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Post#81 » by Shewasfly » Sat Oct 22, 2022 7:01 pm

contract wrote:Heat fans love to **** on Spo for bad decisions made above him. As if Spo had decided that his choices of guys to play next to Bam should be ...

Caleb Martin
Max Strus
Haywood Highsmith
Duncan Robinson
Jimmy Butler

Omer Yurtseven
Dewayne Dedmon
Nikola Jovic
Udonis Haslem

Most of those players are non-viable options because they suck, or are (super mega) washed, or they are poor offensive fits next to Bam, or they are named Jimmy Butler and we don't want to play him at the 4 spot all season long.

That doesn't leave a whole lot of great options, although as usual Heat fans are sure that the key to our season is somewhere on our bench.

It's not Spo's fault that moves weren't made to fix our poor roster construction.

It's not Spo's fault that our cap is so f'ed up that we have to carry an empty spot to avoid going into the tax.

It's not Spo's fault that our cap is so f'ed up that we can't even sign a semi-competent PF for the veteran minimum.

It isn't Spo's fault that we've made enough poor contract decisions to tie our cap into knots and make untying it too painful to consider.

It's not Spo's fault that once again we chose not to try to improve while we waited on a superstar that we obviously didn't have assets to trade for.

It's not Spo's fault that aside from the empty roster spot we also reserve a seat on the bench and the cap space that goes with it for the team mascot.

I know some fans want to play the legend of Yurtseven next to Bam despite neither having much of a post up game or having a decent shot from even 15 feet out. Whatever ... gripe on. Just keep in mind that you can't let defenses pack the paint when your best player is Jimmy Butler.

And I know that some fans are sure that the new kid is a superstar because unlike dozens of other players every single year he looked good in practice games in the preseason. Whatever ... gripe away.

Just don't act like Spo has any good options to choose from, and don't act like that is his fault.


THANK YOU.

As much as I gripe about Spo and his inability to adjust in game, it is getting ridiculous the lengths people are going to to ignore the fact that he was given a **** hand to play.

The roster issues are fundamental and not something switching lineups and rotations can fix. Even if you want to blame Spo for Duncan, which wouldn’t make much sense because he’s ultimately not the decision-maker regardless of what say he has, and especially when it comes to contract amount, he at least eventually had the balls to bench him when we came to a crossroads. What has Riley done since his master plan has repeatedly failed but continue to ask Spo to make G Leaguers into competent NBA players?
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Post#82 » by ShulaDon92 » Sat Oct 22, 2022 7:11 pm

This is a team. Everyone is to blame, especially the coach.

The young players don't know how to win yet, they play too loose, no passion. The passion to win came from Dragon and Butler.

As much as we want Bam to be Haslem, he is a softy that wants to be your friend more than he wants to beat you.

Herro is good for 25 points, other than that he's useless on defense except for a steal or two but he will turn it over right back. And he overdribbles. I'm not sure he can even score 45 anymore.

Lowry is washed but is good as a leader. The thing is he can't lead if he's washed and ineffective.

Butler is Butler. A winner but sometimes difficult.

And these are your team leaders. They must evolve.
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Post#83 » by jele » Sat Oct 22, 2022 7:16 pm

Good thing that Wade came into the league before Spo took over. Otherwise he would have not played his first year.
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Post#84 » by RexBoyWonder » Sat Oct 22, 2022 7:32 pm

I honestly feel were always trying to fight an uphill battle in 2 ways :

1) We're almost always the smaller/less athletic team.

2) we're just not talented enough. We're maximizing the talent we do have better then most teams, but our overall talent is mediocre at best.
Just look at the teams around - they all have multipole allstars/high draft picks/supreme tools guys. While We have a bunch of overachievers playing their hearts out, trying to squeeze any drop of their limited talents.


It's hard. it's tiering. it takes supreme effort and focus. And sometimes you just can't win that uphill battle.
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Post#85 » by fishfuego. » Sat Oct 22, 2022 7:38 pm

jele wrote:Good thing that Wade came into the league before Spo took over. Otherwise he would have not played his first year.

I don’t care if a 6’11” player is a rookie. He still 6’11”, and I want to see him play even through losing pains. Why?
Because as it is, this team will always be at a disadvantage with the dwarfs trying to defend at the rim, giving away second chances to the much stronger/ taller competitors. The Heat got sooooo lucky with Embiid being a quarter of himself, and now not even having Tucker to enforce toughness.
Play the dang taller dude and hope for the best.
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Post#86 » by ShulaDon92 » Sat Oct 22, 2022 11:44 pm

RexBoyWonder wrote:I honestly feel were always trying to fight an uphill battle in 2 ways :

1) We're almost always the smaller/less athletic team.

2) we're just not talented enough. We're maximizing the talent we do have better then most teams, but our overall talent is mediocre at best.
Just look at the teams around - they all have multipole allstars/high draft picks/supreme tools guys. While We have a bunch of overachievers playing their hearts out, trying to squeeze any drop of their limited talents.


It's hard. it's tiering. it takes supreme effort and focus. And sometimes you just can't win that uphill battle.

Life is an uphill battle.

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Post#87 » by jele » Sat Oct 22, 2022 11:58 pm

RexBoyWonder wrote:I honestly feel were always trying to fight an uphill battle in 2 ways :

1) We're almost always the smaller/less athletic team.

2) we're just not talented enough. We're maximizing the talent we do have better then most teams, but our overall talent is mediocre at best.
Just look at the teams around - they all have multipole allstars/high draft picks/supreme tools guys. While We have a bunch of overachievers playing their hearts out, trying to squeeze any drop of their limited talents.


It's hard. it's tiering. it takes supreme effort and focus. And sometimes you just can't win that uphill battle.

More than half of our team are undrafted players. Is that normal in the NBA?
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Post#88 » by ShulaDon92 » Sun Oct 23, 2022 12:13 am

Bolsonero doesn't have it tonight yet but Wagner is fuegooo.

Wagner cooled off, Bolsonero improved. Magic could have pulled off the upset on Boston with Brown off.

But Tatum is legit.
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Post#89 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Sun Oct 23, 2022 4:49 am

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It’s a damn shame.
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Post#90 » by twix2500 » Sun Oct 23, 2022 1:05 pm

After 3 games Big 3 ave

Butler 14.7 fga/gm - 22 pts/gm
Herro 14.7 fga/gm - 20.7 pts/gm
Adebayo 10.7 fga/gm - 13.7 pts/gm

Team 82.7 fga/gm - 108 pts/gm
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Post#91 » by twix2500 » Sun Oct 23, 2022 1:12 pm

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It’s a damn shame.



I will say this. Bam is trying but he is not getting the ball in good spots. The plays and the guards are not doing a good job at it.
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Post#92 » by RexBoyWonder » Sun Oct 23, 2022 3:16 pm

twix2500 wrote:
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
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It’s a damn shame.



I will say this. Bam is trying but he is not getting the ball in good spots. The plays and the guards are not doing a good job at it.


The all idea of trying to insert a scoring mentality into a player that has no natural mindset or skillset to be a top scorer was always ill-advised.

Bam is a third/forth option on offense on a great team. And that's ok, he can be a awesome player being that if he's efficient and brings the defense and energy like he's capable of.
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Post#93 » by twix2500 » Sun Oct 23, 2022 3:42 pm

RexBoyWonder wrote:
twix2500 wrote:
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
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It’s a damn shame.



I will say this. Bam is trying but he is not getting the ball in good spots. The plays and the guards are not doing a good job at it.


The all idea of trying to insert a scoring mentality into a player that has no natural mindset or skillset to be a top scorer was always ill-advised.

Bam is a third/forth option on offense on a great team. And that's ok, he can be a awesome player being that if he's efficient and brings the defense and energy like he's capable of.
Well Rex, the problem is the Heat need him to be. There is no elite scoring talent on this team. So the Heat need multiple good low 20 pt scorers. A good power forward that you all want will not be the difference maker. Thou the Heat do need one, the Heat will still fall short. In order for the Heat to win a chip, Bam, Herro and Butler all need to be a reliable 20 pt scorer and with at least a forth guy who can be that kind of scorer on certain nights. Its one of the reason I didn't want to get rid of Nunn. And I still open to get Nunn back, especially if Oladipo health is not reliable.

I am skeptical that Spo can run a system that will allow a inside the 3 pt line scorer to flourish. But I am giving him time again to prove me wrong. There were some designed plays that were well run for Bam in the paint. But that is not happening enough. But its way early and the team and coaches have to figure out how they are going to share shots.


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Post#94 » by carnageta » Sun Oct 23, 2022 3:46 pm

Bam's not being put into his spots offensively, AND, he's not being as aggressive as he should be with respect to scoring the basketball. I blame both Spo and Bam for this.

In an alternate universe, Bam doesn't struggle in the opener against Chicago and goes on to score 30 points in lieu of a Heat victory, earning the trust of his coach and building confidence in his own offensive abilities. I really don't like to put it this way, but Bam is very Winslow-esque in terms of letting a few missed shots take a detrimental effect on his offensive capabilities. It's really what separates a natural scorer, i.e. Herro, from an unnatural one.

You need that gold fish memory. No one cares if you miss 10 shots in a row - if they're good looks and within the flow of the offensive just take them, ffs.
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Post#95 » by twix2500 » Sun Oct 23, 2022 3:50 pm

twix2500 wrote:
RexBoyWonder wrote:
twix2500 wrote:

I will say this. Bam is trying but he is not getting the ball in good spots. The plays and the guards are not doing a good job at it.


The all idea of trying to insert a scoring mentality into a player that has no natural mindset or skillset to be a top scorer was always ill-advised.

Bam is a third/forth option on offense on a great team. And that's ok, he can be a awesome player being that if he's efficient and brings the defense and energy like he's capable of.
Well Rex, the problem is the Heat need him to be. There is no elite scoring talent on this team. So the Heat need multiple good low 20 pt scorers. A good power forward that you all want will not be the difference maker. Thou the Heat do need one, the Heat will still fall short. In order for the Heat to win a chip, Bam, Herro and Butler all need to be a reliable 20 pt scorer and with at least a forth guy who can be that kind of scorer on certain nights. Its one of the reason I didn't want to get rid of Nunn. And I still open to get Nunn back, especially if Oladipo health is not reliable.

I am skeptical that Spo can run a system that will allow a inside the 3 pt line scorer to flourish. But I am giving him time again to prove me wrong. There were some designed plays that were well run for Bam in the paint. But that is not happening enough. But its way early and the team and coaches have to figure out how they are going to share shots.


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I see an inherit flaw. As of right now Bam is the only screener on this active roster. All the forwards and guards need screens to be effective. How are the Heat going to focus on getting Bam the ball if he has to spend energy, physical abuse as a screener for everyone, and picking up fouls. Its one of the reason why AD wants to play power forward. By nature if you are a screener you are cant be the 1st option.

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Post#96 » by twix2500 » Sun Oct 23, 2022 3:58 pm

Speaking of Jovic. Yall know dam well, Spo urge is gonna want Jovic to play center.

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Post#97 » by BFRESH44 » Sun Oct 23, 2022 4:52 pm

twix2500 wrote:Speaking of Jovic. Yall know dam well, Spo urge is gonna want Jovic to play center.

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That’s fine. Give him the Dedmon minutes. Can’t be any worse.
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Post#99 » by al bondiga » Sun Oct 23, 2022 5:34 pm

ShulaDon92 wrote:
RexBoyWonder wrote:I honestly feel were always trying to fight an uphill battle in 2 ways :

1) We're almost always the smaller/less athletic team.

2) we're just not talented enough. We're maximizing the talent we do have better then most teams, but our overall talent is mediocre at best.
Just look at the teams around - they all have multipole allstars/high draft picks/supreme tools guys. While We have a bunch of overachievers playing their hearts out, trying to squeeze any drop of their limited talents.


It's hard. it's tiering. it takes supreme effort and focus. And sometimes you just can't win that uphill battle.

Life is an uphill battle.

:banghead:
take it easy don, life is not always and uphill battle
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Post#100 » by al bondiga » Sun Oct 23, 2022 5:52 pm

carnageta wrote:Bam's not being put into his spots offensively, AND, he's not being as aggressive as he should be with respect to scoring the basketball. I blame both Spo and Bam for this.

In an alternate universe, Bam doesn't struggle in the opener against Chicago and goes on to score 30 points in lieu of a Heat victory, earning the trust of his coach and building confidence in his own offensive abilities. I really don't like to put it this way, but Bam is very Winslow-esque in terms of letting a few missed shots take a detrimental effect on his offensive capabilities. It's really what separates a natural scorer, i.e. Herro, from an unnatural one.

You need that gold fish memory. No one cares if you miss 10 shots in a row - if they're good looks and within the flow of the offensive just take them, ffs.
you are right especially about that Goldfish Memory... spo carries the most blame to me, he is why bam has a fear of failure, why Winslow lost his confidence, why so many others can't find what they are good at

spo is NOT a monster, he is a great coach, but his vision is very limited, and so is his imagination... these are because of his stubbornness

He has to change this and I believe he will

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