Lou84 wrote:Again, the first and only person that called Hans a cheater publicly was Hans himself. He admitted to it and at the same time he lied about it in the process, that's it.
Magnus did not call him a cheater, he said he thinks that he cheated more recently and more often than Hans admitted. Not wanting to play him is his own choice and not forbidden.
Nakamura to my knowledge did not say that Hans is a cheater at all. He literally just reads the news to his chat and gives his 2 cents. He said that all the data makes it very suspicious, but never that he is a cheater per se. If he sues him he has to sue Fabiano and every other chess YouTuber that talked about it as well. Hikaru just happens to be the richest one.
Chess.com on the other hand published a report with all the evidence they had and most of the time they stated that he "likely" cheated. The "likely" was there for a reason, they knew what was coming. The "likely" is there because of the lawsuit and not because they have doubts.
The craziest thing is he sues the dude from chess.com. There is plenty of evidence that he was way to easy on Hans. He gave him several opportunities to come back from being banned to be able to stream and make money, it is ridiculous really imho.
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hmmm, I think what happened was Magnus withdrew from a tournament with a tweet designed to spark exactly this type of implication and then chess.com banned him and dis-invited him from a big tournament. I've seen the take that somehow Niemann made this about chess.com before, which isn't true. It was chess.com that invited themselves into the drama by taking action against Hans, albeit without a statement.
I think people are getting a bit sort of taken in with the idea that the law lets you say whatever you want as long as you plonk allegedly in front of it or whatever, Magnus clearly implied he cheated and if the implication as ramifications then that will matter in court.
The chess.com report is being heavily disputed because he lost a bunch of games they claim he cheated in, some were on stream while we could literally see his feed and his face at the time, and FIDE's expert thinks the report looks complete garbage (or 'bupkis' as he called it). NOW call me a skeptic but as someone that plays on chess.com and sees it allows all manner of cheating (mostly rating manipulation so players can win their tournaments by pretending to be much worse than they are) I don't think they have as much a handle on cheating as they think they do. But the report might be accurate, only Hans knows I guess but for anyone else it certainly doesn't look bullet proof.
And Danny Rensch sort of instigated the banning, released private emails and all we know about the correspondence from Danny and Hans came from info than Rensch's company released, which you know, might be a bit biased, so I can kinda see why he's being sued.
Agree on Nakamura, he stirred the pot but he was just commenting on what was floating about.
The other factor is, unlike normal defamation, this will lead to very real and provable loss in earnings for Hans, he's already been kicked from Tata Steel. Who knows what's next.
