Post Game Thoughts. Jazz.

[coolcono]

I only watched the from the end of the 3rd quarter on.
Terrible shot selection. Someone told me they would up by double digits earlier in the game. Why do we always collapse when the third quarter comes around? Perhaps they need a veteran guard to keep things under control.
Olnyk shot lights out. I remember the game against the Clippers when we shot lights out from three after acquiring Beasely etc. Nobody is going to win when the other team shoots that well from 3.

Gobert looks good again. He simply needs to get adjusted to playing with Towns. It looks promising, but Towns needs to realize he isn't that great of a passer.
D'Angelo looked pretty good.
Jaylen Nowell looked good as well.
I am not really sure who the culprit for the loss is.

[Devilzsidewalk]

I don't know if it just feels that way because I mostly watch the Wolves more than other teams, so maybe it's not an atypical quantity, but it seems like if there was a stat for DWITFWTS plays - which stands for "Dude, What In The **** Was That ****?" - that KAT and D'Lo would be among the league leaders? Not 100% confident in that assessment, it's just a theory currently.

[winforlose]

I only watched the from the end of the 3rd quarter on.
Terrible shot selection. Someone told me they would up by double digits earlier in the game. Why do we always collapse when the third quarter comes around? Perhaps they need a veteran guard to keep things under control.
Olnyk shot lights out. I remember the game against the Clippers when we shot lights out from three after acquiring Beasely etc. Nobody is going to win when the other team shoots that well from 3.

Gobert looks good again. He simply needs to get adjusted to playing with Towns. It looks promising, but Towns needs to realize he isn't that great of a passer.
D'Angelo looked pretty good.
Jaylen Nowell looked good as well.
I am not really sure who the culprit for the loss is.

My thoughts.

1. The officiating really hurt us. The foul trouble in the first half, letting Utah beat up on us without getting foul trouble themselves, the momentum shift as a result of the no calls, it all hurt. Even at the end, clear foul by Olynyk on Towns, review says double foul. On the second review clear foul by Connelly on Towns, the review says no foul. That foul would have been 5 and the sixth came a short time later, MC is gone. V8 was in there when he should have fouled out. Olynyk would have been gone sooner, or at least not been as grabby. We weren’t allowed to play with the same physicality, and it deflated us.

2. They wanted it more than we did. They just fought harder for rebounds, to get through screens, to go after 50/50 balls. They just fought harder.

3. Ant and his hero ball is just plain bad. He stopped playing defense in the fourth quarter, leading to multiple uncontested 3s. Nowell dropped 10 points in the 3rd and we benched him in the fourth. I will never understand why Finch hates him so much. Just bad coaching by an otherwise solid coach.

4. We need to figure out our schemes. We look lost on defense, and I think we don’t even have a plan on offense. I know Finch loved controlled chaos, but this isn’t that. This is just random chaos, with random results

Bonus: We didn’t get enough from our bench. Forbes was just terrible in his minutes. JMAC didn’t really defend anything. KA getting taken out after 38 seconds really hurt. Naz couldn’t find his shot (maybe he shouldn’t have been taken out of the rotation.) Nowell showed up for us. Rivers gave decent defense with no offense (still would rather have JO,) and that was it. Depth only matters when it shines through.

[IceManBK1]

We need to sign Derrick favors a pf who can reb and play d. Seems like when Gobert is on the bench we can't guard the paint or reb. Naz was rust AF tonight totally useless besides maybe a couple blocks. Towns and Edwards could've taken better shots and defer to their teammates more and played better d on their man. The team needs to play with more cohesion and trust.

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Why do we need another thread for this? Isn't the game thread enough?

[D1SGRUNTL3D]

Finch has to call timeouts if he senses a tidal wave of 3s early in the second half to regroup.

He gets too conservative with these things. No shame in even calling one of the first possession results in a 3.

[winforlose]

Finch has to call timeouts if he senses a tidal wave of 3s early in the second half to regroup.

He gets too conservative with these things. No shame in even calling one of the first possession results in a 3.

You only have so many, and the half is long. I think the bigger issue was the rotations. Nowell needed to come in earlier, so did Prince. Dlo should have played more with Ant and the second unit. KAT’s foul trouble put us in a tough spot, but JMAC’s defense was terrible. Like go back and watch it and your eyes will bleed bad.

[_AIJ_]

Ant has no clue how to run PNR

[thinktank]

Ant has no clue how to run PNR

Correct.

If Trey Young is running Rudy PnRs, Rudy has five lob dunks.

Ant is every bit the threat off the dribble that Trey is.

He needs to figure this out.

[TimberKat]

I only watched the from the end of the 3rd quarter on.

D'Angelo looked pretty good.

I am not really sure who the culprit for the loss is.

My thoughts.

1. The officiating really hurt us. The foul trouble in the first half, letting Utah beat up on us without getting foul trouble themselves, the momentum shift as a result of the no calls, it all hurt. Even at the end, clear foul by Olynyk on Towns, review says double foul. On the second review clear foul by Connelly on Towns, the review says no foul.

Bonus: We didn’t get enough from our bench. Forbes was just terrible in his minutes. JMAC didn’t really defend anything. KA getting taken out after 38 seconds really hurt. Naz couldn’t find his shot (maybe he shouldn’t have been taken out of the rotation.) Nowell showed up for us. Rivers gave decent defense with no offense (still would rather have JO,) and that was it. Depth only matters when it shines through.

DLow needs to stop chucking those bad heat check 3s. Not only he missed but also give up 2 at the other end

Olynyk was pulling Towns down to the ground with an under arm lock. It nearly yanked Towns arm out. I don't see how that is a double foul. The problem with Towns is he got too many little aggressive accent moves that makes it look like he foul someone in those 50/50 calls or when he gets foul. In a game that moves in sub seconds, if you act like you foul someone the refs going to call against you. He could use some acting lessons from Olynyk or humble move lessons from Joel Embiid.

Wolves still have a lot of new pieces that need to fit together and is a new way to play D. It's not coming together as fast as Jazz.

Ainge needs to call the team into his office and get them on the same page. They are doing a terrible job tanking.

[kidfozzy]

One thing not mentioned in this thread yet, Kyle Anderson not being there really sucked. Any type of defensive momentum was gone the moment he suffered back spasms.

[minimus]

Towns need to learn from Olynik how to flop. His flopping and whining is pathetic

[Folklore]

I only watched the from the end of the 3rd quarter on.

D'Angelo looked pretty good.

I am not really sure who the culprit for the loss is.

My thoughts.

1. The officiating really hurt us. The foul trouble in the first half, letting Utah beat up on us without getting foul trouble themselves, the momentum shift as a result of the no calls, it all hurt. Even at the end, clear foul by Olynyk on Towns, review says double foul. On the second review clear foul by Connelly on Towns, the review says no foul.

Bonus: We didn’t get enough from our bench. Forbes was just terrible in his minutes. JMAC didn’t really defend anything. KA getting taken out after 38 seconds really hurt. Naz couldn’t find his shot (maybe he shouldn’t have been taken out of the rotation.) Nowell showed up for us. Rivers gave decent defense with no offense (still would rather have JO,) and that was it. Depth only matters when it shines through.

DLow needs to stop chucking those bad heat check 3s. Not only he missed but also give up 2 at the other end

Olynyk was pulling Towns down to the ground with an under arm lock. It nearly yanked Towns arm out. I don't see how that is a double foul. The problem with Towns is he got too many little aggressive accent moves that makes it look like he foul someone in those 50/50 calls or when he gets foul. In a game that moves in sub seconds, if you act like you foul someone the refs going to call against you. He could use some acting lessons from Olynyk or humble move lessons from Joel Embiid.

Wolves still have a lot of new pieces that need to fit together and is a new way to play D. It's not coming together as fast as Jazz.

Ainge needs to call the team into his office and get them on the same page. They are doing a terrible job tanking.

.

Ainge is actually doing a great job. He rebuilt his team to be a contender and at the same time tricked us into being the team that's tanking for HIM. Just like he did with the Nets. he took the heart of this team and added a cheaper and better version of Towns and Rudy in Kes and mark that fit. sht, now that I think about it, they're a better us from last year

[jpatrick]

We need to sign Derrick favors a pf who can reb and play d. Seems like when Gobert is on the bench we can't guard the paint or reb. Naz was rust AF tonight totally useless besides maybe a couple blocks. Towns and Edwards could've taken better shots and defer to their teammates more and played better d on their man. The team needs to play with more cohesion and trust.

I know he would have been third string here. But too bad we couldn’t have kept Kessler. He’s going to be a very good, rim protecting starting center down the road.

[winforlose]

My thoughts.

1. The officiating really hurt us. The foul trouble in the first half, letting Utah beat up on us without getting foul trouble themselves, the momentum shift as a result of the no calls, it all hurt. Even at the end, clear foul by Olynyk on Towns, review says double foul. On the second review clear foul by Connelly on Towns, the review says no foul.

Bonus: We didn’t get enough from our bench. Forbes was just terrible in his minutes. JMAC didn’t really defend anything. KA getting taken out after 38 seconds really hurt. Naz couldn’t find his shot (maybe he shouldn’t have been taken out of the rotation.) Nowell showed up for us. Rivers gave decent defense with no offense (still would rather have JO,) and that was it. Depth only matters when it shines through.

DLow needs to stop chucking those bad heat check 3s. Not only he missed but also give up 2 at the other end

Olynyk was pulling Towns down to the ground with an under arm lock. It nearly yanked Towns arm out. I don't see how that is a double foul. The problem with Towns is he got too many little aggressive accent moves that makes it look like he foul someone in those 50/50 calls or when he gets foul. In a game that moves in sub seconds, if you act like you foul someone the refs going to call against you. He could use some acting lessons from Olynyk or humble move lessons from Joel Embiid.

Wolves still have a lot of new pieces that need to fit together and is a new way to play D. It's not coming together as fast as Jazz.

Ainge needs to call the team into his office and get them on the same page. They are doing a terrible job tanking.

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Ainge is actually doing a great job. He rebuilt his team to be a contender and at the same time tricked us into being the team that's tanking for HIM. Just like he did with the Nets. he took the heart of this team and added a cheaper and better version of Towns and Rudy in Kes and mark that fit. sht, now that I think about it, they're a better us from last year

Hard to tell if this is satire or not? Of course we are the better team. They shot out of their minds last night and barely won in OT. If the game is officiated properly or any number of variables happen we win. Rudy missing two clutch free throws is one example. Another is Connelly never makes that foul and Rudy gets the dunk if Connelly has a 5th foul put on for grabbing towns. Give Towns the and 1 he earned on that review and those 3 points reshape the end of the game. I could go on and on, but end of the day, don’t get carried away.

The Jazz are nothing like us from last year. They don’t have the finishers to take them home in tight games. They have profited from the early season chaos, but they have yet to prove anything two games in. They also aren’t that young, or small. They are a hodgepodge team lacking both shooting and depth.

[lewdog]

DLow needs to stop chucking those bad heat check 3s. Not only he missed but also give up 2 at the other end

Only a 35% career 3-pt shooter. Seems like he takes a couple hundred of these a year. Such a momentum buzz killer.

[Calinks]

Two games and we got people prognosticating the next 5 years on the NBA. Hilarious. This Jazz team is really fun and they have some fire and energy, that said I highly doubt t hey are going to be really good all season or be better than us in the next couple of years. We have seen it time and time again, rebuilding teams with something to prove, guys going all out, playing hard, and griudning out awesome early wins. The Wolves have done this several times (Bahama Wolves anyone?) It happens and its fun but NBA teams figure them out, those teams lose that chip, and they crumble under the grind. The same is likely to happen to t he Jazz in a month.

The Wolves have looked bad but they have all kinds of talent and they have a coaching staff and front office that truly believes they have something that can work. I'm confident they will figure it out, it just may be uglier getting there than I anticipated. We got a lot of things work through.

My biggest concern right now is KAT's emotional control. I don't know if we can right the ship if he is going to be getting frustrated with officials like he has been in the last 18 months. I think its really toxic, it encourages officials to be even harder on him and the team and it puts us in a downward spiral. I'm really worried about that, I think its turned into this major flaw and I don't know what the team has done to try and address it. The guy si going to have to just bite his tongue and cut out the ticky tack crap that racks fouls up for him. They are looking for it and calling it. The kick outs, any elbow action, etc. Its going to kill his whole game because they are on him for everything right now.

[Folklore]

Two games and we got people prognosticating the next 5 years on the NBA. Hilarious. This Jazz team is really fun and they have some fire and energy, that said I highly doubt t hey are going to be really good all season or be better than us in the next couple of years. We have seen it time and time again, rebuilding teams with something to prove, guys going all out, playing hard, and griudning out awesome early wins. The Wolves have done this several times (Bahama Wolves anyone?) It happens and its fun but NBA teams figure them out, those teams lose that chip, and they crumble under the grind. The same is likely to happen to t he Jazz in a month.

The Wolves have looked bad but they have all kinds of talent and they have a coaching staff and front office that truly believes they have something that can work. I'm confident they will figure it out, it just may be uglier getting there than I anticipated. We got a lot of things work through.

My biggest concern right now is KAT's emotional control. I don't know if we can right the ship if he is going to be getting frustrated with officials like he has been in the last 18 months. I think its really toxic, it encourages officials to be even harder on him and the team and it puts us in a downward spiral. I'm really worried about that, I think its turned into this major flaw and I don't know what the team has done to try and address it. The guy si going to have to just bite his tongue and cut out the ticky tack crap that racks fouls up for him. They are looking for it and calling it. The kick outs, any elbow action, etc. Its going to kill his whole game because they are on him for everything right now.

You say we'll be better in a few years but also say that our best player has mental problems? Why wouldn't they be better than us in a couple of years? They have great players on cheap contracts. we have players on max contracts who may or may not even be here in a couple of years. and those who are like Rudy will be much slower. JN will want to get paid, or he's gone. DLo is probably gone. Naz will want his money. Prince might leave. we actually won't even know what the team will look like in a few years. This is why I never liked the trade. Everything hinged on the growth on our players taking a step up, not down. I honestly didn't expect to see Ant play this bad. And without kat working on his handles he only has his straight-line drive to get past other PF and his space to shoot the 3 is gone.

[fattymcgee]

My thoughts.

1. The officiating really hurt us. The foul trouble in the first half, letting Utah beat up on us without getting foul trouble themselves, the momentum shift as a result of the no calls, it all hurt. Even at the end, clear foul by Olynyk on Towns, review says double foul. On the second review clear foul by Connelly on Towns, the review says no foul.

Bonus: We didn’t get enough from our bench. Forbes was just terrible in his minutes. JMAC didn’t really defend anything. KA getting taken out after 38 seconds really hurt. Naz couldn’t find his shot (maybe he shouldn’t have been taken out of the rotation.) Nowell showed up for us. Rivers gave decent defense with no offense (still would rather have JO,) and that was it. Depth only matters when it shines through.

DLow needs to stop chucking those bad heat check 3s. Not only he missed but also give up 2 at the other end

Olynyk was pulling Towns down to the ground with an under arm lock. It nearly yanked Towns arm out. I don't see how that is a double foul. The problem with Towns is he got too many little aggressive accent moves that makes it look like he foul someone in those 50/50 calls or when he gets foul. In a game that moves in sub seconds, if you act like you foul someone the refs going to call against you. He could use some acting lessons from Olynyk or humble move lessons from Joel Embiid.

Wolves still have a lot of new pieces that need to fit together and is a new way to play D. It's not coming together as fast as Jazz.

Ainge needs to call the team into his office and get them on the same page. They are doing a terrible job tanking.

.

Ainge is actually doing a great job. He rebuilt his team to be a contender and at the same time tricked us into being the team that's tanking for HIM. Just like he did with the Nets. he took the heart of this team and added a cheaper and better version of Towns and Rudy in Kes and mark that fit. sht, now that I think about it, they're a better us from last year

Uh, no they're not.

[Calinks]

Two games and we got people prognosticating the next 5 years on the NBA. Hilarious. This Jazz team is really fun and they have some fire and energy, that said I highly doubt t hey are going to be really good all season or be better than us in the next couple of years. We have seen it time and time again, rebuilding teams with something to prove, guys going all out, playing hard, and griudning out awesome early wins. The Wolves have done this several times (Bahama Wolves anyone?) It happens and its fun but NBA teams figure them out, those teams lose that chip, and they crumble under the grind. The same is likely to happen to t he Jazz in a month.

The Wolves have looked bad but they have all kinds of talent and they have a coaching staff and front office that truly believes they have something that can work. I'm confident they will figure it out, it just may be uglier getting there than I anticipated. We got a lot of things work through.

My biggest concern right now is KAT's emotional control. I don't know if we can right the ship if he is going to be getting frustrated with officials like he has been in the last 18 months. I think its really toxic, it encourages officials to be even harder on him and the team and it puts us in a downward spiral. I'm really worried about that, I think its turned into this major flaw and I don't know what the team has done to try and address it. The guy si going to have to just bite his tongue and cut out the ticky tack crap that racks fouls up for him. They are looking for it and calling it. The kick outs, any elbow action, etc. Its going to kill his whole game because they are on him for everything right now.

You say we'll be better in a few years but also say that our best player has mental problems? Why wouldn't they be better than us in a couple of years? They have great players on cheap contracts. we have players on max contracts who may or may not even be here in a couple of years. and those who are like Rudy will be much slower. JN will want to get paid, or he's gone. DLo is probably gone. Naz will want his money. Prince might leave. we actually won't even know what the team will look like in a few years. This is why I never liked the trade. Everything hinged on the growth on our players taking a step up, not down. I honestly didn't expect to see Ant play this bad. And without kat working on his handles he only has his straight-line drive to get past other PF and his space to shoot the 3 is gone.

I'm assuming Towns and the team will find a way to get that under control. At this point I don't think it will be a massive problem but I'm worried it could be. It's been a problem lately and was a killer in the playoffs. It's such a fixable thing I am going to assume they can address but if they can't then we are in big trouble.

Yes I think we will be better than Utah for the foreseeable future. Rebuilding is almost always a very long and bumpy road, teams don't just get rid of their core stars and come back playing for a title in a couple of years, it can take several years to get back to where the Jazz were. They are going to been a couple of superstars they can build around they are going to need some luck.

The Wolves, Kings, Knicks, Bulls, Magic, Hornets, Spurs, etc. have all a been scraping for years to find relevancy after starting over. It is not a simple or easy thing.