Bouk 'Em, Danno: The James Bouknight Thread

UNCNYC · Post #481 » by **UNCNYC** » Fri Oct 21, 2022 11:46 am

SWedd523 wrote:Dude is about to have some legitimate legal concerns.

The totality of his offenses in such a short timespan doesn't spell well for giving him the benefit of the doubt based on money and celebrity.

Wondering where this'll go.

If judging by Miles' case is any indication, we won't know for another 2/3 years

I agree so much with you about him needing time to develop.. I hope they continue to go with him. He has potential.

Robot Rock · Post #482 » by **Robot Rock** » Fri Oct 21, 2022 3:34 pm

Bouk will be a fine G-League player in a couple years. Would be great to recoup something for him now.

wilson115 · Post #483 » by **wilson115** » Fri Oct 21, 2022 3:48 pm

Did this age well?

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I'll probably never shut up about the 2021 offseason lol
I forgot Mitch saying stuff about 16 and 18 (possibly 2022 1st) for 11.

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HornetJail · Post #485 » by **HornetJail** » Fri Oct 21, 2022 7:43 pm

fatlever wrote:

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If that's true, I'm completely speechless. That's arguably worse than turning down the Winslow package and drafting Frank

amcoolio · Post #486 » by **amcoolio** » Fri Oct 21, 2022 7:49 pm

It doesn't help that Moody looks really good in the small minutes he gets on the Warriors bench, and current Duarte is like best case scenario for Bouknight now

Post #487 » by **JDR720** » Fri Oct 21, 2022 7:59 pm

Considering we traded 13th for another pick this draft and Cho turning down Boston to draft Frank. And trading a 1st for Marco Belineli. And the above.

I think it's pretty clear we don't value the draft. I think it's MJ.

Post #488 » by **yosemiteben** » Fri Oct 21, 2022 8:02 pm

JDR720 wrote:Considering we traded 13th for another pick this draft and Cho turning down Boston to draft Frank. And trading a 1st for Marco Belineli. And the above.

I think it's pretty clear we don't value the draft. I think it's MJ.

Half of those examples are situations where we valued the guy we drafted over the trade package offered, and in one of them we got more picks back (albeit lower picks) and already used one to get McGowen. Not sure I follow how that supports the idea that we don't value guys in the draft.

luciano-davidwesley · Post #489 » by **luciano-davidwesley** » Fri Oct 21, 2022 9:11 pm

yosemiteben wrote:
JDR720 wrote:Considering we traded 13th for another pick this draft and Cho turning down Boston to draft Frank. And trading a 1st for Marco Belineli. And the above.

I think it's pretty clear we don't value the draft. I think it's MJ.

Half of those examples are situations where we valued the guy we drafted over the trade package offered, and in one of them we got more picks back (albeit lower picks) and already used one to get McGowen. Not sure I follow how that supports the idea that we don't value guys in the draft.

No it just supports the idea our FO and ownership are clueless morons

Post #490 » by **Diop** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 2:59 am

yosemiteben wrote:
JDR720 wrote:Considering we traded 13th for another pick this draft and Cho turning down Boston to draft Frank. And trading a 1st for Marco Belineli. And the above.

I think it's pretty clear we don't value the draft. I think it's MJ.

Half of those examples are situations where we valued the guy we drafted over the trade package offered,

This has generally been my take for Mitch and cho but I’m sort of sick of supporting them when it seems to keep going wrong. Shows the importance of good, thorough scouting and don’t ignore character.

Saying that, if miles doesn’t go crazy, this team would be looking very different right now and I don’t know if there were any flags that previously indicated miles might go off the rails

CuseMayne · Post #491 » by **CuseMayne** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:19 am

Bouk's gotta go man...I'd rather have Wayne Ellington. Easily.

Post #492 » by **fatlever** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 6:14 am

including preseason, i think bouk is now 6-for-40 lol
he brings zero valuable skills
cant shoot
cant defend
cant dribble
can barely pass
cant beat nba defenders off dribble

give me any random role player who can do any single one of those things at an above avg level

Post #493 » by **Diop** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 8:32 am

I'm not even convinced he can hold his booze either

CuseMayne · Post #494 » by **CuseMayne** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 7:13 pm

We can't play him. He actively hurts the team on the court and off the court. However, we HAVE to play him because our best 3 guards are all hurt TWO GAMES into the season...I mean this has to be the most sheer number of unlucky breaks for one franchise in one calendar year, no...?

We're clearly playing to win until further notice. I hope they try and find other bargain players like DSJ and Maledon and give them a proper look, because having to play Bouknight right now is just really telling.

Bassman · Post #495 » by **Bassman** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 9:29 pm

Man, Kupchak turning down that boatload of picks to draft Bouknight was pretty stupid, regardless of how he might have turned out in an alternate universe. In Realville, Bouk is horrible, a head case, a wild child drunk, reckless…and he can’t ball in this league. That makes him another pariah we are stuck with short of cutting him or, my preference, sending him to Greensboro for the whole season to get his head clear, his approach to prep and training solid, and find his game again. He has zero value in trade right now.

Mitch reminds me of a singer who once was a star, but now can barely hold a note when he solos.

What curse was placed on this team and by who? Cho was the WORST ever, but Kupchak is logging minutes toward being his co-pilot.

HornetJail · Post #496 » by **HornetJail** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 9:38 pm

yosemiteben wrote:
JDR720 wrote:Considering we traded 13th for another pick this draft and Cho turning down Boston to draft Frank. And trading a 1st for Marco Belineli. And the above.

I think it's pretty clear we don't value the draft. I think it's MJ.

Half of those examples are situations where we valued the guy we drafted over the trade package offered, and in one of them we got more picks back (albeit lower picks) and already used one to get McGowen. Not sure I follow how that supports the idea that we don't value guys in the draft.

we technically used two to secure McGowens... we used a 2nd to move up 5 spots from 45

HornetJail · Post #497 » by **HornetJail** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 9:40 pm

CuseMayne wrote:We can't play him. He actively hurts the team on the court and off the court. However, we HAVE to play him because our best 3 guards are all hurt TWO GAMES into the season...I mean this has to be the most sheer number of unlucky breaks for one franchise in one calendar year, no...?

We're clearly playing to win until further notice. I hope they try and find other bargain players like DSJ and Maledon and give them a proper look, because having to play Bouknight right now is just really telling.

this is make-or-break time for Bouknight and it really couldn't have come at a worse time. We have to play him because there's no other choice, and the deadline to decide whether his 3rd year rookie contract is a little over a week away. If he stinks it up that much over the next week, that combined with all the off-court stuff could very well lead to us declining his option imo.

luciano-davidwesley · Post #498 » by **luciano-davidwesley** » Sun Oct 23, 2022 1:56 am

KEMBAtheMETEOR wrote:
CuseMayne wrote:We can't play him. He actively hurts the team on the court and off the court. However, we HAVE to play him because our best 3 guards are all hurt TWO GAMES into the season...I mean this has to be the most sheer number of unlucky breaks for one franchise in one calendar year, no...?

We're clearly playing to win until further notice. I hope they try and find other bargain players like DSJ and Maledon and give them a proper look, because having to play Bouknight right now is just really telling.

this is make-or-break time for Bouknight and it really couldn't have come at a worse time. We have to play him because there's no other choice, and the deadline to decide whether his 3rd year rookie contract is a little over a week away. If he stinks it up that much over the next week, that combined with all the off-court stuff could very well lead to us declining his option imo.

We'd be mad to pick up his third year option at this point. He'd have to have an incredibly promising next week to even begin a debate about it.

Robot Rock · Post #499 » by **Robot Rock** » Tue Oct 25, 2022 3:57 pm

Bassman wrote:sending him to Greensboro for the whole season to get his head clear, his approach to prep and training solid, and find his game again.

Absolutely cut him. He was not engaged at all in Greensboro. Avoided team huddles, played negative amounts of defense and just did the basketball version of clock-watching until he could leave. Making him do that for a year is only going to result in more arrests and embarrassment. He needs someone he'll listen to, to coach him up, and no one in Greensboro is equipped with his respect in order to do so.

Post #500 » by **fatlever** » Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:07 pm

I kinda agree that the swarm won't do him any good. It will just allow him to keep up bad habits.

Keep him here. Give him spot minutes, as they are earned. Hold him accountable.

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