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Re: Quick stat snapshot of where the Sixers are after 3 games 

Post#21 » by Murray_17 » Sun Oct 23, 2022 11:15 pm

DCasey91 wrote:Harden/Embiid aren’t space creators both are huge revolvers. Seth created a ton of space by literally stepping foot on the court. You can leave guys like Melton/House/Tucker alone can you see the difference now?


Seth didn't createde space on his own, he played off Embiid DHO. Same as JJ, that's offense created thru Joel...

Saying that Harden doesn't create space is just rewriting history and something that isn't even valuable to discuss.

And let me say i don't understand why you would want open guys who shot above 35% on 3 attempts per game, that seem stupid IMO

DCasey91 wrote:Also Maxey has a push shot I’d be surprised if he shoots 37% from 3 this year. A lot more attention and a noticeably worse offensive list.



He already shot 41% on great volume and decent sample size, in his second year. What you're projecting is a massive decline.

DCasey91 wrote:Using per 36 for role players is wrong btw. They are role players after all.


In FGA attempts is good to use per 36 because it let's you know what are the projected attempts of those players as a ceiling. What's wrong is using percentages for 36 because it assume those players keep shooting the same percentage on increased volume.

DCasey91 wrote:You honestly don’t believe you can see the difference between Seth as our role player vs say Melton/House it’s a huge difference.

Seth - 5.6 attempts, 2.2 makes, 40%, 15ppg. Elite numbers
Danny - 5.4 attempts, 2 makes, 39.5%


Melton last season was 5.1 attempts on 37.4% and the previous season 4.1 attempts on 40.1%...

DCasey91 wrote:It’s pretty much the same for JJ/Roco


I love Roco, but he shot 33.3% and 36.9% on his last two seasons here. Kind of hilarious you have that leeway for him and are trying to condemn guys who have played 3 games here.

Covington actually shot worse than Melton last season on similar volume....


DCasey91 wrote:Those are serious outlets imo. I don’t think PJ + whoever is going to yeet it 10+ times a game, make more than 4 at basically 40%.

We have nowhere near the caliber of that.


Harden/Harris/Maxey averaged 17 attempts by themselves these 3 games....

If you get Melton and House to their normal averages that's 25 3's

This is not counting Joel, Tucker and Niang

DCasey91 wrote:Yes they are limited players but most versions of an Embiid centric offence had shooting I just think it’s the wrong approach to go all in on building around him as the primary focus. If you wanted that then the first thing to get would be a primary facilitator in the Rubio mould, because you don’t want Embiid controlling every part of the offence especially facilitating.


Hilariously enough, in this 3 games we averaged a similar amount of 3's than the previous two seasons (29.7 this 3 games versus 31.8 last season and 30.1 in 2020-2021) dude.

And just so you know, we took 30.2 the JJ/Beli/Dario/Cov year

Mind you, again, this is without House, Melton and Niang taking as many shoots as they should.

DCasey91 wrote:If you want a more in depth look at our oncoming shooting woes research adjusted shooting and nothing else (mostly 3par). It’s an eye opener. We lost a lot of structural flexibility and outside play.



You're using a 3 pt% stat for 3 games when we established like 6 posts ago that it was a hilarious sample size to say anything about our shooting percentages? something you actually agreed on?
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Re: Quick stat snapshot of where the Sixers are after 3 games 

Post#22 » by Monix » Mon Oct 24, 2022 12:24 am

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Post#23 » by Kobblehead » Mon Oct 24, 2022 12:25 am

Monix wrote:Paul Reed is not the answer to any question worth asking

Found Doc's burner account.
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Re: Quick stat snapshot of where the Sixers are after 3 games 

Post#24 » by mjkvol » Mon Oct 24, 2022 1:40 am

ExplosionsInDaSky wrote:I thought the plan was to go with more Reed this year. In my opinion he showed that he belonged in rotation.


Evidently the one guy who didn't get that memo was the head coach.
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Re: Quick stat snapshot of where the Sixers are after 3 games 

Post#25 » by Black Mage » Mon Oct 24, 2022 2:15 am

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Murray_17 wrote:I found more fun the Kobble gimmick of "Maxey isn't really good" last season instead of the new "Let's play Thybulle and Milton" this one.


I just think guys we draft and develop should get on the floor over scrub veteran journeyman who suck like House and Tucker. Especially when they bring traits to the table that we're desperately lacking.


How's Springer? Has he reached Kobe skillz yet? Or is he past Kobe and gunning for Jordan? :lol:
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Post#26 » by Kobblehead » Mon Oct 24, 2022 2:22 am

Springer is a really talented dribble, pass, shoot and defend prospect. Weird position you've taken in wanting to see him fail.
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Re: Quick stat snapshot of where the Sixers are after 3 games 

Post#27 » by Black Mage » Mon Oct 24, 2022 2:24 am

Kobblehead wrote:3PT FG%: 27th
Total RPG: 30th
APG: 28th
BPG: 23rd

P.J. Tucker doesn't offer much by way of blocks and rebounds. Paul Reed offers a lot by way of blocks and rebounds. Seems like an obvious fix.

Danuel House doesn't offer much by way of assists. Shake Milton offers a lot by way of assists. Seems like an obvious fix.


Just noting that getting 3pt % to league average ends up with us winning 1 if not 2 games.

The assists is a bigger issue. It has less to do with Shake versus House and more with Joel not passing out of double teams like he did last year and our offense turning even more into mannequins. We don't have any offensive identity or plan.
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Re: Quick stat snapshot of where the Sixers are after 3 games 

Post#28 » by Black Mage » Mon Oct 24, 2022 2:27 am

Kobblehead wrote:Springer is a really talented dribble, pass, shoot and defend prospect. Weird position you've taken in wanting to see him fail.


I don't, but you thinking he has dribble/shoot/pass talent when he has shown none of that even in garbage summer league where he looked almost as bad as Bassey should be remembered when you claim to know which guys should play over others.
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Post#29 » by 76ciology » Mon Oct 24, 2022 4:28 am

The slow pace is the one leading to poor shooting.

Aside from making major change with our starting unit, I also recommend we just go to Embiid to bail us out if the shotclock is running out or in end game situations. Its kind of how TD played in the Spurs final championship runs.

Something like cutting cutting 50-70% of embiid possessions on ISO, specially on non crunch time.

We need to get Maxey, Tobi and Harden run our drive and draw with opportunistic baskets for Biid around the rim or Tucker taking corner 3s. This way, you can max out the talent of this starting unit you’re running.

I find Biid setting fake screens that is leading to guys not getting separation. I dont want to think this is intentionally done by Biid so he can get the ball back, but… i can’t help but think he does it on purpose. Specially in the Celts game
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Post#30 » by 76ciology » Mon Oct 24, 2022 4:37 am

Defensively, we want to play this flawless switch defensive scheme. And for that to happen, you can’t be lazy on not stepping out or miscommunicate on who switch with whom or be a turnstile on defense off the switch. Once you break the chain it will collapse the entire defense.

That only covers getting in front of your man.

But rebounding, protecting shots around the paint and transition defense, these are structural issues that our current starting unit wont be able to solve.

If you have so much trust on this starting unit, then just run it like your version of deathball instead, rather than playing heavy minutes with it.

Kind of how Warriors run with Steph-Poole-Klay as deathball unit but they start Looney instead of Poole.
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Re: Quick stat snapshot of where the Sixers are after 3 games 

Post#31 » by 76ciology » Mon Oct 24, 2022 4:47 am

Also after 3 games

Embiid 27ppg 55% from 2
Harden 26ppg 50% from 2
Maxey 20ppg 55% from 2

Its not a “me” or a “we”season but a “3” season.
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Re: Quick stat snapshot of where the Sixers are after 3 games 

Post#32 » by mjkvol » Mon Oct 24, 2022 10:47 am

76ciology wrote:Aside from making major change with our starting unit, I also recommend we just go to Embiid to bail us out if the shotclock is running out or in end game situations. Its kind of how TD played in the Spurs final championship runs.

Something like cutting cutting 50-70% of embiid possessions on ISO, specially on non crunch time.


It's one thing to fantasize about it, and quite another to see this fantasy become reality.

And it is the height of fantasy imagining Doc Rivers changing his scheme this drastically, and even more his sitting Embiid down and telling him he will be the bail out option on offense from this point.
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Re: Quick stat snapshot of where the Sixers are after 3 games 

Post#33 » by youngcrev » Mon Oct 24, 2022 11:57 am

I can certainly get on board with "Reed needs to be playing over Harrell", but "Reed needs to be starting" feels pretty laughable. The guy looks lost on the floor on both ends a lot of the time. Hopefully Doc gives him some leash off the bench to figure that out in less consequential games rather than making it to the playoffs before realizing he needs him like last year. Although with Tucker as a small ball option it won't be quite as dire as last year.
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Post#34 » by 76ciology » Mon Oct 24, 2022 12:42 pm

Anyway..

Feels like a good idea to keep betting on the Sixers from the next game forward. Pacers at +11.5 looks like a trap for bettors.
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Re: Quick stat snapshot of where the Sixers are after 3 games 

Post#35 » by Mik317 » Mon Oct 24, 2022 1:09 pm

We should try **** something at the very least lol.

You claim to have all this depth but then don't use it.

Maybe you get a Korkmaz heater? Maybe Clippers Game Shake returns. Maybe Thybulles offseason work actually is real. I doubt it but throwing out the same lineups that has done nothing seems to be dumb. Try **** something lol
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Re: Quick stat snapshot of where the Sixers are after 3 games 

Post#36 » by Ferry Avenue » Mon Oct 24, 2022 1:42 pm

76ciology wrote:Also after 3 games

Embiid 27ppg 55% from 2
Harden 26ppg 50% from 2
Maxey 20ppg 55% from 2

Its not a “me” or a “we”season but a “3” season.

The variability for all three players is the problem there. After only three games a guy could be averaging 33 points a game if he scored 100 in one game and zero in the other two. This team needs all three of those players to get at least 20 to 25 nightly, not 40 one night and 12 the next.
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Post#37 » by 76ciology » Mon Oct 24, 2022 5:03 pm



Difference with Embiid and Malone is Malone would take the shot before the defender recovers. On the other hand, Embiid would wait for his man recover and would rather take the challenged jumper

But I think in G3 against the Spurs, he’s trying to drive more and punish his man who’s out of position trying to recover back to him
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Post#38 » by Negrodamus » Mon Oct 24, 2022 5:05 pm

76ciology wrote:

Difference with Embiid and Malone is Malone would take the shot before the defender recovers. On the other hand, Embiid would wait for his man recover and would rather take the challenged jumper

But I think in G3 against the Spurs, he’s trying to drive more and punish his man who’s out of position trying to recover back to him


I imagine after an entire career of being thrown the ball and baiting for fouls, it's hard to just be a C&S player despite the ease of the shot.
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Re: Quick stat snapshot of where the Sixers are after 3 games 

Post#39 » by 76ciology » Mon Oct 24, 2022 5:42 pm



Why you probably shouldnt be too hard with our team’s defense with how advanced teams runs PnR
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Post#40 » by 76ciology » Mon Oct 24, 2022 5:49 pm

Crazy that most, including me, thought this was scripted and intentional. But looking back this is so real :lol:

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