Lakers Trade IDEAS

eminence · Post #541 » by **eminence** » Wed Oct 19, 2022 6:51 pm

wco81 wrote:If the Lakers don't trade Westbrook this season, will they have cap space for 2 or 3 good rotation players in free agency, at the $15-20 million a year level?

Obviously Kyrie would be a target but maybe bring back Kuzma or go for Trent as another shooter?

The Lebron-Draymond hug last night seems to be an indication that Klutch is trying to get Draymond to LA. But would the Lakers pay him over $30 million that he wants, probably for 3-4 seasons?

Seems like there are some players who could help but their prices may allow Lakers only to sign 2 of them for Westbrook's expiring $47 million rather than maybe try to get 3.

https://hoopshype.com/lists/2023-nba-free-agency-agent-rankings/

Quantity or quality?

Probably not, they'd be pretty lucky to get two decent guys, no shot at 3. Cap predicted to be ~134M. LeBron/AD/Christie/Jones is just a bit over 90M, throw in some minimum cap holds and they'll have like 35M for 1-2 guys.

NYG · Post #542 » by **NYG** » Fri Oct 21, 2022 1:58 am

The Westbrook deal doesn't exist yet IMO. The options available to them right now aren't it.

My take is he won't be traded unless they can get a guy that's made one of the past 2 all-star games. Excluding the replacements, here's the list...

Spoiler:

If there's a Westbrook trade then one of those players will be going back to the Lakers. Otherwise, keeping Westbrook, letting him expire, keeping their picks and signing Kyrie Irving is a much better option for them and I don't see Pelinka doubling down on keeping LeBron happy by compounding the mistake of the Westbrook trade and rushing it if they can't get a guy on that list.

Eric Bieniemy · Post #543 » by **Eric Bieniemy** » Fri Oct 21, 2022 7:17 pm

Westbrook, Beverley, Max Christie, and the two unprotected picks for LaMelo Ball, Hayward, and Rozier.

loveshaq786 · Post #544 » by **loveshaq786** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 5:25 am

Eric Bieniemy wrote:Westbrook, Beverley, Max Christie, and the two unprotected picks for LaMelo Ball, Hayward, and Rozier.

LaMelo will only be traded for a superstar

Westbrook, nunn, christie and 3 first round picks for KD and seth

Kyrie Will ask for a buyout

zuju · Post #545 » by **zuju** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 7:35 am

Eric Bieniemy wrote:Westbrook, Beverley, Max Christie, and the two unprotected picks for LaMelo Ball, Hayward, and Rozier.

Hornets would clearly say NO to this proposal.

If the lakers can keep a little bit more patient while staying 0.500 near all star week, there is a huge change we can see a very nice offer. Look at Utah, they won 2 games in a row. They want to tank. They may be willing to sell Conley and co for expiring contracts. Not only Utah, teams will see how they should go in the next few months. New opportunities will come.

Eric Bieniemy · Post #546 » by **Eric Bieniemy** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 1:52 pm

zuju wrote:
Eric Bieniemy wrote:Westbrook, Beverley, Max Christie, and the two unprotected picks for LaMelo Ball, Hayward, and Rozier.

Hornets would clearly say NO to this proposal.

If the lakers can keep a little bit more patient while staying 0.500 near all star week, there is a huge change we can see a very nice offer. Look at Utah, they won 2 games in a row. They want to tank. They may be willing to sell Conley and co for expiring contracts. Not only Utah, teams will see how they should go in the next few months. New opportunities will come.

I agree about there being other deals later, regarding Ball though, he won't resign in Charlotte. He'll take the qualifying offer in two years and become an unrestricted free agent. If the Lakers have capspace in 25/26, they'll be able to nab him. Charlotte would be smart to cash him in soon, and considering the fact they have two bad contracts on the team they'd like to jettison, Miles Bridges on ice, and a generational talent in next year's draft, now is as good of a time as ever to get two golden draft picks, cap relief, and improved draft positioning (for Wembanyana).

loveshaq786 · Post #547 » by **loveshaq786** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 4:51 pm

with duarte getting out played

Myles Turner, buddy hield, and duarte for Westbrook 2 picks and our first round guy

What do you guys think about turning Turner for Draymond Green?

zuju · Post #548 » by **zuju** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 5:05 pm

I'd rather sign josh jackson for wing depth than moe harkless

Post #549 » by **Kilroy** » Sat Oct 22, 2022 9:32 pm

loveshaq786 wrote:with duarte getting out played

Myles Turner, buddy hield, and duarte for Westbrook 2 picks and our first round guy

What do you guys think about turning Turner for Draymond Green?

Why would we trade a 6'11, shot blocking big, with 3pt range for Dray Green? Not to mention why trade 26yo for a 32yo...

Post #550 » by **crazyeights** » Mon Oct 24, 2022 10:29 pm

Who says no:

Spurs (incoming):
Westbrook (47.0m/1y)
LAL '27 1st (un)

Pacers (incoming):
Lakers '29 1st (un)
Jacob Poetl (9.3m/1y)
McDermott (13.7m/2y)
Kendrick Nunn (5.3/1y)

Lakers (incoming):
Myles Turner (18.0m/1y)
Josh Richardson (12.0m/1y)
Buddy Hield (21.1M/2y)

TylersLakers · Post #551 » by **TylersLakers** » Mon Oct 24, 2022 10:34 pm

Rob needs to get on the phone now.

1) Charlotte

Hayward, Rozier, PJ Washington for Westbrook, Nunn, Gabriel, 2027 1st, 2029 1st

PG: Beverley/Rozier/Schroder
SG: Walker/Reaves/Christie
SF: Hayward/Brown Jr/Ryan
PF: LeBron/PJ Washington/JTA/
C: Davis/Jones/Bryant

- Hayward and LeBron give you more than enough playmaking
- Rozier (40% 3PT, 38% for career) , PJ Washington (44% 3PT this season, 38% for career), Hayward (37% 3PT career) - completely fix the shooting issues
- The only thing you "lose" on this deal is giving up the picks and Rozier's perimeter D when he's playing. However, if he's that bad, you put in Schroder when healthy and that fixes everything. Or you play bigger (Reaves, Brown Jr).
- If I'm getting PJ Washington back, I easily give up 2 1sts to make this deal happen.

2) Utah Jazz

- Beasley, Clarkson, Mike Conley, Rudy Gay for Westbrook, Nunn, Gabriel, 2027 1st (unprotected) + 2023 2nd round pick

PG: Beverley/Conley/Schroder
SG: Beasley/Clarkson/Christie
SF: Walker/Reaves/Brown Jr/
PF: LeBron/Gay/JTA
C: Davis/Jones/Bryant

- Conley probably doesn't play when Schroder's healthy but he's a great teammate and contract. Not shooting great to start the season so far but he'd lead our team at 31% LMAO. On a bench role playing with LeBron - can he be a spot-up shooter for 10-20 MPG?
- Completely fixes the shooting woes. Clarkson 42% so far this season. Beasley almost 39% 3PT for career. Gay shooting 46% (!!) from 3PT this season.
- Only negative to this trade is Clarkson, Beasley and Gay are three guys you have to make minutes for and all are either solid (Gay, Beasley) or below average (Clarkson) or horrid (Conley) defenders. Reaves' role would be diminished most likely and Brown Jr. and JTA would be out of the rotation completely.

Both teams would make this team a lot more fun to watch. ESPECIALLY the Charlotte deal.

TylersLakers · Post #552 » by **TylersLakers** » Mon Oct 24, 2022 10:49 pm

crazyeights wrote:Who says no:

Spurs (incoming):
Westbrook (47.0m/1y)
LAL '27 1st (un)

Pacers (incoming):
Lakers '29 1st (un)
Jacob Poetl (9.3m/1y)
McDermott (13.7m/2y)
Kendrick Nunn (5.3/1y)

Lakers (incoming):
Myles Turner (18.0m/1y)
Josh Richardson (12.0m/1y)
Buddy Hield (21.1M/2y)

Spurs I'd think. If the Pacers aren't acquiring Westbrook, I'm sure they'd be more willing to give up Hield and Turner for only 1 pick. Their hard line in the sand has been 2 picks but that's WITH acquiring Westbrook.

The Spurs are taking on Westbrook, giving up some solid/nice pieces and only getting the 1 pick. Not sure that's enough. Add on the fact that the Spurs have taken the nazi route in anything involving the Lakers over the years and that's probably your team.

Anyone ever think back to when Kawhi wanted a trade to the LA teams from San Antonio? And instead of getting "a godfather" Laker offer involving packages that would've included Randle, Ball, Ingram, Kuzma, picks - instead they got DeRozan and Poetl? LOL.

Post #553 » by **crazyeights** » Mon Oct 24, 2022 11:16 pm

TylersLakers wrote:
crazyeights wrote:Who says no:

Spurs (incoming):
Westbrook (47.0m/1y)
LAL '27 1st (un)

Pacers (incoming):
Lakers '29 1st (un)
Jacob Poetl (9.3m/1y)
McDermott (13.7m/2y)
Kendrick Nunn (5.3/1y)

Lakers (incoming):
Myles Turner (18.0m/1y)
Josh Richardson (12.0m/1y)
Buddy Hield (21.1M/2y)

Spurs I'd think. If the Pacers aren't acquiring Westbrook, I'm sure they'd be more willing to give up Hield and Turner for only 1 pick. Their hard line in the sand has been 2 picks but that's WITH acquiring Westbrook.

The Spurs are taking on Westbrook, giving up some solid/nice pieces and only getting the 1 pick. Not sure that's enough. Add on the fact that the Spurs have taken the nazi route in anything involving the Lakers over the years and that's probably your team.

Anyone ever think back to when Kawhi wanted a trade to the LA teams from San Antonio? And instead of getting "a godfather" Laker offer involving packages that would've included Randle, Ball, Ingram, Kuzma, picks - instead they got DeRozan and Poetl? LOL.

My thinking w/ the Spurs is they're shedding year 2 salary of McDermott. Articles I read over the summer made it seem like he was dead weight salary ballast that the Lakers weren't interested in. Poetl is nice, but that's why he's added to the Pacers, softening their demand for a FRP for each of Turner and Hield.

The main thing is anyone watching the Lakers this season can see that a future FRP is as good as gold. Once we blow it up again we're gonna be terrible for a long, long time. That's the key to the FO's resistance to make a deal right now--that it has to be a home run, otherwise why trade the future picks that we'll need when we're due to be star-less and in rebuild mode.

Thus, if we're going to let go of 2 picks, it'd better solve most of our shooting and fit issues.

For the Spurs to reject what's projects to be gold for the likes of a Poetl-- a non-3pt shooting, 27yo center, when they're not going to be good for years is incredibly short sighted. Especially as he's an expiring.

loveshaq786 · Post #554 » by **loveshaq786** » Mon Oct 24, 2022 11:54 pm

Kilroy wrote:
loveshaq786 wrote:with duarte getting out played

Myles Turner, buddy hield, and duarte for Westbrook 2 picks and our first round guy

What do you guys think about turning Turner for Draymond Green?

Why would we trade a 6'11, shot blocking big, with 3pt range for Dray Green? Not to mention why trade 26yo for a 32yo...

health, toughness, championships

Post #555 » by **Kilroy** » Tue Oct 25, 2022 4:11 am

loveshaq786 wrote:
Kilroy wrote:
loveshaq786 wrote:with duarte getting out played

Myles Turner, buddy hield, and duarte for Westbrook 2 picks and our first round guy

What do you guys think about turning Turner for Draymond Green?

Why would we trade a 6'11, shot blocking big, with 3pt range for Dray Green? Not to mention why trade 26yo for a 32yo...

health, toughness, championships

Dray is healthier than Turner? They both averaged 50gp over the last 3 seasons...

Dray is toughest in practice... With AD, Turner, and LeBron, next to Pat Bev, we don't really need any more slow, tough dudes with championship experience... We have enough of all that.
We don't have Klay and Curry.... Undersized bigs who can't shoot just add to our problems, not alleviate them.

Post #556 » by **Slava** » Tue Oct 25, 2022 8:46 am

We could have hung onto the 2019-20 title winning team, making some changes at the fringes with exceptions and minimum level deals and still been completely fine and better than the mess we are in today.

LeBron - still at a high level.
Davis - He is what he is, good when healthy.
Kuzma - Entering his prime years after having made great strides as a wing defender.
Caruso - DPOY candidate who's only grown in stature since then.
KCP - Solid, no nonsense 3&D wing.
McGee - Still a solid starting quality center.
THT - Didn't develop as expected but retained some value until the new contract before being flipped for a quality rotation piece in Beverley.
Markieff Morris - Minimum level contributor.

Danny Green - Past his days but could have been flipped for some value.
Rajon Rondo - Semi-retired.
Avery Bradley - Semi-retired.
Dwight Howard - Semi-retired.
Quinn Cook, Kostas, JR, Waiters, Daniels etc - Out of the league.

Eric Bieniemy · Post #557 » by **Eric Bieniemy** » Tue Oct 25, 2022 1:57 pm

Westbrook, Walker, Nunn, Reaves, Christie, Bryant, Beverley, and two unprotected firsts

for

Ball, Rozier, Hayward, Oubre, Plumlee, and Bouknight

Lakers get a star and additional shooting and wing depth.

Charlotte tanks for Web, clears all their salary, and gets young prospects and two very valuable unprotected picks for Ball (who they know/think won't resign).

loveshaq786 · Post #558 » by **loveshaq786** » Tue Oct 25, 2022 2:40 pm

Eric Bieniemy wrote:Westbrook, Walker, Nunn, Reaves, Christie, Bryant, Beverley, and two unprotected firsts

for

Ball, Rozier, Hayward, Oubre, Plumlee, and Bouknight

Lakers get a star and additional shooting and wing depth.

Charlotte tanks for Web, clears all their salary, and gets young prospects and two very valuable unprotected picks for Ball (who they know/think won't resign).

I like rozier, Hayward, and Pj Washington... for Westbrook, Christie, nunn, and the next available unprotected pic

Eric Bieniemy · Post #559 » by **Eric Bieniemy** » Tue Oct 25, 2022 6:33 pm

loveshaq786 wrote:
Eric Bieniemy wrote:Westbrook, Walker, Nunn, Reaves, Christie, Bryant, Beverley, and two unprotected firsts

for

Ball, Rozier, Hayward, Oubre, Plumlee, and Bouknight

Lakers get a star and additional shooting and wing depth.

Charlotte tanks for Web, clears all their salary, and gets young prospects and two very valuable unprotected picks for Ball (who they know/think won't resign).

I like rozier, Hayward, and Pj Washington... for Westbrook, Christie, nunn, and the next available unprotected pic

Unprotected picks five years out from a middling team led by a damn-near 40 year old are valuable as hell. The Lakers were able to draft Magic Johnson and James Worthy with unprotected picks given to them by foolishly ran franchises. I'm extremely proud of Pelinka for standing his ground. Teams are obviously bending the Lakers over. I only give up an unprotected pick for a special player (ie. Ball or Irving). Otherwise, these teams can kick rocks. The Lakers gave up way too much for Davis and way too much for Westbrook. At some point you have to stop giving teams blank checks.

wco81 · Post #560 » by **wco81** » Tue Oct 25, 2022 7:14 pm

Keep those picks but even if both of those picks hit, it's probably 2-3 seasons before those players hit a high ceiling like all-NBA.

So it could be over 10 years from now before those picks produce star players, if everything goes right.

Zach Lowe was saying they may be hoping that a star like Lillard or Beal becomes available if the teams they're on get off to a bad start.

Well Lillard is probably off the table but maybe Beal will ask out.

I don't think WB and two picks though would be enough for Beal.

He also mentioned DeRozan. That might be a possibility.