Draymond or Marion?

[AEnigma]

Like you said, Marion is a good player, but he is more your typical all-star level guy, whereas peak Draymond was one of the ten most valuable players in the league even before looking at postseason elevation.

False.

Green's decade in the league (ages 22-31) half of his seasons he played less than 2000 minutes, and in only 1 of his 10 seasons did he play more than even 2500 minutes. He's averaged just 1951 minutes a season. Kinda hard to be considered MVP material when you can't even stay on the floor.

Marion in the same age range played almost 10,000 more minutes in the regular season - that's almost 1000 more minutes per season. He averaged 2915 minutes a season. He was far more valuable than Green.

Even looking at the few seasons Green played 2000+ minutes (ages 24-28), Marion in the same age range was playing 3000+ minutes a season. Those 5 seasons Green averaged 2424 min/season, Marion 3202 min/season, and putting up 40 min/g, 20 pts/g, 10 reb/g, with really good defense, pretty much every one of his team's games.

Care to look up who averaged the most minutes played and minutes per game on the 2016 Warriors? I mean obviously it would need to be the unanimous league MVP, but you know, just for fun, maybe you should check.

Is this the latest Jordan argument now? Most valuable guy is the one playing the most minutes, end of discussion.

[penbeast0]

If two players are playing a disproportionate number of minutes, then you have to average in the lesser minute count with the minutes of the guys backing him up to get the same impact. I voted Dray in this poll but it's a legit point.

[G35]

Heads up, I am going to copy some parts of a recent post of mine, and then add on to it for this post.

I think Draymond is the right pick here. At least if we look at value in their respective situations, Draymond comes out ahead, and therefore I would need a convincing argument that Marion's impact translates better across teams and that Draymond's all-time impact is a fluke.



Therefore, while Marion's scoring edge is nice, I don't think we are talking about a star offensive player profile here. And because of the massive gap on defense, I still prefer Draymond's overall package.

So explain the 2019-2020 season when Steph and Klay were out and the Warriors won 15 games.

Then look at how Marion stepped up in 2006 when Amare was hurt the entire season and the Suns were the #2 seed and went to the WCF's.

Results matter, you pair Marion with Nash and he became the leading scorer, leading rebounder, leading shot blocker, and their best defender leading to 54 wins, the #2 ORTG, and 16th DRTG

Draymond had Wiggins, D'Angelo Russell, and a young Jordan Poole and they were the worst team in the league with a DRTG 26th and the worst offense ORTG 30th.

He's clearly not a difference maker when not in his ideal situation surrounded by ATG shooters and all around players like Iguodola and Wiggins.....

[AEnigma]

And how would the Suns have fared without Nash.

Also funny to see so much focus on 2020 Draymond on an abject roster, as if we did not see what Marion did in Miami and Toronto, with actual stars next to him.

[kazyv]

And how would the Suns have fared without Nash.

Also funny to see so much focus on 2020 Draymond on an abject roster, as if we did not see what Marion did in Miami and Toronto, with actual stars next to him.

first of all, you don't even get to start with suns/nash any kind of arguments like that. marion is a proven player on multiple different teams. his game speaks for itself.

draymond has done nothing without prime steph and/or klay, kd, iggy. and he mostly speaks for his game.

[penbeast0]

Actually, Marion outside of Phoenix was the role player some are saying he is here. He did play with multiple PGs in Phoenix getting similar levels of stats generally but with a major efficiency boost when Nash came in.