!! Steve Nash don't know how to do this, he doesn't draw the x's and o's good enough for this to work. And we know he doesn't know anything about defense. We can't just let KD and Kyrie do 1 on 1 every single play, we won't go too far with that , we need to work as a team to make it work. It's a tough task but this is what needs to be done because this is what we have. Ben and Clax are not going anywhere, they're both here to stay IMO. If Ben doesn't try to get better we won't be able to trade him and Clax is on such a good contract there is no reason to trade him. Ughh we're ina little pickle.

[Decipher]

People wanting Simmons to defend 5s every time obviously havent seen him play much

Not only isn't it his strength but why you would attempt to convert arguably the best perimeter defender in the league is beyond me

Anyway, good win with some nice signs but I still believe that we need a big body to use against certain opponents

Rather than signing one of the usual FA suspects (Dwight, Boogie, etc), I would be calling Spurs about Poetl

Nothing flashy but very solid and on an affordable, expiring contract

[Gooner]

I don't think that we can play Claxton and Ben together anymore. We look so much better with 4 shooters on the floor

Toronto plays with Siakam and Annunoby as their biggest players and Nash still refused to put smaller lineup with more shooting. Offense suffered and Siakam dominated on the other end. Nets won through individual quality with Kyrie playing 40 minutes. Same old, same old.

[Gooner]

People wanting Simmons to defend 5s every time obviously havent seen him play much

Not only isn't it his strength but why you would attempt to convert arguably the best perimeter defender in the league is beyond me

Anyway, good win with some nice signs but I still believe that we need a big body to use against certain opponents

Rather than signing one of the usual FA suspects (Dwight, Boogie, etc), I would be calling Spurs about Poetl

Nothing flashy but very solid and on an affordable, expiring contract

Simmons at the 5 gives you switchability. Obviously he is not a traditional center, but look at the Toronto roster, they don't have a center either, but they play to their strengths. KD and Simmons are taller than any Toronto player. I would just love to see offense with Simmons as a point center, it would be unstoppable. If you don't have great spacing, then you can compensate it with fluid offensive sets, but as we all know, Nash is not capable of implementing that.

[OneZilion]

I like lot of I saw tonight:

- Royce is just a damn dog! Great team player
- Nic is much improved, huge part of team this year
- starting five is our best defencive lineup by far in kd era
- we really have ton of shooting from mills seth and joe unpacked to add to this
-dont forget TJ he can be big time upgrade also

[MrDollarBills]

You guys are right i should be more patient with the Simmons/Claxton combo

If we had a competent head coach I probably wouldn't panic but those doubles on KD and Kyrie in half court give me PTSD from the Boston series. They handled the double teams well last night

[NetsWorld]

I’m totally over Nash. Nets have to get a coach who can adapt and make adjustments, Nash is not doing that. Time to go! Get outta here Steve. Udoka, Dantoni are both sitting at home right now.

Rest assured, the blitzing of KD/Kai will continue and Nash will just pray they “find a way”.

[NetsJets]

I still see a lot of the same issues as last season. I’m glad we won but at this point this is just who we are. I did like seeing Claxton become more aggressive I just wish he would make his free throws. Irving carried us last night, KD was off a bit but he hit the game winner, Royce was a great addition and btw it’s great seeing Joe Harris back, he’ll get better once he gets more game time.

[gigantes]

Finally got a stream to cooperate last night and caught most of the game. (Chrome just refuses to play nice anymore)

- Can't remember a game with so many big runs that didn't close the door. Instead it was more like a case of 'okay, your turn.'

- Simmons is indeed great in transition, but so far I don't see him doing much to change the 'halfcourt PG by committee' approach of the KD/KI era. Watching him camp out regularly in the dunker's spot was kinda painful.

- The team seemed like a mess on both sides most of the game, but I'm thinking that's a healthy sign whilst integrating this amount of significant players, allegedly under a completely new offense.

- Really happy with Clax & O'Neale, and is there really any point to having Edwards and Duke sitting on the bench instead of playing in the G-League? Aside from their value in team scrimmages, I guess.

[ChuckS]

It was hardly a work of art with KD starting 1 for 7, but I was actually encouraged by a few things last night. I think we might be all right, even if the roster stays as is. We won a close game against a good team with one of the leagues better coaches and with Siakam killing us. I agree with the consensus that it was primarily due to talent, which is not all bad however.

Ben Simmons actually played 32 minutes, neutralizing some good offensive weapons, with only two fouls. He'll have some ups and downs for a while but I think he is critical for what we are trying to accomplish. I'll feel better when he gets his scoring back up to near 15 PPG which he is capable of doing. But I think he'll still help during that process.

I lusted after Myles Turner last year even though it worried me a little that Prok thought he wasn't that good. But he was kind of tough on every center I liked. And I was a little disappointed when Hartenstein went for more than our exception this summer. But seeing the difference in Nic this year has me liking him as a starter. He seems to have the potential to be our Kevon Looney, larger, only a one inch difference in excellent wingspan, and closing in on weight. GS has trouble with bulk, as do we, but makes up for it with shooting and defense elsewhere. I think we solved some of the latter issue this summer. As far as the shooting, Mills has helped and amazingly always has a a good plus minus regardless of how he's shooting. The answer, however, won't be determined until the end of what seems to be our constant "ramping up", and Harris, Curry, and TJ are actually on the floor. That should be the team balance we need.

And what good would an old school center with bulk be if Nash will not play him. We were killed with size in the Boston series and Drummond was on the bench. Griffen played a little but was out of shape after sitting so many games. And unbelievably, Aldridge, who was the only one who could have taken some defensive pressure off of KD, didn't see the floor. Durant was pretty much the only size we had. And I think stupidly, Johnson, the only big Nash played at the end of last season, was cut before the playoffs. He was much maligned herein and didn't have the best on court/off court numbers but had substantially better offensive and defensive stats than the promising rookie who replaced him but was unplayable.

But most importantly I liked what we accomplished with KD struggling early. I thought he was all we had much of last year. But when he sat early in the game, our second team actually closed the gap. Morris was a plus eleven in that time. I'm hoping he, and O'Neale, who has been awesome, will help us overcome some "bully ball" this year.

Sorry for being so long winded. In summary, as I said above, I'm encouraged. I just hope I'm not being naive.

[Hello Brooklyn]

In my opinion if we had Udoka as our head coach we are a 1 seed in the East and make the Finals.

With Nash we might be a play in team.

I think the Nets need to find a way to get him. Get someone to convince him to resign.

Then fire Nash and hire him.

This isn't going to work. We need someone new in the locker room. This is our last chance.

[therealbig3]

I’m not gonna defend Nash, I agree at this point that he’s not a great coach. I just think he’s getting scapegoated like crazy.

Let’s just keep it in context: we are getting frustrated when our offense stagnates into an iso fest with Kyrie and KD. But let’s also realize that these guys LOVE to iso and have notoriously broken offense game plans so that they can iso…it was an issue for KD especially in GS. What we’re seeing may not improve with a different coach, because it’s kind of just who our two best players are.

I personally am also extremely concerned with just how bad Simmons is offensively. Averaging 5 ppg through these first two games. That’s just awful. He really needs to be some sort of scoring threat to be an effective player, otherwise he’s a lot of dead weight, no matter how good he is defensively. Even if he looks to score more in the in midrange against smaller guys, just do something to put pressure on the defense, jeez.

It shouldn’t be a cause for celebration whenever this guy scores double digits.

[OfficialRef]

Nash still sucks oh well.

I think the team really needs to play against a couple of **** teams. Pelicans and Raptors are tough and the team needs time to gel especially Simmons.

[Papi_swav]

People wanting Simmons to defend 5s every time obviously havent seen him play much

Not only isn't it his strength but why you would attempt to convert arguably the best perimeter defender in the league is beyond me

Anyway, good win with some nice signs but I still believe that we need a big body to use against certain opponents

Rather than signing one of the usual FA suspects (Dwight, Boogie, etc), I would be calling Spurs about Poetl

Nothing flashy but very solid and on an affordable, expiring contract

yes Poetl would be perfect ! I think Spurs are tanking but we have to give up something good to get him and we don't have the pieces right now. We should definitely give them a call tho