Around The League: 2021-2022 Season 2.0

[Negrodamus]

Jabari has no business being an on ball scorer. Make a career off pick and pop. Is better that he's entering a team where there's already established creators, otherwise he'd turn into Embiid, lol.

[76ciology]

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This guy has looked nice so far

[Jailblazers7]

Teams should really be opening up their pocket books to raid the Grizzlies scouting and player development staff.

[Kobblehead]

Jabari Smith has kind of been a butthole this year. He takes 14 FGA per game yet he has just a 5.7% assist percentage. He's been a very selfish player through the first several games. He was a much better passer at Auburn.

[Kobblehead]

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Im not gonna drop names. But this is whats wrong with the league nowadays.

Guys dont get paid unless they can create on scoring. So a player who can create wouldnt want to settle as a screener. So they make these kind of shadow screens to get the ball.

This is leading to a lot of your turn my turn style basketball.

I get what you're saying and agree with you. However, I don't think this is as much a league problem as it is just a young players on the same team problem. Like you said, these dudes are fighting to establish the pecking order. A 26 year old Jabari Smith, validated with numbers and a max contract and being more mature likely sets a screen for Green with no issue.

[Jailblazers7]

I ponied up for Timberwolves season tickets this year so maybe I’ll just start doing some reviews from those games.

I was really impressed with Sochan tonight I’m a believer now. Really impressive defensive qualities and decent feel offense even if the shot will be a project.

I think Jaylen Nowell will win a 6th man of the year award at some point in his career.

[DCasey91]

The Smith/Green thing is a storm in a tea cup but I believe it’s more a fundamental problem at youth level as well as a cultural one.

Euros by and large have sound fundamentals despite not being athletic (that’s fast changing where it’ll be no more).

I just think NBA in general has a developmental issue, kids in soccer for example are beyond polished because they go into pro/world class systems before even 16.

Imagine the same euro style approach (hands down best approach worldwide not close) to USA basketball, would bring in unbelievable results and less draft busts at the top. Mix Lebron prodigious talent junior with Luka’s professional pathway that’s an easy GOAT.

[76thBearCub]

Pretty impressive the main stream media discovered the Lakers ain't ****. Such elegant work they've done

[Zumramania]

The Smith/Green thing is a storm in a tea cup but I believe it’s more a fundamental problem at youth level as well as a cultural one.

Euros by and large have sound fundamentals despite not being athletic (that’s fast changing where it’ll be no more).

I just think NBA in general has a developmental issue, kids in soccer for example are beyond polished because they go into pro/world class systems before even 16.

Imagine the same euro style approach (hands down best approach worldwide not close) to USA basketball, would bring in unbelievable results and less draft busts at the top. Mix Lebron prodigious talent junior with Luka’s professional pathway that’s an easy GOAT.

Yes, but how would this work? There would have to be professional clubs in the US not affiliated to NBA teams, because it would be bizarre if a player was scouted by and developed by an NBA team from the age of 7 and then at 18 he would take part in the draft where he could get drafted to another team. And you have US college basketball as a different universe as well.

But yeah, the current system is weird IMO, because e.g., Lebron went to an actual high school and played for his high school team, that doesn't make any sense from a European point of view. In Europe even very average players play for clubs and not for their high school teams, high school (and college) basketball is just for amateur players or for players who quit professional basketball at some point.

[Negrodamus]

I ponied up for Timberwolves season tickets this year so maybe I’ll just start doing some reviews from those games.

I was really impressed with Sochan tonight I’m a believer now. Really impressive defensive qualities and decent feel offense even if the shot will be a project.

I think Jaylen Nowell will win a 6th man of the year award at some point in his career.

Jaylen should be starting now. I’m waiting for the TWolves to botch their handling of him. He’s hit another level of progression on offense. Will be a force.

[DCasey91]

The Smith/Green thing is a storm in a tea cup but I believe it’s more a fundamental problem at youth level as well as a cultural one.

Euros by and large have sound fundamentals despite not being athletic (that’s fast changing where it’ll be no more).

I just think NBA in general has a developmental issue, kids in soccer for example are beyond polished because they go into pro/world class systems before even 16.

Imagine the same euro style approach (hands down best approach worldwide not close) to USA basketball, would bring in unbelievable results and less draft busts at the top. Mix Lebron prodigious talent junior with Luka’s professional pathway that’s an easy GOAT.

Yes, but how would this work? There would have to be professional clubs in the US not affiliated to NBA teams, because it would be bizarre if a player was scouted by and developed by an NBA team from the age of 7 and then at 18 he would take part in the draft where he could get drafted to another team. And you have US college basketball as a different universe as well.

But yeah, the current system is weird IMO, because e.g., Lebron went to an actual high school and played for his high school team, that doesn't make any sense from a European point of view. In Europe even very average players play for clubs and not for their high school teams, high school (and college) basketball is just for amateur players or for players who quit professional basketball at some point.

Professional teams from around the world acquire young talent across multiple sports not just soccer, they’d still be in school of course just training with the pros.

It makes no sense when arguably the USA is the biggest sports front yet so behind on development. No in between club needed. Imagine Lebron getting 2 years when he’s 16 training with pros the results would be astonishing.

As far as I can tell there’s no legitimate junior academy which is asinine. Therefore it suffers the kids games tremendously. A whole heap of sports that have less funding have excellent elite junior academies so why should basketball be different?

Alternatively the Majors has it bang on developing young players through A, AA, AAA and that’s been around for yonks. I just think domestically NBA has a long long way to go.

Some kid by the name of Sachin was facing goat tier bowlers years before he could be allowed to drink, for those who don’t know the name he’s basically GOD in India. He was arguably the most special talent pre turn of the century but the pathway of nurturing that talent when over half the country is in poverty is a damning comparison.

[mjkvol]

The Smith/Green thing is a storm in a tea cup but I believe it’s more a fundamental problem at youth level as well as a cultural one.

Euros by and large have sound fundamentals despite not being athletic (that’s fast changing where it’ll be no more).

I just think NBA in general has a developmental issue, kids in soccer for example are beyond polished because they go into pro/world class systems before even 16.

Imagine the same euro style approach (hands down best approach worldwide not close) to USA basketball, would bring in unbelievable results and less draft busts at the top. Mix Lebron prodigious talent junior with Luka’s professional pathway that’s an easy GOAT.

Yes, but how would this work? There would have to be professional clubs in the US not affiliated to NBA teams, because it would be bizarre if a player was scouted by and developed by an NBA team from the age of 7 and then at 18 he would take part in the draft where he could get drafted to another team. And you have US college basketball as a different universe as well.

But yeah, the current system is weird IMO, because e.g., Lebron went to an actual high school and played for his high school team, that doesn't make any sense from a European point of view. In Europe even very average players play for clubs and not for their high school teams, high school (and college) basketball is just for amateur players or for players who quit professional basketball at some point.

Professional teams from around the world acquire young talent across multiple sports not just soccer, they’d still be in school of course just training with the pros.

It makes no sense when arguably the USA is the biggest sports front yet so behind on development. No in between club needed. Imagine Lebron getting 2 years when he’s 16 training with pros the results would be astonishing.

As far as I can tell there’s no legitimate junior academy which is asinine. Therefore it suffers the kids games tremendously. A whole heap of sports that have less funding have excellent elite junior academies so why should basketball be different?

Alternatively the Majors has it bang on developing young players through A, AA, AAA and that’s been around for yonks. I just think domestically NBA has a long long way to go.

Some kid by the name of Sachin was facing goat tier bowlers years before he could be allowed to drink, for those who don’t know the name he’s basically GOD in India. He was arguably the most special talent pre turn of the century but the pathway of nurturing that talent when over half the country is in poverty is a damning comparison.

It's being done in golf and tennis in the U.S., gymnastics as well, and has been for decades now.

[Jailblazers7]

European talent development system is designed to create professional basketball players. US development system is designed to create marketable stars that can drive TV ratings and sell shoes.

[Kobblehead]

Players get paid in college, now. Raise the age limit for the draft. Make them stay in school or go play in the G-league until age 22 to max out their skills.

[76ciology]

Players get paid in college, now. Raise the age limit for the draft. Make them stay in school or go play in the G-league until age 22 to max out their skills.

Yes, in an ideal world. Its also easier for teams to scout players this way making a better league with bad teams more likely to get good players.

But they’d say an athletes career is short and you are wasting 2-3 years of bigger professional career earnings by applying that

[Kobblehead]

Maybe still draft and pay by NBA team, but will have to either play overseas, stay in school, or play in the G-League until age 22 before they're NBA eligible.

The quality of the sport would improve DRAMATICALLY.

[Kobblehead]

Many thought this would be the year the Kings showed improvement but they're off to an 0-4 start.

Keegan Murray showing that he can score and that his jumpshot improvement wasn't a fluke. But he's still a blackhole and that's an issue that plagued him at Iowa. He has to have better passing vision.

[76ciology]

Maybe still draft and pay by NBA team, but will have to either play overseas, stay in school, or play in the G-League until age 22 before they're NBA eligible.

The quality of the sport would improve DRAMATICALLY.

But wouldnt that rob them of early years of NBA level training?

Teams also wouldnt be able to inject them of the necessary growth hormones and steroids to develop their NBA physique

[DCasey91]

Yes, but how would this work? There would have to be professional clubs in the US not affiliated to NBA teams, because it would be bizarre if a player was scouted by and developed by an NBA team from the age of 7 and then at 18 he would take part in the draft where he could get drafted to another team. And you have US college basketball as a different universe as well.

But yeah, the current system is weird IMO, because e.g., Lebron went to an actual high school and played for his high school team, that doesn't make any sense from a European point of view. In Europe even very average players play for clubs and not for their high school teams, high school (and college) basketball is just for amateur players or for players who quit professional basketball at some point.

Professional teams from around the world acquire young talent across multiple sports not just soccer, they’d still be in school of course just training with the pros.

It makes no sense when arguably the USA is the biggest sports front yet so behind on development. No in between club needed. Imagine Lebron getting 2 years when he’s 16 training with pros the results would be astonishing.

As far as I can tell there’s no legitimate junior academy which is asinine. Therefore it suffers the kids games tremendously. A whole heap of sports that have less funding have excellent elite junior academies so why should basketball be different?

Alternatively the Majors has it bang on developing young players through A, AA, AAA and that’s been around for yonks. I just think domestically NBA has a long long way to go.

Some kid by the name of Sachin was facing goat tier bowlers years before he could be allowed to drink, for those who don’t know the name he’s basically GOD in India. He was arguably the most special talent pre turn of the century but the pathway of nurturing that talent when over half the country is in poverty is a damning comparison.

It's being done in golf and tennis in the U.S., gymnastics as well, and has been for decades now.

And that’s what’s so concerning to me, the behind development statement is directly at basketball at the domestic level it’s so far behind considering how much more money/revenue it makes.

As you said gymnastic/tennis youth level development with basketball would bring far superior results imo. Where I come from we don’t have nearly as much $$ but we produce elite results (probably best in the world considering population size) because our junior level stuff is legitimately incredible.

They have all american stuff but that’s piss poor to me. Back home elite juniors would have only versed elite juniors for years on end or go straight into senior/pro divs they wouldn’t even play high school ball or the equivalent of that for their sport (it’s a **** around for them and I’d say it’s the same just taking the piss) because it’s beneath them and rightly so. You gotta play where your actual level is.

Or in the US case basically states best 12 would verse another’s states best 12 constantly not one a year thing.

[the_process]

So apparently according to Woj, the NBA wants to go to a hard cap in the next CBA. No lux tax. Wonder how many percentage points that will cost them of BRI.