Pascal is on the brink of SUPERSTARDOM...

[Appostis]

"So all together we have a reliable 24 game sample to come to the conclusion"

You guys crack me up.

How are they wrong?

[pingpongrac]

Way too early to tell but I'm pretty sure the numbers will decrease over time.

Look at players with similar FGA and they're averaging over 30 a game, add the minutes and usage and he's not that efficient.

The numbers do look nice though when you don't break it down.

Great start though, let's see if he can stay consistent. Superstardom is a little bit of a stretch.

Of the top 25 in FGA (Siakam is 15th), Siakam is 16th in PPG and 17th in TS% while he is 3rd in AST and 3rd in AST/TO ratio in addition to being 5th in REB. Of the top 25 in FGA, Siakam is also one of maybe 10 that is a good defender. He has been very efficient considering his floor game and defensive impact.

He has been playing at a superstar level to start this year in a small sample, but he was almost as good in the last 60 games last year (as well as the playoffs) as soon as he started to get healthy and shake off the rust. A ~5% increase in USG% compared to last season mostly accounts for his increased raw numbers. Outside of his free throw shooting, which is 10% below his career average and would bump his PPG up to 26 and TS% to 57 if he was around 80% at the line, he has done everything at a high level.

Let's also keep in mind that Siakam has put up these numbers against 5 good or very good teams while getting a lot of defensive attention. He is basically orchestrating our entire offence when he's on the floor like a Luka/LeBron/Trae so far.

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[PerfectJab]

Way too early to tell but I'm pretty sure the numbers will decrease over time.

Look at players with similar FGA and they're averaging over 30 a game, add the minutes and usage and he's not that efficient.

The numbers do look nice though when you don't break it down.

Great start though, let's see if he can stay consistent. Superstardom is a little bit of a stretch.

Of the top 25 in FGA (Siakam is 15th), Siakam is 16th in PPG and 17th in TS% while he is 3rd in AST and 3rd in AST/TO ratio in addition to being 5th in REB. Of the top 25 in FGA, Siakam is also one of maybe 10 that is a good defender. He has been very efficient considering his floor game and defensive impact.

He has been playing at a superstar level to start this year in a small sample, but he was almost as good in the last 60 games last year (as well as the playoffs) as soon as he started to get healthy and shake off the rust. A ~5% increase in USG% compared to last season mostly accounts for his increased raw numbers. Outside of his free throw shooting, which is 10% below his career average and would bump his PPG up to 26 and TS% to 57 if he was around 80% at the line, he has done everything at a high level.

Let's also keep in mind that Siakam has put up these numbers against 5 good or very good teams while getting a lot of defensive attention. He is basically orchestrating our entire offence when he's on the floor like a Luka/LeBron/Trae so far.

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I don't get how you can take what he was doing last year to elevate what he is doing this year. This being said it wasn't like he was incredibly efficient last year either, at least not on a superstar level. Any superstar can legitimately bring a team to the promise land as a 1st option and he does not have the ability to do this. Mark my words on this, if I am wrong then we will be a legitimate contender which I wouldn't mind but I really cannot see happening.

Appreciate your optimism but I do believe he is what he is. A borderline allstar that is in a very good situation pushed as a 1st option which is subsequently inflating his stats due to a lack of available options.

[M3tro]

People just keep trying to stick a square peg into a circular hole.

Siakam is a great #2 option on a championship level team and there's nothing wrong with that. Stop trying to convince yourselves that he's suddenly elevated to a legit #1 option based on regular season numbers.

Robin still needs a Batman.

[Marty_Budda]

People just keep trying to stick a square peg into a circular hole.

Siakam is a great #2 option on a championship level team and there's nothing wrong with that. Stop trying to convince yourselves that he's suddenly elevated to a legit #1 option based on regular season numbers.

Robin still needs a Batman.

Considering there’s like 6 or 7 true Batmans in the entire league I’m ok with that. He’s a playing like a top 15 player in the nba and I think that’s really good for a guy that was compared to Hollis-Jefferson 4 years ago

[Madhouse]

He isn't a true superstar but he is a star. Especially offensively now. I don't think his defense has been that good though.

[Parataxis]

Way too early to tell but I'm pretty sure the numbers will decrease over time.

Look at players with similar FGA and they're averaging over 30 a game,

Here are the players who are averaging between 19-20 FGA, and their PPG. Only Lillard is above 30ppg.


Cunningham - 20.0 ppg
McCollum - 21.0 ppg
Williamson - 22.0 ppg
J Green - 22.6 ppg
Edwards - 22.8 ppg
Siakam - 25.2 ppg
Lillard - 31.0 ppg

[Syd-TK3]

You guys realize siakam ppg and ts% would be higher if he didn't randomly forget how to shoot free throws?

[Madhouse]

You guys realize siakam ppg and ts% would be higher if he didn't randomly forget how to shoot free throws?

surprisingly only +1.0 on/off so far. His defense needs to pick up. Offensively very good though.

[bluerap23]

You guys realize siakam ppg and ts% would be higher if he didn't randomly forget how to shoot free throws?

If he were hitting 80% he’d only have 1ppg more than he currently does.

But I don’t care. Pascal has been on another level this year. Definitely playing like a top 10.

As OP mentioned this is against legit teams. I’m not predicting 1st all-nba but he has come out with some serious fire

[Duffman100]

Whatever Pascal is. Star, Superstar, #1 option, Robin...

It's truly incredible what he's become.

[aminiaturebuddha]

I think Pascal is clearly a #1.21672582473 option, and all you guys are incredibly wrong and should be ashamed of yourselves.

[lobosloboslobos]

Way too early to tell but I'm pretty sure the numbers will decrease over time.

Look at players with similar FGA and they're averaging over 30 a game, add the minutes and usage and he's not that efficient.

The numbers do look nice though when you don't break it down.

Great start though, let's see if he can stay consistent. Superstardom is a little bit of a stretch.

Of the top 25 in FGA (Siakam is 15th), Siakam is 16th in PPG and 17th in TS% while he is 3rd in AST and 3rd in AST/TO ratio in addition to being 5th in REB. Of the top 25 in FGA, Siakam is also one of maybe 10 that is a good defender. He has been very efficient considering his floor game and defensive impact.

He has been playing at a superstar level to start this year in a small sample, but he was almost as good in the last 60 games last year (as well as the playoffs) as soon as he started to get healthy and shake off the rust. A ~5% increase in USG% compared to last season mostly accounts for his increased raw numbers. Outside of his free throw shooting, which is 10% below his career average and would bump his PPG up to 26 and TS% to 57 if he was around 80% at the line, he has done everything at a high level.

Let's also keep in mind that Siakam has put up these numbers against 5 good or very good teams while getting a lot of defensive attention. He is basically orchestrating our entire offence when he's on the floor like a Luka/LeBron/Trae so far.

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I don't get how you can take what he was doing last year to elevate what he is doing this year. This being said it wasn't like he was incredibly efficient last year either, at least not on a superstar level. Any superstar can legitimately bring a team to the promise land as a 1st option and he does not have the ability to do this. Mark my words on this, if I am wrong then we will be a legitimate contender which I wouldn't mind but I really cannot see happening.

Appreciate your optimism but I do believe he is what he is. A borderline allstar that is in a very good situation pushed as a 1st option which is subsequently inflating his stats due to a lack of available options.

I hate the superstar narrative. It's so easy and bogus. Is James Harden a superstar? Is Joel Embiid? When did either of them 'legitimately bring a team to the promise land as a 1st option'. Is KD a superstar? Which team did he 'legitimately bring a team to the promise land as a 1st option' apart from the warriors who already had repeatedly been to the promised land without him? What about Kyrie? What about Trae? What about Luka? What about Ja? When did they do it? What about Anthony Davis? What about Jokic? What about Dame? Tell me about all the championships those guys won. I'll keep myself busy watching Pascal putting up a 30 piece in the finals while I wait.

[JN]

10 months ago on the Trades and Transactions board. Total clown show. Some people had Christian Wood as more valuable than Pascal Siakam.

Was actually looking for the thread on our board that had some of our own members wanting Siakam for Turner but could not find it.



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[lobosloboslobos]

10 months ago on the Trades and Transactions board. Total clown show. Some people had Christian Wood as more valuable than Pascal Siakam.

Was actually looking for the thread on our board that had some of our own members wanting Siakam for Turner but could not find it.



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Hell, half this board would have traded pascal for Simmons straight up.

[pingpongrac]

Way too early to tell but I'm pretty sure the numbers will decrease over time.

Look at players with similar FGA and they're averaging over 30 a game, add the minutes and usage and he's not that efficient.

The numbers do look nice though when you don't break it down.

Great start though, let's see if he can stay consistent. Superstardom is a little bit of a stretch.

Of the top 25 in FGA (Siakam is 15th), Siakam is 16th in PPG and 17th in TS% while he is 3rd in AST and 3rd in AST/TO ratio in addition to being 5th in REB. Of the top 25 in FGA, Siakam is also one of maybe 10 that is a good defender. He has been very efficient considering his floor game and defensive impact.

He has been playing at a superstar level to start this year in a small sample, but he was almost as good in the last 60 games last year (as well as the playoffs) as soon as he started to get healthy and shake off the rust. A ~5% increase in USG% compared to last season mostly accounts for his increased raw numbers. Outside of his free throw shooting, which is 10% below his career average and would bump his PPG up to 26 and TS% to 57 if he was around 80% at the line, he has done everything at a high level.

Let's also keep in mind that Siakam has put up these numbers against 5 good or very good teams while getting a lot of defensive attention. He is basically orchestrating our entire offence when he's on the floor like a Luka/LeBron/Trae so far.

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I don't get how you can take what he was doing last year to elevate what he is doing this year. This being said it wasn't like he was incredibly efficient last year either, at least not on a superstar level. Any superstar can legitimately bring a team to the promise land as a 1st option and he does not have the ability to do this. Mark my words on this, if I am wrong then we will be a legitimate contender which I wouldn't mind but I really cannot see happening.

Appreciate your optimism but I do believe he is what he is. A borderline allstar that is in a very good situation pushed as a 1st option which is subsequently inflating his stats due to a lack of available options.

Because he is doing more with more usage and performing at an even higher level than last season when he was a top 15-20 player?

And what is the gold standard for efficiency when it comes to stardom? Siakam put up 22.8/8.5/5.3 on 57 TS% with a 2.0 AST/TO ratio last season which includes his first 5-10 games where he was working off rust and getting his conditioning back up to normal levels after not playing for 6 months. Luka (28.4/9.1/8.7 on 57 TS% with a 1.9 AST/TO ratio), Tatum (26.9/8.0/4.4 on 58 TS% with a 1.5 AST/TO ratio) and Harden (22.0/7.7/10.3 on 58 TS% with a 2.3 AST/TO ratio) were pretty comparable considering the fact that they had noticeably higher usage rates. Luka and Tatum in particular are talked about as bonafide top 10 players and superstars while Harden is a former MVP and still considered a star by most people. What makes them superstars while Siakam is a "borderline all-star with inflated stats"?

[lolwut]

Still find it incredible that this guy turned out to be our franchise player 6 years down the road

[newsletter]

Only a few weeks ago, people were appalled to even think of Pascal as a POTENTIAL top 15 player. Sure quiet now

[Arnold_Palmer]

Small sample size but Siakam is averaging 25 points, 9 rebounds and maybe most impressively 8 assists a game so far. Love how well rounded he’s becoming. His playmaking is getting better and better. Remember in breakout season of 2019 he was only averaging just over 3 assists a game, last season it was up to 5.3 and there’s no reason to suggest he can’t average around 6 assists a game.

[OakleyDokely]

What's impressive about Siakam is that he puts up the numbers he does along with being a plus defender. Not many players in the league who can effect the game at both ends like he does.