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Post#1061 » by Negrodamus » Mon Oct 24, 2022 2:00 pm

Stanford wrote:He'd be the second best player on the Sixers


He wouldn't play a minute so far this season because Doc doesn't think he's ready yet.
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Post#1062 » by 76ciology » Mon Oct 24, 2022 5:43 pm

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Stanford wrote:He'd be the second best player on the Sixers


He wouldn't play a minute so far this season because Doc doesn't think he's ready yet.


The doc doesnt use rookies unless it goes thru clinical trials
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Post#1063 » by Jailblazers7 » Mon Oct 24, 2022 7:37 pm

Weird that Branham has played 0 minutes so far for the Spurs
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Post#1064 » by DCasey91 » Mon Oct 24, 2022 10:33 pm

This years draft is definitely a ready to go one.

Banchero
Mathurin
Ivey
Eason
Smith Jr
Murray

100% believe they all could have played a year prior easily.
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Post#1065 » by Kobblehead » Mon Oct 24, 2022 11:01 pm

Jailblazers7 wrote:Weird that Branham has played 0 minutes so far for the Spurs

I'm guessing Primo gets the hook from the rotation soon. He's been really struggling with his shooting/efficiency.

Vassell and Richardson set the standard on defense for the Spurs SGs. Branham is going to have to get better defensively to get on the floor.
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Post#1066 » by phillynative » Tue Oct 25, 2022 9:02 am

Oh look the Bulls just took down the Celtics after being down big in the first half. If that was the sixers the Celtics would have won by 30+.

Bulls came back because they have a bunch of athletes that can run the floor and also speed up the pace(easy buckets).


Ball Movement 29 assists it's hard to crowd a player when the ball is zipping around getting guys open quality shots.

Long Athletes at every position especially the wings .(Patrick Williams ,Derozan, J.Green, Derek Jones Jr.) Its harder to shoot over these players compared to the sixers wings which is what the J's did to the sixers all game.

Bulls have the length and athleticism to throw at the J's but they also have the J's and Marcus Smart working on the other end with Derozan , Lavine and the ball movement (Vucevic had 5 assists).With the Sixers the J's aren't exerting as much energy on the defensive end except the bigs because they have telegraphed passes to Joel and him forcing it equaling easy turnovers, Maxey @ 6ft easily contested by celtics size on the peremiter. Slow Tobias who neither J's have had any trouble defending.

The sixers have a matchup issue with the Celtics that they will need to address at (after they figure out how to win together first)some point if they plan to go deep in the playoffs.

-The Celtics have 3 defensive combo guards and J.Brown that can defend Harden or Maxey.

- Jayson Tatum would be the 2nd biggest player on the sixers and with his height advantage has no problem shooting over any of the sixers defenders.

-The celtics defense is developed to crowd the paint and turn Joel over. Embiid has been inconsistent with his decision making and the celtics eat off that every time.

-Maxey should have a speed advantage but still figuring it out.

-Tobias and Pj are both undersized slow PFs. The J's outclass them in the athleticism department and have the defensive chops to get under Tobias.

-Sixers wings off the Bench are either 1 dimensional or just not good enough to be on the floor for too long.

-Al Horford can not only defend Joel with help but can go out to the Peremiter to defend. Robert Williams makes its easier for Joel because quite have the Iq yet but he locks down the paint against the rest of the sixers.
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Post#1067 » by 76ciology » Tue Oct 25, 2022 1:16 pm

phillynative wrote:Oh look the Bulls just took down the Celtics after being down big in the first half. If that was the sixers the Celtics would have won by 30+.

Bulls came back because they have a bunch of athletes that can run the floor and also speed up the pace(easy buckets).


Ball Movement 29 assists it's hard to crowd a player when the ball is zipping around getting guys open quality shots.

Long Athletes at every position especially the wings .(Patrick Williams ,Derozan, J.Green, Derek Jones Jr.) Its harder to shoot over these players compared to the sixers wings which is what the J's did to the sixers all game.

Bulls have the length and athleticism to throw at the J's but they also have the J's and Marcus Smart working on the other end with Derozan , Lavine and the ball movement (Vucevic had 5 assists).With the Sixers the J's aren't exerting as much energy on the defensive end except the bigs because they have telegraphed passes to Joel and him forcing it equaling easy turnovers, Maxey @ 6ft easily contested by celtics size on the peremiter. Slow Tobias who neither J's have had any trouble defending.

The sixers have a matchup issue with the Celtics that they will need to address at (after they figure out how to win together first)some point if they plan to go deep in the playoffs.

-The Celtics have 3 defensive combo guards and J.Brown that can defend Harden or Maxey.

- Jayson Tatum would be the 2nd biggest player on the sixers and with his height advantage has no problem shooting over any of the sixers defenders.

-The celtics defense is developed to crowd the paint and turn Joel over. Embiid has been inconsistent with his decision making and the celtics eat off that every time.

-Maxey should have a speed advantage but still figuring it out.

-Tobias and Pj are both undersized slow PFs. The J's outclass them in the athleticism department and have the defensive chops to get under Tobias.

-Sixers wings off the Bench are either 1 dimensional or just not good enough to be on the floor for too long.

-Al Horford can not only defend Joel with help but can go out to the Peremiter to defend. Robert Williams makes its easier for Joel because quite have the Iq yet but he locks down the paint against the rest of the sixers.


Nicely said.

But do you know why can’t Jojo step out and switch to one of the Js while Tucker or Tobias switch to Al Horford. This way we get a good challenge on offense, like what Warriors did in the finals?

I think in G1, there was a lot of miscommunications with the switching while Embiid still plays a lot of drop defense that lead to a lot of unchallenged jumpers

What worries me is Celts have long athletic wings while we have short and unathletic perimeter defenders that on transition it feels like that Jason Terry dunked by LeBron highlight



In my opinion, our championship hopes will lie with Harden scoring on ISO against someone like Al Horford or Portis and Embiid shooting over Marcus Smart or Jrue Holiday.
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Post#1068 » by youngcrev » Tue Oct 25, 2022 2:24 pm

76ciology wrote:
phillynative wrote:Oh look the Bulls just took down the Celtics after being down big in the first half. If that was the sixers the Celtics would have won by 30+.

Bulls came back because they have a bunch of athletes that can run the floor and also speed up the pace(easy buckets).


Ball Movement 29 assists it's hard to crowd a player when the ball is zipping around getting guys open quality shots.

Long Athletes at every position especially the wings .(Patrick Williams ,Derozan, J.Green, Derek Jones Jr.) Its harder to shoot over these players compared to the sixers wings which is what the J's did to the sixers all game.

Bulls have the length and athleticism to throw at the J's but they also have the J's and Marcus Smart working on the other end with Derozan , Lavine and the ball movement (Vucevic had 5 assists).With the Sixers the J's aren't exerting as much energy on the defensive end except the bigs because they have telegraphed passes to Joel and him forcing it equaling easy turnovers, Maxey @ 6ft easily contested by celtics size on the peremiter. Slow Tobias who neither J's have had any trouble defending.

The sixers have a matchup issue with the Celtics that they will need to address at (after they figure out how to win together first)some point if they plan to go deep in the playoffs.

-The Celtics have 3 defensive combo guards and J.Brown that can defend Harden or Maxey.

- Jayson Tatum would be the 2nd biggest player on the sixers and with his height advantage has no problem shooting over any of the sixers defenders.

-The celtics defense is developed to crowd the paint and turn Joel over. Embiid has been inconsistent with his decision making and the celtics eat off that every time.

-Maxey should have a speed advantage but still figuring it out.

-Tobias and Pj are both undersized slow PFs. The J's outclass them in the athleticism department and have the defensive chops to get under Tobias.

-Sixers wings off the Bench are either 1 dimensional or just not good enough to be on the floor for too long.

-Al Horford can not only defend Joel with help but can go out to the Peremiter to defend. Robert Williams makes its easier for Joel because quite have the Iq yet but he locks down the paint against the rest of the sixers.


Nicely said.

But do you know why can’t Jojo step out and switch to one of the Js while Tucker or Tobias switch to Al Horford. This way we get a good challenge on offense, like what Warriors did in the finals?

I think in G1, there was a lot of miscommunications with the switching while Embiid still plays a lot of drop defense that lead to a lot of unchallenged jumpers

What worries me is Celts have long athletic wings while we have short and unathletic perimeter defenders that on transition it feels like that Jason Terry dunked by LeBron highlight



In my opinion, our championship hopes will lie with Harden scoring on ISO against someone like Al Horford or Portis and Embiid shooting over Marcus Smart or Jrue Holiday.


Embiid is capable of switching, but it's just too taxing on him to do it consistently, and honestly, drop coverage with your elite rim protector is generally a pretty effective strategy during the regular season. It stands out when you've got a guy killing you walking into midrange pull ups, but strategically having them take a large volume of those is usually a win. I do think it's good practice to hard hedge or switch every once in a while just to throw a different look out there though.
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Post#1069 » by mjkvol » Tue Oct 25, 2022 7:35 pm

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Post#1070 » by Kobblehead » Wed Oct 26, 2022 12:53 am

Is Killian Hayes another one of these guys with bad work ethic who doesn't care about basketball?

He's a jumpshot away from being a complete player and he just doesn't improve ever.
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Post#1071 » by 76ciology » Wed Oct 26, 2022 6:41 am

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76ciology wrote:
phillynative wrote:Oh look the Bulls just took down the Celtics after being down big in the first half. If that was the sixers the Celtics would have won by 30+.

Bulls came back because they have a bunch of athletes that can run the floor and also speed up the pace(easy buckets).


Ball Movement 29 assists it's hard to crowd a player when the ball is zipping around getting guys open quality shots.

Long Athletes at every position especially the wings .(Patrick Williams ,Derozan, J.Green, Derek Jones Jr.) Its harder to shoot over these players compared to the sixers wings which is what the J's did to the sixers all game.

Bulls have the length and athleticism to throw at the J's but they also have the J's and Marcus Smart working on the other end with Derozan , Lavine and the ball movement (Vucevic had 5 assists).With the Sixers the J's aren't exerting as much energy on the defensive end except the bigs because they have telegraphed passes to Joel and him forcing it equaling easy turnovers, Maxey @ 6ft easily contested by celtics size on the peremiter. Slow Tobias who neither J's have had any trouble defending.

The sixers have a matchup issue with the Celtics that they will need to address at (after they figure out how to win together first)some point if they plan to go deep in the playoffs.

-The Celtics have 3 defensive combo guards and J.Brown that can defend Harden or Maxey.

- Jayson Tatum would be the 2nd biggest player on the sixers and with his height advantage has no problem shooting over any of the sixers defenders.

-The celtics defense is developed to crowd the paint and turn Joel over. Embiid has been inconsistent with his decision making and the celtics eat off that every time.

-Maxey should have a speed advantage but still figuring it out.

-Tobias and Pj are both undersized slow PFs. The J's outclass them in the athleticism department and have the defensive chops to get under Tobias.

-Sixers wings off the Bench are either 1 dimensional or just not good enough to be on the floor for too long.

-Al Horford can not only defend Joel with help but can go out to the Peremiter to defend. Robert Williams makes its easier for Joel because quite have the Iq yet but he locks down the paint against the rest of the sixers.


Nicely said.

But do you know why can’t Jojo step out and switch to one of the Js while Tucker or Tobias switch to Al Horford. This way we get a good challenge on offense, like what Warriors did in the finals?

I think in G1, there was a lot of miscommunications with the switching while Embiid still plays a lot of drop defense that lead to a lot of unchallenged jumpers

What worries me is Celts have long athletic wings while we have short and unathletic perimeter defenders that on transition it feels like that Jason Terry dunked by LeBron highlight



In my opinion, our championship hopes will lie with Harden scoring on ISO against someone like Al Horford or Portis and Embiid shooting over Marcus Smart or Jrue Holiday.


Embiid is capable of switching, but it's just too taxing on him to do it consistently, and honestly, drop coverage with your elite rim protector is generally a pretty effective strategy during the regular season. It stands out when you've got a guy killing you walking into midrange pull ups, but strategically having them take a large volume of those is usually a win. I do think it's good practice to hard hedge or switch every once in a while just to throw a different look out there though.


Yeah, i agree that drop coverage is pretty effective in RS. Hell, Gobert made a career out of it and it’s why Jazz have been great in RS.

But if you want to be the champion, you can’t run heavy volume of drop defense in RS. There is a learning curve with switching on defense and attacking opponent’s switching defense, we saw it with Bucks in 2020-2021 and Celts 2021-2022, where both teams struggled early on but this is needed just so when playoff happens you can be advanced with how you run a non-drop coverage defensive scheme.

Currently, we should try to completely eliminate drop defense and elementary PnR and ISO offense. These two things are easy for a team that has less talent, has length but are more advanced with switching and attacking switch defense like the Raps or Heat squad.

Right now, our defense dont strike fear to our opponent. Our offense is easy to read and recover. We can’t just shift it into another gear by playoffs just as you can’t run the triangle offense or princeton offense suddenly in the playoffs, because a lot of this involves read and react.

we have the talent but we just need to improve with our read and react skills that if you have both of these, you will be right there with the Celtics and the Warriors.
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Post#1072 » by 76ciology » Wed Oct 26, 2022 6:44 am

Kobblehead wrote:Is Killian Hayes another one of these guys with bad work ethic who doesn't care about basketball?

He's a jumpshot away from being a complete player and he just doesn't improve ever.


One of those guys who are bad on basketball but knows what teams look for guard prospects and fake it.

Basic PG package
- Pull up jumper or floater for 2 man game
- Stepback jumper for Iso
- a good looking shooting stroke

If you have that you should be ranked high. And if your shooting is real or you have elite size for the position, you can be a lotto pick.

The game is basically a PnR and ISO contest. So everyone tries to develop the same skillset. Then you just have to run a dribble drive system to take advantage of this. Constantly run screen play, attack the holes in the defense or weak link. Collapse and kickout to shooter.
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Post#1073 » by 76ciology » Wed Oct 26, 2022 7:06 am

Read on Twitter


Im not gonna drop names. But this is whats wrong with the league nowadays.

Guys dont get paid unless they can create on scoring. So a player who can create wouldnt want to settle as a screener. So they make these kind of shadow screens to get the ball.

This is leading to a lot of your turn my turn style basketball.
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Post#1074 » by DCasey91 » Wed Oct 26, 2022 7:13 am

No your wrong, like way wrong. Coach would have cut sick on Smith JR.

Green was making the whole play in fact he was the only one moving without the ball.

Weak screen into wanting the ball in the wrong spot definite low IQ moment there.

KPJ was eyeing Green through the whole action until Smith JR muffed it, made it look alot worse calling for it when he’s well covered. He’s a rookie he’ll learn. But the sad thing is that’s literally a school play that you learn lol. There’s also a pecking order

Anyway that is literally the most basic scheme/set, concept in the NBA I see nothing wrong with it.
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Post#1075 » by 76ciology » Wed Oct 26, 2022 7:21 am

DCasey91 wrote:No your wrong, like way wrong. Coach would have cut sick on Smith JR.

Green was making the whole play in fact he was the only one moving without the ball.

Weak screen into wanting the ball in the wrong spot definite low IQ moment there.

KPJ was eyeing Green through the whole action until Smith JR muffed it, made it look alot worse calling for it when he’s well covered. He’s a rookie he’ll learn. But the sad thing is that’s literally a school play that you learn lol.


I dont think u got me. But I also think Jabari Smith was wrong in that action. Smith intentionally set that weak screen just so he can get the ball back. Smith was having a good game so he wants to build on that.
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Post#1076 » by DCasey91 » Wed Oct 26, 2022 7:25 am

What’s there to get? You said that’s what’s wrong with the league but that play is literally one of the first things you learn as a scheme lol. The play is obviously for Green to go into multiple options.

All Jabari had to do from the second phase (first action was squished through Smith’s fault) was to get closer to KPJ, for a screen/another action into pnr/pick and pop or drive from the ballhandler. It’s not concerning per say but this is basic stuff.
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Post#1077 » by 76ciology » Wed Oct 26, 2022 7:30 am

DCasey91 wrote:What’s there to get? You said that’s what’s wrong with the league but that play is literally one of the first things you learn as a scheme lol. The play is obviously for Green to go into multiple options.

All Jabari had to do from the second phase (first action was squished through Smith’s fault) was to get closer to KPJ, for a screen/another action into pnr/pick and pop or drive from the ballhandler. It’s not concerning per say but this is basic stuff.


Whats wrong with the league is, everyone’s looking to score. So its hard to ask for a scorer to set a screen for another scorer.
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Post#1078 » by DCasey91 » Wed Oct 26, 2022 7:35 am

76ciology wrote:
DCasey91 wrote:What’s there to get? You said that’s what’s wrong with the league but that play is literally one of the first things you learn as a scheme lol. The play is obviously for Green to go into multiple options.

All Jabari had to do from the second phase (first action was squished through Smith’s fault) was to get closer to KPJ, for a screen/another action into pnr/pick and pop or drive from the ballhandler. It’s not concerning per say but this is basic stuff.


Whats wrong with the league is, everyone’s looking to score. So its hard to ask for a scorer to set a screen for another scorer.


You’re not serious are you? He’s 6”10 a big guy, heck even KD sets multiple screens for others a game.
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Post#1079 » by 76ciology » Wed Oct 26, 2022 7:44 am

DCasey91 wrote:
76ciology wrote:
DCasey91 wrote:What’s there to get? You said that’s what’s wrong with the league but that play is literally one of the first things you learn as a scheme lol. The play is obviously for Green to go into multiple options.

All Jabari had to do from the second phase (first action was squished through Smith’s fault) was to get closer to KPJ, for a screen/another action into pnr/pick and pop or drive from the ballhandler. It’s not concerning per say but this is basic stuff.


Whats wrong with the league is, everyone’s looking to score. So its hard to ask for a scorer to set a screen for another scorer.


You’re not serious are you? He’s 6”10 a big guy, heck even KD sets multiple screens for others a game.


Im serious and thats just my opinion. Where im wrong is maybe i should say not everyone but for me its most scoring players.
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Post#1080 » by Mik317 » Wed Oct 26, 2022 1:05 pm

what I think he;s trying to say is that the inherit issue of team building is that egos have to be placed aside and with young teams its hard because everyone is trying to establish themselves as the man and the best way to do so is to be the scorer.

also worth noting , don't remember where I heard it from but they legit don't teach screening like that anymore
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