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[oreon]

Systemic to a fault.

Not only ridiculous approach stalling growth of young players with skills, but in many cases shutting off their confidence.

Is it shutting it off, or preserving their confidence.

They know what the guy looks like in practice. They know what they have in him, and might be sacrificing early in the season to make sure Jovic has the best chance possible to hit the ground running.

Jovic fits what they want from a small ball big, I find it hard to believe there is NO REASON why he is not playing.

Maybe he still makes too many mistakes, maybe it is conditioning who knows. I don't think they should waive whatever criteria they use to determine "readiness" just because the guy was drafted. I would bet it is the same rules for every player, and Jovic has not whatever criteria he needs to hit to get on the court.

all we can do is guess....

My guess is the fouls, the team can't have preseason Jovic and Dedmon in the same game. They would put teams at the FT line with-in 2 mins of checking into the game.

Speaking of Dedmon when the heck is Yurt getting back, I think I have seen of enough of Dedmon this season already.

I want Jovic to play. But when it comes to young players the results speak for themselves. Most of the young players have dramatically improved under Spo.For some reason Spo doesn't play rookies that much year 1, but over the course of time they do get better and outperform other rookies who played more in their rookie season

[fishfuego.]

Not only ridiculous approach stalling growth of young players with skills, but in many cases shutting off their confidence.

Look it is simple, if they don’t make their 3’s, they lose. Today they were lucky enough to barely win. Tomorrow it may be a loss with small specialist players with limited skills, struggling to rebound.

Exactly. Why build the drama up so much? Play him a little here a little there. If he wasn't good in preseason I wouldn't have my panties all up in a bunch for the kid.

Its the cardinal rule of you cannot be affected by what you cannot know ever existed. If Jovic gets minutes and out plays other players on the team, it means that there is no other response from the team at that point but to have to jump him in front of others in the minutes hierarchy. Someone who either just got a guaranteed deal, or was promised minutes in their negotiated contract during signing will be buuthurt and Miami is the type of organization that is a dead set example team without skipping a precedent to shake the tree of this is how we do things here.

The problem is, that we all saw, and therefore know that it does exist. They may feel the need to follow a team manual, and it passes in silence while winning, until the losing starts for obvious reasons that are too obvious to pretend it doesn’t exist. I mean 6’11” vs 6’4” at the 4, while getting manhandled on the boards.
Don’t know how stupid they may think we are, but that’s a recipe to lose a fan base in a flash.

[fishfuego.]

Not only ridiculous approach stalling growth of young players with skills, but in many cases shutting off their confidence.

Is it shutting it off, or preserving their confidence.

They know what the guy looks like in practice. They know what they have in him, and might be sacrificing early in the season to make sure Jovic has the best chance possible to hit the ground running.

Jovic fits what they want from a small ball big, I find it hard to believe there is NO REASON why he is not playing.

Maybe he still makes too many mistakes, maybe it is conditioning who knows. I don't think they should waive whatever criteria they use to determine "readiness" just because the guy was drafted. I would bet it is the same rules for every player, and Jovic has not whatever criteria he needs to hit to get on the court.

all we can do is guess....

My guess is the fouls, the team can't have preseason Jovic and Dedmon in the same game. They would put teams at the FT line with-in 2 mins of checking into the game.

Speaking of Dedmon when the heck is Yurt getting back, I think I have seen of enough of Dedmon this season already.

I want Jovic to play. But when it comes to young players the results speak for themselves. Most of the young players have dramatically improved under Spo.For some reason Spo doesn't play rookies that much year 1, but over the course of time they do get better and outperform other rookies who played more in their rookie season

Oh no, Spo plays his type of rookies. Normally guard types that fit his obsessive small ball prototype.

[ShulaDon92]

Exactly. Why build the drama up so much? Play him a little here a little there. If he wasn't good in preseason I wouldn't have my panties all up in a bunch for the kid.

Its the cardinal rule of you cannot be affected by what you cannot know ever existed. If Jovic gets minutes and out plays other players on the team, it means that there is no other response from the team at that point but to have to jump him in front of others in the minutes hierarchy. Someone who either just got a guaranteed deal, or was promised minutes in their negotiated contract during signing will be buuthurt and Miami is the type of organization that is a dead set example team without skipping a precedent to shake the tree of this is how we do things here.

The problem is, that we all saw, and therefore know that it does exist. They may feel the need to follow a team manual, and it passes in silence while winning, until the losing starts for obvious reasons that are too obvious to pretend it doesn’t exist. I mean 6’11” vs 6’4” at the 4, while getting manhandled on the boards.
Don’t know how stupid they may think we are, but that’s a recipe to lose a fan base in a flash.

It's all poetry. In the playoffs, when the intensity is up and every one is going HAM the system breaks and you have to freelance. Getting a young stud is not much different. As a leader you react, you freelance to give yourself the best chance to win if the system isnt working. You see you can improve the team, you take it, you don't wait for a shot that might not be there anymore.

I'm just of a different mentality. I don't want to spoil the kid but I wouldn't neglect him either. So extreme.

[DayofMourning]

Good to see Precious have the 2nd highest plus minus. Mistake to move him.

[Wiltside]

Good to see Precious have the 2nd highest plus minus. Mistake to move him.

Was probably the best thing for Precious though tbh. He can play his natural game in TOR. He’s much more comfortable facing up than I figured, but we didn’t give him this kind of freedom.

[ShulaDon92]

Systemic to a fault.

Not only ridiculous approach stalling growth of young players with skills, but in many cases shutting off their confidence.

Is it shutting it off, or preserving their confidence.

They know what the guy looks like in practice. They know what they have in him, and might be sacrificing early in the season to make sure Jovic has the best chance possible to hit the ground running.

Jovic fits what they want from a small ball big, I find it hard to believe there is NO REASON why he is not playing.

Maybe he still makes too many mistakes, maybe it is conditioning who knows. I don't think they should waive whatever criteria they use to determine "readiness" just because the guy was drafted. I would bet it is the same rules for every player, and Jovic has not whatever criteria he needs to hit to get on the court.

all we can do is guess....

My guess is the fouls, the team can't have preseason Jovic and Dedmon in the same game. They would put teams at the FT line with-in 2 mins of checking into the game.

Speaking of Dedmon when the heck is Yurt getting back, I think I have seen of enough of Dedmon this season already.

So much mystery with Yursavven, Dipo and Jovic.

[Dmcdani6]

Good to see Precious have the 2nd highest plus minus. Mistake to move him.

Was probably the best thing for Precious though tbh. He can play his natural game in TOR. He’s much more comfortable facing up than I figured, but we didn’t give him this kind of freedom.

P always reminded me of Bam-lite. Idk why, but thats what i think of.

[fishfuego.]

Its the cardinal rule of you cannot be affected by what you cannot know ever existed. If Jovic gets minutes and out plays other players on the team, it means that there is no other response from the team at that point but to have to jump him in front of others in the minutes hierarchy. Someone who either just got a guaranteed deal, or was promised minutes in their negotiated contract during signing will be buuthurt and Miami is the type of organization that is a dead set example team without skipping a precedent to shake the tree of this is how we do things here.

The problem is, that we all saw, and therefore know that it does exist. They may feel the need to follow a team manual, and it passes in silence while winning, until the losing starts for obvious reasons that are too obvious to pretend it doesn’t exist. I mean 6’11” vs 6’4” at the 4, while getting manhandled on the boards.
Don’t know how stupid they may think we are, but that’s a recipe to lose a fan base in a flash.

It's all poetry. In the playoffs, when the intensity is up and every one is going HAM the system breaks and you have to freelance. Getting a young stud is not much different. As a leader you react, you freelance to give yourself the best chance to win if the system isnt working. You see you can improve the team, you take it, you don't wait for a shot that might not be there anymore.

I'm just of a different mentality. I don't want to spoil the kid but I wouldn't neglect him either. So extreme.

Put this way, Herro’s best playoffs moments came against a tough defensive team Celtics, as a rookie.
Herro and Nunn were an early machine combo as rookies, that translated into victories.

[ShulaDon92]

The problem is, that we all saw, and therefore know that it does exist. They may feel the need to follow a team manual, and it passes in silence while winning, until the losing starts for obvious reasons that are too obvious to pretend it doesn’t exist. I mean 6’11” vs 6’4” at the 4, while getting manhandled on the boards.
Don’t know how stupid they may think we are, but that’s a recipe to lose a fan base in a flash.

It's all poetry. In the playoffs, when the intensity is up and every one is going HAM the system breaks and you have to freelance. Getting a young stud is not much different. As a leader you react, you freelance to give yourself the best chance to win if the system isnt working. You see you can improve the team, you take it, you don't wait for a shot that might not be there anymore.

I'm just of a different mentality. I don't want to spoil the kid but I wouldn't neglect him either. So extreme.

Put this way, Herro’s best playoffs moments came against a tough defensive team Celtics, as a rookie.
Herro and Nunn were an early machine combo as rookies, that translated into victories.

Yep. I'm worried Herro has regressed. He's stronger, sure, but used to play free and score over 30 easy.

Now it's 25 and he's done. Just running around wasting energy lol

We also had Dragic.

[fishfuego.]

Good to see Precious have the 2nd highest plus minus. Mistake to move him.

Was probably the best thing for Precious though tbh. He can play his natural game in TOR. He’s much more comfortable facing up than I figured, but we didn’t give him this kind of freedom.

This ^

[ShulaDon92]

As of game 3 I'm definitely on the Durant/Simmons for anyone not Butler and Bam trade narrative.

[fishfuego.]

It's all poetry. In the playoffs, when the intensity is up and every one is going HAM the system breaks and you have to freelance. Getting a young stud is not much different. As a leader you react, you freelance to give yourself the best chance to win if the system isnt working. You see you can improve the team, you take it, you don't wait for a shot that might not be there anymore.

I'm just of a different mentality. I don't want to spoil the kid but I wouldn't neglect him either. So extreme.

Put this way, Herro’s best playoffs moments came against a tough defensive team Celtics, as a rookie.
Herro and Nunn were an early machine combo as rookies, that translated into victories.

Yep. I'm worried Herro has regressed. He's stronger, sure, but used to play free and score over 30 easy.

Now it's 25 and he's done. Just running around wasting energy lol

Or maybe he can’t step on the vet toes. I doubt he has a green light to do what he did as a 6 man. The ball goes through Jimmy and Bam. Herro is more like the 3rd wheel.

[ShulaDon92]

Put this way, Herro’s best playoffs moments came against a tough defensive team Celtics, as a rookie.
Herro and Nunn were an early machine combo as rookies, that translated into victories.

Yep. I'm worried Herro has regressed. He's stronger, sure, but used to play free and score over 30 easy.

Now it's 25 and he's done. Just running around wasting energy lol

Or maybe he can’t step on the vet toes. I doubt he has a green light to do what he did as a 6 man. The ball goes through Jimmy and Bam. Herro is more like the 3rd wheel.

Oh more systemic oppressions? Lol

As long as we win the system works. But when it doesn't it's nice to use common sense.

It's the reason why communism failed, too systemic. That, plus you need to be backed by a thriving global economy.

[Vertical Limit]

Good to see Precious have the 2nd highest plus minus. Mistake to move him.

Was probably the best thing for Precious though tbh. He can play his natural game in TOR. He’s much more comfortable facing up than I figured, but we didn’t give him this kind of freedom.

Yea i dont think we would have ever saw precious reach his potential here.. my fear is the same may be said about Jovic.. and jovic is more talented than precious

[ShulaDon92]

Theoretically:
Imagine, as a franchise trying to thrive, keeping Jordan on the bench for 1.5 years for priming. It's just mind boggling. We are a great, winning franchise but we're full of overachieving gleaguers. That's not the approach you want to take with studs.

We're not even 5 games in but the case for playing Jovic is building.

[ShulaDon92]

Tonight's positives were Lowry finding a groove, Butler as usual, Herro as usual, Bam played strong, Duncan hot, Strus hot, shooters were hitting. Defense was adequate enough. I saw some really good sets with multiple triggers.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Guys Jovic should be getting some clock but you’ve got to stop comparing him to guys like Jordan and Wade to try and prove a point lol it’s not even close to the same

[ShulaDon92]

Guys Jovic should be getting some clock but you’ve got to stop comparing him to guys like Jordan and Wade to try and prove a point lol it’s not even close to the same

But the point remains.

[ReturnofMVP3]

I’d like to say this win was my doing