Packers News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - 2023 Off Season

[VooDoo7]

Another team acquiring talent to help their star QB. Yet people don't think Rodgers should have an issue with the crap he's been given. Not saying I'd give up a 3rd for Toney, just pointing out how other teams are always proactive in helping their QB, meanwhile...

[ReasonablySober]

Toney has sucked. Watch KC turn him into a star.

[M-C-G]

Another team acquiring talent to help their star QB. Yet people don't think Rodgers should have an issue with the crap he's been given. Not saying I'd give up a 3rd for Toney, just pointing out how other teams are always proactive in helping their QB, meanwhile...

2nds for Watson to replace MVS as a field stretcher and a Swervin role
3rd for a RG to try and help the OL
4th for Doubs
4th for T of the future
7th for Toure

So it isn't we didn't try to acquire talent, you just aren't happy about the talent we did acquire to help Rodgers. Instead you suggest you wouldn't do a deal that was just made for a 3rd/6th for a guy that has two rushes and 3 targets on the season so far this year and missed 7 games last season.

So if you aren't saying you'd do that deal, but somehow saying Toney is a good get, what are you saying at this point and who are you actually advocating for, because it just seems like whining to me?

Would you have given up a first for Marquise Brown?
The AJ Brown deal but we would have had to beat their offer, so expect extra picks? What would you have reasonably given up to beat that offer?
Tell Davante Adams to go **** himself and we weren't going to trade him?

Given our cap situation what move actually makes the most sense that delivers the results you are looking for? And I don't accept 'well I never would have given Bhak that contract so we'd have plenty of money' or something along those lines. What tangible realistic move?

[CWoodfan]

Another team acquiring talent to help their star QB. Yet people don't think Rodgers should have an issue with the crap he's been given. Not saying I'd give up a 3rd for Toney, just pointing out how other teams are always proactive in helping their QB, meanwhile...

Shush your mouth, don't ya know the Packers have the best management in the business?

Trading picks for players/acquiring-signing WRs is something loser franchises like the Chiefs, Rams, and Bucs do.

And besides, ya gotta remember that the Packers have made many, many calls and have been very, very close to making a trade for a player for about 12 years now.

[VooDoo7]

Another team acquiring talent to help their star QB. Yet people don't think Rodgers should have an issue with the crap he's been given. Not saying I'd give up a 3rd for Toney, just pointing out how other teams are always proactive in helping their QB, meanwhile...

Shush your mouth, don't ya know the Packers have the best management in the business?

Trading picks for players/acquiring-signing WRs is something loser franchises like the Chiefs, Rams, and Bucs do.

And besides, ya gotta remember that the Packers have made many, many calls and have been very, very close to making a trade for a player for about 12 years now.

Exactly.

We went into the season with Lazard as our #1 guy. That's hilarious. And the rest of the WRs are very subpar for a damn team that's supposed to be contending. Everyone knew Adams was a FA at year's end. And MVS, who was meh to begin with. Yet the talent behind him was never upgraded to possibly be ready if he did leave. Instead Rodgers has always had to make due...instead of the team looking to help HIM out, like other teams do for thier franchise QB.

[Dennis Reynolds]

Toney has sucked. Watch KC turn him into a star.

He's actually been pretty good and flashed a lot of potential in limited playing time. It's his durability that's been the issue along with some character concerns.

[humanrefutation]

I still expect that we'll make a move for a WR. Whether that's signing OBJ or trading for a guy like Brandin Cooks.

[RRyder823]

Hopefully they don't trade for a WR unless its a rookie deal with multole years left. They weren't ever going to be a contending team this year. This was a rebuild on the fly year to begin with.

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[CWoodfan]

Hopefully they don't trade for a WR unless its a rookie deal with multole years left. They weren't ever going to be a contending team this year. This was a rebuild on the fly year to begin with.

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Is that what the Packer company line is now, that the team had no chance of competing in 2022?

And is that why they re-signed Rodgers to that big new extension?

Cuz when Murphy announced he was retiring (in 3 years) this summer, he sure made it seem like he expected Green Bay to be a contending team this season:

“It has been an honor and a privilege to serve as the Packers president,” wrote Murphy. “I plan on making the last three years as successful as possible, with multiple Super Bowl championships!”

https://zonecoverage.com/2022/packers/the-packers-are-too-stubborn-to-be-sellers-at-the-trade-deadline/

I guess he was talking about bring home Lombardi Trophies in 2023 and 2024.

What a joke.

[RRyder823]

Hopefully they don't trade for a WR unless its a rookie deal with multole years left. They weren't ever going to be a contending team this year. This was a rebuild on the fly year to begin with.

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Is that what the Packer company line is now, that the team had no chance of competing in 2022?

And is that why they re-signed Rodgers to that big new extension?

Cuz when Murphy announced he was retiring (in 3 years) this summer, he sure made it seem like he expected Green Bay to be a contending team this season:

“It has been an honor and a privilege to serve as the Packers president,” wrote Murphy. “I plan on making the last three years as successful as possible, with multiple Super Bowl championships!”

https://zonecoverage.com/2022/packers/the-packers-are-too-stubborn-to-be-sellers-at-the-trade-deadline/

I guess he was talking about bring home Lombardi Trophies in 2023 and 2024.

What a joke.

This was gonna a retooling year no matter what. Doesn't matter what you think or what the PR statements were (honestly it's sad you thought that was somehow a good point).

If you thought this team was a contender comming into this year or that they could've been "if they just did x" that's a you issue.

Really I have no idea why you follow this team. I can't imagine a scenerio with this team where you aren't bitching about something. Move on and enjoy life a little more

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[th87]

The Packers going out and getting a washed up AJ Green to make it look like they are doing something would be hilarious and pathetic. But it would also be the most predictable Packers thing ever. The front office probably thinks the fans will be hyped because we got ''AJ Green''. Actually, 80% of the Packer's fan base probably would act like it's still 2014 and be like Holy ****, we got AJ Green!!!

The Packer's front office preys on those people.....lol.

I said it probably over 10 years ago now, the Packers are the Herb Kohl era Bucks, it's just not as noticeable to most people because we have a hall of fame QB. I know it's a new front office than we had 10 years ago, but they still run the team with the same mentality.

That mentality is why they didn't trade Aaron Rodgers 2 years ago when he still had pretty insane value coming off an MVP season. That mentality is why they fired Mike McCarthy 5 years too late and squandered a big chunk of Rodgers' prime. The Packers as an organization have been nothing more than a clown show with a hall of fame quarterback for many many many years.

The time to make a trade before the deadline to bolster the roster was 2019 or 2020 or 2021 or 2011-2016 when the Packers were heading towards the playoffs, ya know like the Rams did last year in acquiring Von Miller and the undefeated Eagles did today in trading for Robert Quinn.

No sense in making a trade at 3-5 when there is little chance of making a Super Bowl run.

But have no fear, the Packers will do what they always do and just sit on their hands and there will be no meaningful trade.

And then the fans that the front office preys on will spout off about how Gutey tried to make a trade but none was available or about how it is all for the best because we didn't want a veteran coming in and taking snaps from Watson, Doubs, or Amari Rodgers anyway.

This is the most risk-averse front office in the NFL and that will continue to be the case until the current team President and GM have moved on and are replaced by individuals from outside the organization.

You guys want to see a Packers propaganda machine, spend 10 minutes over at Football's Future. Nauseating (and suspicious) how obsessed they are with the management status quo. Even after being proven wrong for close to 10 years now.

I've mostly come to terms with it, but it's still sometimes sad to look back at how badly we've squandered SB opportunities:

- Maybe Randy Moss in 2007 gets us past the Giants, but no, Ted Thompson decides to go to sleep early on draft night and in swoops a more go-getter type front office to grab him. I guess giving up the right to draft Jeremy Thompson was too much.

- Marshawn Lynch anyone? Would've prevented the Seattle run, and made us a formidable playoff team. But oh no, Alex Green is too high of a price.

- Then let's spend years putting soon-to-be-out-of-football guys as your worst starters (MD Jennings, Walden etc.), and watch them summarily get targeted repeatedly to knock us out of the playoffs.

- Let's stick for years with ineffective coordination and coaching, but then bring in a retread who was completely overwhelmed when SF tried the novel concept of *handing the ball off*, and then played man without safety help right before halftime the following year. And then let's replace him with a family friend who's been inept everywhere he's been.

- Let's preside over the worst ST units in NFL history with no changes for years, until it finally directly destroyed our (last) SB chance.

- And despite being on the cusp of contention, let's use our most valuable player acquisition avenue to acquire someone who won't help right away (if ever).

This is amateur hour stuff, and because there's this mystique of "well, they're paid well and on TV, so they must know what they're doing", few people want to question it. But organizational incompetence is real everywhere.

[CWoodfan]

Hopefully they don't trade for a WR unless its a rookie deal with multole years left. They weren't ever going to be a contending team this year. This was a rebuild on the fly year to begin with.

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Is that what the Packer company line is now, that the team had no chance of competing in 2022?

And is that why they re-signed Rodgers to that big new extension?

Cuz when Murphy announced he was retiring (in 3 years) this summer, he sure made it seem like he expected Green Bay to be a contending team this season:

“It has been an honor and a privilege to serve as the Packers president,” wrote Murphy. “I plan on making the last three years as successful as possible, with multiple Super Bowl championships!”

https://zonecoverage.com/2022/packers/the-packers-are-too-stubborn-to-be-sellers-at-the-trade-deadline/

I guess he was talking about bring home Lombardi Trophies in 2023 and 2024.

What a joke.

This was gonna a retooling year no matter what. Doesn't matter what you think or what the PR statements were (honestly it's sad you thought that was somehow a good point).

If you thought this team was a contender comming into this year or that they could've been "if they just did x" that's a you issue.[/b]

Really I have no idea why you follow this team. I can't imagine a scenerio with this team where you aren't bitching about something. Move on and enjoy life a little more

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If anyone thinks the Green Bay Packers signed 38 year-old Aaron Rodgers to a $200 million extension in May that made him the highest-paid player in NFL history coming into this season as part of a REBUILD, with a 2020 1st and 4th round QB already on the roster, they are either blithering idiots or Gutey's doting mother.

There is no scenario in which Packers management could possibly spin 2022 as a planned rebuilding season. Not one.

That said, if unconditional loyalty to misguided management makes you feel like a true and better Packer "fan" than those fans who want the team to get back to another Super Bowl, it is a free country and have at it.

But perhaps, while reflexively deflecting blame away from management for its failures, you might try not bitching so much about fans who do not share your enthusiasm for the direction of the soon to be 3-5 Packers and getting out and enjoying life more (or even reading a little more to enhance your ability to spell basic words).

[ReddRum]

You don't pay your QB $50 million per year and not get him a legit #1 WR. That is just insanity to me. I would have much rather used Rasul Douglas' money on a WR. Now look where we are. This GM will sit on his hands like always at the trade deadline because he has no balls and doesn't want to give up any picks, and will rob another year away from Rodgers and the fans. With this team its the same **** every single year since we won the Super Bowl. No WR's, horrible special teams, below average / overrated defense. We don't use any high draft picks on offense which is absurd. In my opinion the GM should be fired, period. And take the coaches with you. Its time for a rebuild. Give Rodgers peace and trade him to a contender (too late for a great return now), or let him retire. Start over from ground zero. That's where I'm at...

[RRyder823]

Is that what the Packer company line is now, that the team had no chance of competing in 2022?

And is that why they re-signed Rodgers to that big new extension?

Cuz when Murphy announced he was retiring (in 3 years) this summer, he sure made it seem like he expected Green Bay to be a contending team this season:

“It has been an honor and a privilege to serve as the Packers president,” wrote Murphy. “I plan on making the last three years as successful as possible, with multiple Super Bowl championships!”

https://zonecoverage.com/2022/packers/the-packers-are-too-stubborn-to-be-sellers-at-the-trade-deadline/

I guess he was talking about bring home Lombardi Trophies in 2023 and 2024.

What a joke.

This was gonna a retooling year no matter what. Doesn't matter what you think or what the PR statements were (honestly it's sad you thought that was somehow a good point).

If you thought this team was a contender comming into this year or that they could've been "if they just did x" that's a you issue.[/b]

Really I have no idea why you follow this team. I can't imagine a scenerio with this team where you aren't bitching about something. Move on and enjoy life a little more

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If anyone thinks the Green Bay Packers signed 38 year-old Aaron Rodgers to a $200 million extension in May that made him the highest-paid player in NFL history coming into this season as part of a REBUILD, with a 2020 1st and 4th round QB already on the roster, they are either blithering idiots or Gutey's doting mother.

There is no scenario in which Packers management could possibly spin 2022 as a planned rebuilding season. Not one.

That said, if unconditional loyalty to misguided management makes you feel like a true and better Packer "fan" than those fans who want the team to get back to another Super Bowl, it is a free country and have at it.

But perhaps, while reflexively deflecting blame away from management for its failures, you might try not bitching so much about fans who do not share your enthusiasm for the direction of the soon to be 3-5 Packers and getting out and enjoying life more (or even reading a little more to enhance your ability to spell basic words).

Litterally never said anything about being a true fan or unconditional loyalty or about other people complaining. Theres plenty to complain about with this team. Im soley talking about YOU. Everything about this team makes you miserable and has for a very long time. Winning or losing doesn't matter. You show up bitching. That's not a good place to be. You should probably move on.

And yes rebuild on the fly years are a thing regardless of handing out a huge contract to your QB. (note" rebuild on the fly and a full blown rebuild are two completely different things) The WR core was always going to take more then a single offseason to build up and while remaining a solid to good team can be possible with a position group in disarray your only real hope at a championship is really just catching lightning in a bottle come the postseason or they couldve. Hense rebuilding on the fly.

I'm also sure its possible they thought the D could help carry them (and they have in 3 games) But they haven't done so well enough to compensate and with the talent on D that's an indictment on Barry and he should probably be gone but once again unless this D was going to be the 01 Ravens the offense was always going to have get retooled 1st for the team to be a true contender.

If you or anyone thought "if they just did x" things would be different that's a you issue. Point to KC trading Hill and still rolling if you want. They have a All Pro TE in the roster. We don't. They have a QB playing at an elite level. We don't. Those are two pretty huge differences.

Could they or should they be better then they are? Absolutely. They should be and criticism should be dealt based on that.

And lol you know people are reaching when they move to spell check you. Ouch burn. You really got me. You didn't really think that was a clever thing to add did you?

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[M-C-G]

Toney has sucked. Watch KC turn him into a star.

He's actually been pretty good and flashed a lot of potential in limited playing time. It's his durability that's been the issue along with some character concerns.

1.5 good games in 1.5 seasons, former first round pick with TWO bad hamstrings and lots of character concerns. I'd have been ok taking a chance on him but there is a reason the giants were talking about trading him after one season. Lots of red flags with this dude.

[RRyder823]

Toney has sucked. Watch KC turn him into a star.

He's actually been pretty good and flashed a lot of potential in limited playing time. It's his durability that's been the issue along with some character concerns.

1.5 good games in 1.5 seasons, former first round pick with TWO bad hamstrings and lots of character concerns. I'd have been ok taking a chance on him but there is a reason the giants were talking about trading him after one season. Lots of red flags with this dude.

You can make an argument for taking a chance on him but any time a team cuts bait with that high of a draft pick that quick the red flags pop up very quickly

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[WeekapaugGroove]

I can tell this board is going to be a pleasant place the rest of the year

In hindsight both TT and Gute both have been guilty of being a little too optimistic on team building. A lot of 'have your cake and eat it too' vibe. TT always wanting to be good now and later, and Gute thinking he could draft his future QB while trying to win with his old HoF QB.

With the TT era I think him and Russ Ball underestimated how much the cap was going to rise during the end of his tenure. There avoidance of cap hell was probably the right approach for how the cap worked early in his time as a GM but by the end it was rising so fast a couple of FA deals wouldn't have crippled them.

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[M-C-G]

Watching other teams that have a dynamic returner is really frustrating, especially while we are here just thinking 'I hope he doesn't drop it, don't drop it, don't drop it....damn, he dropped it'

Really hard to justify Amari on the the roster at this point unless he can be useful somewhere.

[Ron Swanson]

The idea that the Love pick was some sort of inflection point that doomed our championship odds continues to be hilariously absurd. The sooner you guys embrace the rebuild, the better your mood will be. NFL is the easiest sport to do a quick turn around, and this roster still has a bunch of foundational talent pieces. Trade Rodgers (Niners?) assuming he doesn't retire (in that case, dick move Aaron), trim some fat and eat the dead cap hits, and let Love sink or swim next season. We'll either have our QB of the future or a high draft pick.

[M-C-G]

The idea that the Love pick was some sort of inflection point that doomed our championship odds continues to be hilariously absurd. The sooner you guys embrace the rebuild, the better your mood will be. NFL is the easiest sport to do a quick turn around, and this roster still has a bunch of foundational talent pieces. Trade Rodgers (Niners?) assuming he doesn't retire (in that case, dick move Aaron), trim some fat and eat the dead cap hits, and let Love sink or swim next season. We'll either have our QB of the future or a high draft pick.

‘But we traded up with a super valuable 4th round pick!’

Packers select Romeo Doubs with a 4th round pick. ‘See the Packers won’t use real assets to help Rodgers. ‘


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