2022 Season Thread

thesack12 · Post #321 » by **thesack12** » Wed Oct 26, 2022 11:29 pm

CrimsonCrew · Post #322 » by **CrimsonCrew** » Thu Oct 27, 2022 5:39 pm

Hawks are playing the Giants this week, while we get the Commanders in that division. Gotta root pretty hard for NY.

Been thinking about it, and I'm a little worried about the Cards. Not in the division, per se, but beating us. My view is that we have to go at least 4-2 in the division, and maybe sweep it at this point, if we want to ensure a trip to the playoffs after slip-ups against so many beatable teams. Curiously the Hawks actually feel like the biggest threat in the division at this point. But the Cardinals almost feel like the biggest threat in the division to beat us any given day. We are in a great situation, in that we play then at home and in Mexico, which should feel like a home game as SF travels way better than AZ. But I'm really worried about Murray.

There's been one common theme in our losses, and that's a mobile QB. Basically every time this season that we've faced a QB who can escape the pocket and either make plays with his feet or throw downfield, we've lost. Every time we've played a fairly stationary QB, we've won. Not a great precedent in today's NFL, and it's been a common theme for this team for years (in terms of struggles against mobile QBs, not necessarily losses). It really makes me reconsider the line that Shanahan dominates McVay. Although our offense has generally done pretty well against the Rams relative to other teams, it's really our defense that has often stepped up to get us wins. Got to try to fix our struggles with mobile QBs or it's going to be a really tough road back to the playoffs.

CrimsonCrew · Post #323 » by **CrimsonCrew** » Thu Oct 27, 2022 6:16 pm

Samurai wrote:Jason Verrett was activated from the PUP list. No guarantees as to how good he still is at this point, but given that Moseley is out for the season we could use as much help at CB that we can get.

I don't want to see Verrett until after the bye. Make sure he's good before he gets in there. This game should hinge more on getting pressure than stopping their receivers anyway. We've never shown an ability to cover Kupp.

arich35 · Post #324 » by **arich35** » Fri Oct 28, 2022 1:48 am

Deebo being out would be tough, as well as Greenlaw

Jikkle · Post #325 » by **Jikkle** » Fri Oct 28, 2022 9:17 am

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Samurai · Post #326 » by **Samurai** » Fri Oct 28, 2022 9:38 pm

Deebo officially ruled out for Sunday's game against the Rams. Hopefully CMC has learned some more of the playbook, including being used as a slot receiver.

Samurai · Post #327 » by **Samurai** » Sat Oct 29, 2022 12:28 am

Reports are that the Niners are listening to offers for Jeff Wilson. He becomes a FA after this season. Guessing the team would like to get some draft picks after giving up so many.

thesack12 · Post #328 » by **thesack12** » Sat Oct 29, 2022 1:01 am

Samurai wrote:Reports are that the Niners are listening to offers for Jeff Wilson. He becomes a FA after this season. Guessing the team would like to get some draft picks after giving up so many.

I'd rather get a corner or OT than a late pick. However, that's doubtful as both those positions are a lot more valuable than RB. Also, if a team is trading for a RB they are buyers, thus looking to compete now which further lessens the chances they would part with depth at a higher value/more important position.

In any event with CMC now spearheading the RB room and Mitchell looking like he'll return after next week's bye, Wilson is very tradeable. Especially since he's a free agent to be.

CMC/Mitchell/Davis-Price/Mason + Coleman on the taxi squad. That should be enough insulation for injury. Although, with this team, maybe not.

The only thing that would give me some hesitation to move Wilson is other than CMC, he's really the only back on the main roster with half decent receiving chops. So if CMC gets dinged up and has to miss some time during a game, Wilson is really the only guy where you can semi confidently plug into 3rd down/2 minute drill situations. Coleman isn't a terrible receiver, so if CMC misses any full games, he can be elevated for that role.

Still, if the 9ers can get even like a 6th for Wilson they should probably move him. I'm skeptical he will draw much interest though. Reports are out there saying Kareem Hunt is available for a 4th rounder. If I'm looking at trading for a RB, I'd rather cough up a 4th for Hunt, than giving anything for Wilson.

thesack12 · Post #329 » by **thesack12** » Sat Oct 29, 2022 1:17 am

Samurai wrote:Deebo officially ruled out for Sunday's game against the Rams. Hopefully CMC has learned some more of the playbook, including being used as a slot receiver.

Brutal.

Juice is out as well. So 9ers will be without the straw that stirs the drink in both their passing game and running game. Deebo is also a big part of the running attack as well.

Jennings is questionable as well, so the offense might be pretty thin.

Aiyuk will probably draw Ramsey most of the game. So he might struggle to get open consistently.

The backups, McCloud and Gray are also entirely opposite types of players than Deebo. Those guys are finesse and speed guys, where Deebo is all about physicality. Gray's route tree also seems pretty limited currently. Both RMC and Gray aren't the best of fits for Jimmy's game either.

Going to have to find a way to get those guys involved and produce though. Whether its on an endaround/reverse, screen passes, being used as a pseudo scatback, some kind of wildcat package, etc.

I don't know but Kyle and Jimmy need to figure out a way to navigate around not having 2 key cogs out there. This game is critical. If the 9ers can pull out a win, they will be sitting in good position to win the division.

Samurai · Post #330 » by **Samurai** » Sat Oct 29, 2022 2:50 am

thesack12 wrote:
Samurai wrote:Reports are that the Niners are listening to offers for Jeff Wilson. He becomes a FA after this season. Guessing the team would like to get some draft picks after giving up so many.

I'd rather get a corner or OT than a late pick. However, that's doubtful as both those positions are a lot more valuable than RB. Also, if a team is trading for a RB they are buyers, thus looking to compete now which further lessens the chances they would part with depth at a higher value/more important position.

In any event with CMC now spearheading the RB room and Mitchell looking like he'll return after next week's bye, Wilson is very tradeable. Especially since he's a free agent to be.

CMC/Mitchell/Davis-Price/Mason + Coleman on the taxi squad. That should be enough insulation for injury. Although, with this team, maybe not.

The only thing that would give me some hesitation to move Wilson is other than CMC, he's really the only back on the main roster with half decent receiving chops. So if CMC gets dinged up and has to miss some time during a game, Wilson is really the only guy where you can semi confidently plug into 3rd down/2 minute drill situations. Coleman isn't a terrible receiver, so if CMC misses any full games, he can be elevated for that role.

Still, if the 9ers can get even like a 6th for Wilson they should probably move him. I'm skeptical he will draw much interest though. Reports are out there saying Kareem Hunt is available for a 4th rounder. If I'm looking at trading for a RB, I'd rather cough up a 4th for Hunt, than giving anything for Wilson.

Don't forget the real value of trading Wilson - then CMC can get his #22 back! :wink:

I don't see any way we can get a CB or OT that would be able to start for us for Wilson. I think most teams would value Wilson as an insurance policy for a position that has a high injury rate, not as an every down starter for a team. If my thought is correct, no way we will get an every down starter at a premium position like CB or OT for him. My guess is a day 3 pick is the most we can hope for. Guys like James Robinson, Kenyan Drake, and Jordan Howard all went for a 6th round pick with the potential to turn into a 5th rounder. Other GM's would likely view Wilson in the same category.

wco81 · Post #331 » by **wco81** » Sat Oct 29, 2022 3:45 am

Well they cut Tevin Coleman, now they're going to move Wilson?

Do they expect Mitchell back soon?

Denver may have firesafe, talk about selling Chubb and Jeudy for pennies on the dollar.

Oh 49ers traded away those picks ...

thesack12 · Post #332 » by **thesack12** » Sat Oct 29, 2022 1:19 pm

wco81 wrote:Well they cut Tevin Coleman, now they're going to move Wilson?

Do they expect Mitchell back soon?

Denver may have firesafe, talk about selling Chubb and Jeudy for pennies on the dollar.

Oh 49ers traded away those picks ...

They cut Coleman, because they needed a roster spot to activate Verrett. They didn't need 5 RB's + Juice on the active roster, but they did need to activate Verrett or else he would have been shelved for the season. Coleman came back via the practice squad anyways.

Mitchell was doing side work at practice the other day, so yes it appears that he is on his way back. Its looking like he'll be back after the by next week. At which point the 9ers will require another roster move, and most likely that will involve another RB because again you don't need 5 + Juice on the active roster. Trading Jeff Wilson fixes the roster balance issue. If not, cutting Jordan Mason will probably be the move.

I'd rather have CMC than either Chubb or Jeudy. CMC is a proven elite/versatile player.

Jeudy has been quite underwhelming in the NFL, and the 9ers don't really need another WR (at least not trade assets for one). They have a solid top 3, and are a very run heavy offense. McCloud and Gray are good enough developmentals at the position, and provide different skillsets than the top 3. So the balance in the WR room is fine.

Chubb is solid, but he's injury prone himself. He's also definitely not the same caliber of player when he's not playing on the other side of Von Miller. Which is to be expected, and he would be playing on the other side of Bosa with a hypothetical trade to SF which would help him tremendously. However, he's also a free agent to be. After the Arik Armstead contract extension, we should be quite cautious of giving the bag to a guy to a guy that looked very good when playing alongside studs, but his play dipped dramatically when he wasn't surrounded with all the talent. On top of that, 9ers aren't flush with cap space so it doesn't really make a lot of sense to trade for a guy that requires an extension.

thesack12 · Post #333 » by **thesack12** » Sat Oct 29, 2022 1:25 pm

Samurai wrote:
thesack12 wrote:
Samurai wrote:Reports are that the Niners are listening to offers for Jeff Wilson. He becomes a FA after this season. Guessing the team would like to get some draft picks after giving up so many.

I'd rather get a corner or OT than a late pick. However, that's doubtful as both those positions are a lot more valuable than RB. Also, if a team is trading for a RB they are buyers, thus looking to compete now which further lessens the chances they would part with depth at a higher value/more important position.

In any event with CMC now spearheading the RB room and Mitchell looking like he'll return after next week's bye, Wilson is very tradeable. Especially since he's a free agent to be.

CMC/Mitchell/Davis-Price/Mason + Coleman on the taxi squad. That should be enough insulation for injury. Although, with this team, maybe not.

The only thing that would give me some hesitation to move Wilson is other than CMC, he's really the only back on the main roster with half decent receiving chops. So if CMC gets dinged up and has to miss some time during a game, Wilson is really the only guy where you can semi confidently plug into 3rd down/2 minute drill situations. Coleman isn't a terrible receiver, so if CMC misses any full games, he can be elevated for that role.

Still, if the 9ers can get even like a 6th for Wilson they should probably move him. I'm skeptical he will draw much interest though. Reports are out there saying Kareem Hunt is available for a 4th rounder. If I'm looking at trading for a RB, I'd rather cough up a 4th for Hunt, than giving anything for Wilson.

Don't forget the real value of trading Wilson - then CMC can get his #22 back!

I don't see any way we can get a CB or OT that would be able to start for us for Wilson. I think most teams would value Wilson as an insurance policy for a position that has a high injury rate, not as an every down starter for a team. If my thought is correct, no way we will get an every down starter at a premium position like CB or OT for him. My guess is a day 3 pick is the most we can hope for. Guys like James Robinson, Kenyan Drake, and Jordan Howard all went for a 6th round pick with the potential to turn into a 5th rounder. Other GM's would likely view Wilson in the same category.

Haha, well played

Yeah, I wasn't meaning they could get a starter in a trade for Wilson. Was alluding to hoping they could find a team with a surplus at either CB or OT and a hole at RB.

Even if they rarely see the field, a depth piece at either CB or OT is much more valuable than a 3rd string RB. Especially considering CMC is a 3 down player, and a very good one at that.

Also solely speaking from positional value, CB and OT far outrank RB so its incredibly unlikely to find a trade like that. Plus, a player for player trade is pretty rare in the NFL anyways.

So I was just talking out loud in terms of what I'd like to see. If the 9ers can get a pick for Wilson, they should move him. I just don't think Wilson has all that much value around the league.

Its a bummer that the Jets already traded for Robinson. If they hadn't I could see them having interest. And while I'm not wishing injury on anybody, if the Dolphins get banged up at RB before the deadline I can see McDaniel making some calls on Wilson.

Jikkle · Post #334 » by **Jikkle** » Mon Oct 31, 2022 6:35 pm

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CrimsonCrew · Post #335 » by **CrimsonCrew** » Mon Oct 31, 2022 7:21 pm

Banks has been something of a revelation. I'm willing to cut Burford some slack as a fourth-round rookie, but he's got to get more consistent. Granted the one really bad play yesterday was just a bit of a mess because of the rushed snap.

Jikkle · Post #336 » by **Jikkle** » Mon Oct 31, 2022 11:04 pm

CrimsonCrew wrote:Banks has been something of a revelation. I'm willing to cut Burford some slack as a fourth-round rookie, but he's got to get more consistent. Granted the one really bad play yesterday was just a bit of a mess because of the rushed snap.

Given how allergic Shanahan is to playing the fact he was willing to start Burford even over Brunskill does have me excited about his potential.

Banks has been a pleasant surprise though. I didn't feel he was a bust or anything but I did expect him to struggle a little more than he has so far.

wco81 · Post #337 » by **wco81** » Tue Nov 1, 2022 6:53 pm

Ramsey trying to bully Gould after a PAT.

https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/49ers/what-robbie-gould-claims-jalen-ramsey-said-during-49ers-rams-skirmish?cid=Yahoo&partner=ya4nbcs

What a fraud.

He won't be physical playing defense so he tries to bully a smaller player?

Samurai · Post #338 » by **Samurai** » Tue Nov 1, 2022 7:13 pm

Looks like Wilson has been traded to Miami for a 5th round pick.

CrimsonCrew · Post #339 » by **CrimsonCrew** » Tue Nov 1, 2022 8:09 pm

Samurai wrote:Looks like Wilson has been traded to Miami for a 5th round pick.

Good sign that Mitchell should be back after the bye, but if he's not right - and it wouldn't be shocking with our training staff - we're dangerously thin at RB.

Samurai · Post #340 » by **Samurai** » Tue Nov 1, 2022 8:33 pm

CrimsonCrew wrote:
Samurai wrote:Looks like Wilson has been traded to Miami for a 5th round pick.

Good sign that Mitchell should be back after the bye, but if he's not right - and it wouldn't be shocking with our training staff - we're dangerously thin at RB.

Even if Mitchell is back, there is no guarantee that he, or CMC, will stay healthy. You pretty much have to assume that RB's will get injured.