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Post#361 » by tsherkin » Sat Oct 29, 2022 6:52 pm

AmIWrongDude wrote:His jumper has been trash so far though and I guarantee he’ll figure it out and it will make a big difference. The team 3pt shooting though? Idk if that will get fixed and it’s just so hard to win todays game when teams are fine leaving most of the team wide open because nobody can make them pay.


Yeah, he hasn't been hitting much of anything past about 10 feet over these first few games. It's probably going to normalize, but it's certainly not helping him at the moment. The trade, though, that was brutal. No shooting support is just savage right now.
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Post#362 » by AmIWrongDude » Sat Oct 29, 2022 7:22 pm

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AmIWrongDude wrote:His jumper has been trash so far though and I guarantee he’ll figure it out and it will make a big difference. The team 3pt shooting though? Idk if that will get fixed and it’s just so hard to win todays game when teams are fine leaving most of the team wide open because nobody can make them pay.


Yeah, he hasn't been hitting much of anything past about 10 feet over these first few games. It's probably going to normalize, but it's certainly not helping him at the moment. The trade, though, that was brutal. No shooting support is just savage right now.


Yeah at this stage of his career, he needs spacing/shooting more than ever and idk know the numbers but it seems like the worst spacing and shooting around him that I can remember from his career.

It sucks because the team is the opposite of what fits well with Bron and he’s too old to take over games in the way that he used to. He’s not the superhero that can make up for any weakness anymore.

I actually don’t think he looks too bad physically. Definitely not “washed” but the build of the roster and his inability to shoot are making things difficult.
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Post#363 » by zimpy27 » Sat Oct 29, 2022 7:51 pm

Lakers get Turner, Hield, Gordon
Rockets get Nunn, $15m TPE
Pacers get Westbrook, Jones, 2 LAL FRP

Beverley, Gordon, LeBron, Davis, Turner
Schroeder, Hield, Reaves, JTA, Bryant
Lonnie, Christie, Ryan, Brown, Gabriel




If Lakers can get Gordon for Rockets by simply saving Tillman money as part of the Pacers trade then they should just do it.
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Post#364 » by Heej » Sat Oct 29, 2022 8:53 pm

Might be a wild take but is Chris Paul on the table for next year as a free agent? Might be Brons last shot at doing anything. Either that or running back to Cleveland lol
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Post#365 » by DCasey91 » Sat Oct 29, 2022 10:40 pm

Man Lakers suck offensively which is weird because the Lebron blueprint has been there for over a decade.

2 3+D wings, one switchable guard in the Ball, Rondo, Caruso mould and AD. Can fill the bench with whatever. Good big man rebounder works well too.

Westbrook is literally the worst player you can find to pair with Lebron lol.

Players that compliment Lebron could in theory be had:

Pritchard
Turner
Hield
Hayward
Gordon
Barnes
Jalen Johnson for long term

Don’t know how the money works but if the Lakers want to contend they have to move Westbrook even if you give up a first round pick.
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Post#366 » by HeartBreakKid » Sat Oct 29, 2022 10:53 pm

DCasey91 wrote:Man Lakers suck offensively which is weird because the Lebron blueprint has been there for over a decade.

2 3+D wings, one switchable guard in the Ball, Rondo, Caruso mould and AD. Can fill the bench with whatever. Good big man rebounder works well too.

Westbrook is literally the worst player you can find to pair with Lebron lol.

Players that compliment Lebron could in theory be had:

Pritchard
Turner
Hield
Hayward
Gordon
Barnes
Jalen Johnson for long term

Don’t know how the money works but if the Lakers want to contend they have to move Westbrook even if you give up a first round pick.


So basically what every team is trying to get? You make it sound like those are so easy to obtain.
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Post#367 » by LesGrossman » Sat Oct 29, 2022 10:56 pm

G35 wrote:
tsherkin wrote:
tone wone wrote:He might just no longer be a great player...but if he actually plays like a no doubt top 10 player the Lakers aren't winless right now.


You think it's impossible for a top-10 player to lose all these games with the team dead-last in 3P%?

James has had his struggles, but the Lakers are dead-last in team 3P%, 2nd-worst in offensive rebounding, 6th-worst in FTr, etc. They blow.

The 87 Bulls lost 5 in a row, then lost 6 in a row a few months later. You wanna argue that MJ wasn't top 10 that year?

Lebron's struggled to start the season because he's shooting too many threes and they aren't falling, to be sure. But he isn't the core problem with the team.


Lebron sets the tone for the team and he keeps shooting three's and missing. Teams aren't even trying their best to beat the Lakers, they are getting beat with teams C effort.....

Its not even his 3pt shot chucking, the team is so limited that this might be their best option at times. The major issue is that he simply does not contribute anything on defense. I've said the same thing literally for years now because the pretend / matador defense that seems obvious even to the most casual fan this season has been there for at least 3 years. Whenever it was pointed out some stan brought out one hand crafted stat that said that no matter what happened in front of our eyes, this no-defense is actually totally elite. :lol: All he does is sag off his assigned guy (usually the worst offensive player of the opposing team), pretending to be in help position, but almost never actually helping when some guy penetrates and he'd be the last defender. He puts himself in perfect position to grab an uncontested rebound off a miss though - LeBron is a master at assembling huge individual numbers after all. Just go through some games with that scheme in mind and you'll instantly understand what i am referring to.

If the leader refuses to work on D, but takes all the shots, even a pro role player will slow down. We've all expereienced it, noone likes to play alongside that guy.

Also, the idea that LeBron at his current state is anywhere near top 10 is just ridiculous. Black hole on the offense and literally non-existant on D. His team is 0-5 and he plays most minutes and takes most shots. Come on now.
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Post#368 » by DCasey91 » Sat Oct 29, 2022 10:59 pm

HeartBreakKid wrote:
DCasey91 wrote:Man Lakers suck offensively which is weird because the Lebron blueprint has been there for over a decade.

2 3+D wings, one switchable guard in the Ball, Rondo, Caruso mould and AD. Can fill the bench with whatever. Good big man rebounder works well too.

Westbrook is literally the worst player you can find to pair with Lebron lol.

Players that compliment Lebron could in theory be had:

Pritchard
Turner
Hield
Hayward
Gordon
Barnes
Jalen Johnson for long term

Don’t know how the money works but if the Lakers want to contend they have to move Westbrook even if you give up a first round pick.


So basically what every team is trying to get? You make it sound like those are so easy to obtain.


No they are not but with AD+Lebron you don’t need a high level wing in fact say Green + Roco will do fine. Or alternatively invest in youth that’s not on peoples radar say Little from the Blazers. It’s a market exercise. They are most likely going to be in the luxury cap so even Josh Hart may become available.

Also anyone on that list I just named highly likely to get overvalued/high high end investment or hard to trade for? No. At the right price and fair value they all could be had.

My point is building around Lebron is not the hardest thing to do but at every step they’ve put in the worst kinds of players to pair with him.

Walker too small no defense, not a 3+D pg guard that Lebron loves to play with and gets great results

Beverley doesn’t do much of anything lol

Westbrook, worst pairing you can actually think off.

It reeks of incompetence as I said before the blueprint has been there for yonks now.
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Post#369 » by PistolPeteJR » Sun Oct 30, 2022 1:23 am

LesGrossman wrote:
G35 wrote:
tsherkin wrote:
You think it's impossible for a top-10 player to lose all these games with the team dead-last in 3P%?

James has had his struggles, but the Lakers are dead-last in team 3P%, 2nd-worst in offensive rebounding, 6th-worst in FTr, etc. They blow.

The 87 Bulls lost 5 in a row, then lost 6 in a row a few months later. You wanna argue that MJ wasn't top 10 that year?

Lebron's struggled to start the season because he's shooting too many threes and they aren't falling, to be sure. But he isn't the core problem with the team.


Lebron sets the tone for the team and he keeps shooting three's and missing. Teams aren't even trying their best to beat the Lakers, they are getting beat with teams C effort.....

Its not even his 3pt shot chucking, the team is so limited that this might be their best option at times. The major issue is that he simply does not contribute anything on defense. I've said the same thing literally for years now because the pretend / matador defense that seems obvious even to the most casual fan this season has been there for at least 3 years. Whenever it was pointed out some stan brought out one hand crafted stat that said that no matter what happened in front of our eyes, this no-defense is actually totally elite. :lol: All he does is sag off his assigned guy (usually the worst offensive player of the opposing team), pretending to be in help position, but almost never actually helping when some guy penetrates and he'd be the last defender. He puts himself in perfect position to grab an uncontested rebound off a miss though - LeBron is a master at assembling huge individual numbers after all. Just go through some games with that scheme in mind and you'll instantly understand what i am referring to.

If the leader refuses to work on D, but takes all the shots, even a pro role player will slow down. We've all expereienced it, noone likes to play alongside that guy.

Also, the idea that LeBron at his current state is anywhere near top 10 is just ridiculous. Black hole on the offense and literally non-existant on D. His team is 0-5 and he plays most minutes and takes most shots. Come on now.


So the team is playing great defense, generally speaking, and literally everyone is saying their issues are on offense, and your take is “LeBron doesn’t play defense”. Okay.
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Post#370 » by Greyhound » Sun Oct 30, 2022 1:38 am

LesGrossman wrote:
G35 wrote:
tsherkin wrote:
You think it's impossible for a top-10 player to lose all these games with the team dead-last in 3P%?

James has had his struggles, but the Lakers are dead-last in team 3P%, 2nd-worst in offensive rebounding, 6th-worst in FTr, etc. They blow.

The 87 Bulls lost 5 in a row, then lost 6 in a row a few months later. You wanna argue that MJ wasn't top 10 that year?

Lebron's struggled to start the season because he's shooting too many threes and they aren't falling, to be sure. But he isn't the core problem with the team.


Lebron sets the tone for the team and he keeps shooting three's and missing. Teams aren't even trying their best to beat the Lakers, they are getting beat with teams C effort.....

Its not even his 3pt shot chucking, the team is so limited that this might be their best option at times. The major issue is that he simply does not contribute anything on defense. I've said the same thing literally for years now because the pretend / matador defense that seems obvious even to the most casual fan this season has been there for at least 3 years. Whenever it was pointed out some stan brought out one hand crafted stat that said that no matter what happened in front of our eyes, this no-defense is actually totally elite. :lol: All he does is sag off his assigned guy (usually the worst offensive player of the opposing team), pretending to be in help position, but almost never actually helping when some guy penetrates and he'd be the last defender. He puts himself in perfect position to grab an uncontested rebound off a miss though - LeBron is a master at assembling huge individual numbers after all. Just go through some games with that scheme in mind and you'll instantly understand what i am referring to.

If the leader refuses to work on D, but takes all the shots, even a pro role player will slow down. We've all expereienced it, noone likes to play alongside that guy.

Also, the idea that LeBron at his current state is anywhere near top 10 is just ridiculous. Black hole on the offense and literally non-existant on D. His team is 0-5 and he plays most minutes and takes most shots. Come on now.

The Lakers are a good defensive team. That’s literally the only thing they are good at.

Are you saying that the Lakers are by far the best defensive cast in the league (to overcome LeBron and still be a top five defense)?

Time to update the canned narrative, guy.

Offense and poor shooting are the attack points this season. LeBron is passable enough on defense (in year twenty) to not throw off the team defensive effort.

Fake news.
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Post#371 » by LesGrossman » Sun Oct 30, 2022 1:55 am

PistolPeteJR wrote:
LesGrossman wrote:
G35 wrote:
Lebron sets the tone for the team and he keeps shooting three's and missing. Teams aren't even trying their best to beat the Lakers, they are getting beat with teams C effort.....

Its not even his 3pt shot chucking, the team is so limited that this might be their best option at times. The major issue is that he simply does not contribute anything on defense. I've said the same thing literally for years now because the pretend / matador defense that seems obvious even to the most casual fan this season has been there for at least 3 years. Whenever it was pointed out some stan brought out one hand crafted stat that said that no matter what happened in front of our eyes, this no-defense is actually totally elite. :lol: All he does is sag off his assigned guy (usually the worst offensive player of the opposing team), pretending to be in help position, but almost never actually helping when some guy penetrates and he'd be the last defender. He puts himself in perfect position to grab an uncontested rebound off a miss though - LeBron is a master at assembling huge individual numbers after all. Just go through some games with that scheme in mind and you'll instantly understand what i am referring to.

If the leader refuses to work on D, but takes all the shots, even a pro role player will slow down. We've all expereienced it, noone likes to play alongside that guy.

Also, the idea that LeBron at his current state is anywhere near top 10 is just ridiculous. Black hole on the offense and literally non-existant on D. His team is 0-5 and he plays most minutes and takes most shots. Come on now.


So the team is playing great defense, generally speaking, and literally everyone is saying their issues are on offense, and your take is “LeBron doesn’t play defense”. Okay.

Its not "my take", its almost general consensus by now bar of a few die-hard stans. As predicted, the only response is bringing up stats of the teams general decency on D, and never addressing the actual criticism of LeBrons individual and help defense. As in past years, i offer to go through any game you pick, posession by posession and look at LeBrons defensive activity and discuss it. So far noone has picked the offer up, i wonder why.
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Post#372 » by LesGrossman » Sun Oct 30, 2022 2:00 am

Greyhound wrote:
LesGrossman wrote:
G35 wrote:
Lebron sets the tone for the team and he keeps shooting three's and missing. Teams aren't even trying their best to beat the Lakers, they are getting beat with teams C effort.....

Its not even his 3pt shot chucking, the team is so limited that this might be their best option at times. The major issue is that he simply does not contribute anything on defense. I've said the same thing literally for years now because the pretend / matador defense that seems obvious even to the most casual fan this season has been there for at least 3 years. Whenever it was pointed out some stan brought out one hand crafted stat that said that no matter what happened in front of our eyes, this no-defense is actually totally elite. :lol: All he does is sag off his assigned guy (usually the worst offensive player of the opposing team), pretending to be in help position, but almost never actually helping when some guy penetrates and he'd be the last defender. He puts himself in perfect position to grab an uncontested rebound off a miss though - LeBron is a master at assembling huge individual numbers after all. Just go through some games with that scheme in mind and you'll instantly understand what i am referring to.

If the leader refuses to work on D, but takes all the shots, even a pro role player will slow down. We've all expereienced it, noone likes to play alongside that guy.

Also, the idea that LeBron at his current state is anywhere near top 10 is just ridiculous. Black hole on the offense and literally non-existant on D. His team is 0-5 and he plays most minutes and takes most shots. Come on now.

The Lakers are a good defensive team. That’s literally the only thing they are good at.

Are you saying that the Lakers are by far the best defensive cast in the league (to overcome LeBron and still be a top five defense)?

Time to update the canned narrative, guy.

Offense and poor shooting are the attack points this season. LeBron is passable enough on defense (in year twenty) to not throw off the team defensive effort.

Fake news.

Bron stans accusing everyone of being biased. Calling LeBron's defensive no-show "fake news". Big surprise, mate. Your history on this board is as much Bron-heavy as mine is Bron-critical, so why not stick to the actual critiscm in my post instead of the old ad-hominem? This isnt GB after all.

Maybe start by explaining how "year twenty" has any significance when assessing his defensive contribution. How does it factor in? I thought the game is simple - you score more than your opponent, you win. But apparently theres an age coefficient i didnt know about all those years.
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Post#373 » by zimpy27 » Sun Oct 30, 2022 2:15 am

DCasey91 wrote:Man Lakers suck offensively which is weird because the Lebron blueprint has been there for over a decade.

2 3+D wings, one switchable guard in the Ball, Rondo, Caruso mould and AD. Can fill the bench with whatever. Good big man rebounder works well too.

Westbrook is literally the worst player you can find to pair with Lebron lol.

Players that compliment Lebron could in theory be had:

Pritchard
Turner
Hield
Hayward
Gordon
Barnes
Jalen Johnson for long term

Don’t know how the money works but if the Lakers want to contend they have to move Westbrook even if you give up a first round pick.



I agree. I did the breakdown and have to conclude that the Lakers best team looks something like this:

Starters: Bev, LeBron, Davis <-- Needs an SG/SF plus either another SG/SF, an SF/PF or a PF/C
Bench: Schroeder, Reaves, JTA, Bryant <-- Needs an elite shooting SG or SF
3rd tier backup: Nunn, Lonnie, Christie, Ryan, Brown, Gabriel

Westbrook, Nunn, Jones are expendable...

Best and most realistic combination is GTJ (starter), Hield (bench), Boucher (starter)

Pacers get Westbrook, Jones, LAL27FRP, LAL29FRP
Raptors get Turner, Brown Jr
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Post#374 » by LesGrossman » Sun Oct 30, 2022 2:37 am

zimpy27 wrote:
DCasey91 wrote:Man Lakers suck offensively which is weird because the Lebron blueprint has been there for over a decade.

2 3+D wings, one switchable guard in the Ball, Rondo, Caruso mould and AD. Can fill the bench with whatever. Good big man rebounder works well too.

Westbrook is literally the worst player you can find to pair with Lebron lol.

Players that compliment Lebron could in theory be had:

Pritchard
Turner
Hield
Hayward
Gordon
Barnes
Jalen Johnson for long term

Don’t know how the money works but if the Lakers want to contend they have to move Westbrook even if you give up a first round pick.



I agree. I did the breakdown and have to conclude that the Lakers best team looks something like this:

Starters: Bev, LeBron, Davis <-- Needs an SG/SF plus either another SG/SF, an SF/PF or a PF/C
Bench: Schroeder, Reaves, JTA, Bryant <-- Needs an elite shooting SG or SF
3rd tier backup: Lonnie, Christie, Ryan, Brown, Gabriel

Westbrook, Nunn, Jones are expendable...

Best and most realistic combination is GTJ (starter), Hield (bench), Boucher (starter)

Pacers get Westbrook, Jones, LAL27FRP, LAL29FRP
Raptors get Turner, Nunn

I dont think that'd be the way to get the most out of Schröder. He was elite in the last euro champs. Beverley doesnt really do all that much
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Post#375 » by AEnigma » Sun Oct 30, 2022 3:01 am

LesGrossman wrote:
PistolPeteJR wrote:
LesGrossman wrote:Its not even his 3pt shot chucking, the team is so limited that this might be their best option at times. The major issue is that he simply does not contribute anything on defense. I've said the same thing literally for years now because the pretend / matador defense that seems obvious even to the most casual fan this season has been there for at least 3 years. Whenever it was pointed out some stan brought out one hand crafted stat that said that no matter what happened in front of our eyes, this no-defense is actually totally elite. :lol: All he does is sag off his assigned guy (usually the worst offensive player of the opposing team), pretending to be in help position, but almost never actually helping when some guy penetrates and he'd be the last defender. He puts himself in perfect position to grab an uncontested rebound off a miss though - LeBron is a master at assembling huge individual numbers after all. Just go through some games with that scheme in mind and you'll instantly understand what i am referring to.

If the leader refuses to work on D, but takes all the shots, even a pro role player will slow down. We've all expereienced it, noone likes to play alongside that guy.

Also, the idea that LeBron at his current state is anywhere near top 10 is just ridiculous. Black hole on the offense and literally non-existant on D. His team is 0-5 and he plays most minutes and takes most shots. Come on now.

So the team is playing great defense, generally speaking, and literally everyone is saying their issues are on offense, and your take is “LeBron doesn’t play defense”. Okay.

Its not "my take", its almost general consensus by now bar of a few die-hard stans.

“General consensus” by people who evidently build their entire perception of players off Skip Bayless.

As predicted, the only response is bringing up stats of the teams general decency on D, and never addressing the actual criticism of LeBrons individual and help defense.

What actual criticisms. Three years pretending to play defence, wow, such a legitimate and honestly developed criticism based on a well-developed ability to assess the sport.

As in past years, i offer to go through any game you pick, posession by posession and look at LeBrons defensive activity and discuss it. So far noone has picked the offer up, i wonder why.

Because why would anyone waste time with someone so obviously willing to invent baseless criticisms.

Bron stans accusing everyone of being biased. Calling LeBron's defensive no-show "fake news". Big surprise, mate. Your history on this board is as much Bron-heavy as mine is Bron-critical, so why not stick to the actual critiscm in my post instead of the old ad-hominem? This isnt GB after all.

Again, what actual criticism. “Lebron is depressing the role-players by taking too many shots” yes if Lebron would just stop trying to score and defer more to Patrick Beverley, that would be winning basketball. :roll:
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Post#376 » by giberish » Sun Oct 30, 2022 6:39 am

DCasey91 wrote:
HeartBreakKid wrote:
DCasey91 wrote:Man Lakers suck offensively which is weird because the Lebron blueprint has been there for over a decade.

2 3+D wings, one switchable guard in the Ball, Rondo, Caruso mould and AD. Can fill the bench with whatever. Good big man rebounder works well too.

Westbrook is literally the worst player you can find to pair with Lebron lol.

Players that compliment Lebron could in theory be had:

Pritchard
Turner
Hield
Hayward
Gordon
Barnes
Jalen Johnson for long term

Don’t know how the money works but if the Lakers want to contend they have to move Westbrook even if you give up a first round pick.


So basically what every team is trying to get? You make it sound like those are so easy to obtain.


No they are not but with AD+Lebron you don’t need a high level wing in fact say Green + Roco will do fine. Or alternatively invest in youth that’s not on peoples radar say Little from the Blazers. It’s a market exercise. They are most likely going to be in the luxury cap so even Josh Hart may become available.

Also anyone on that list I just named highly likely to get overvalued/high high end investment or hard to trade for? No. At the right price and fair value they all could be had.

My point is building around Lebron is not the hardest thing to do but at every step they’ve put in the worst kinds of players to pair with him.

Walker too small no defense, not a 3+D pg guard that Lebron loves to play with and gets great results

Beverley doesn’t do much of anything lol

Westbrook, worst pairing you can actually think off.

It reeks of incompetence as I said before the blueprint has been there for yonks now.


Most of the Lakers roster are min salary players - the same as last year. Unless you're really good/lucky at finding overlooked guys you just aren't getting useful 3 and D role players at any position for that. The best you can really hope for are 3 or D role players. Last season they generally went after no defense shooters and had a passible offense with a defensive collapse. This season they went for credible defenders who are iffy (at best) shooters so they've got a solid defense and no offense.
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Post#377 » by DCasey91 » Sun Oct 30, 2022 8:27 am

3&D role players are more than fine for Lebron as I said. Defence is steady for now find any and all complimentary parts and exchange them for ones that don’t. Kiss method the thing.

Also I wouldn’t trade Davis (Unless say Ingram fantasy wants out) at all yes he’s injury prone but if you want to contend this is the path to go down imo.
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Post#378 » by Greyhound » Sun Oct 30, 2022 9:04 am

LesGrossman wrote:
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LesGrossman wrote:Its not even his 3pt shot chucking, the team is so limited that this might be their best option at times. The major issue is that he simply does not contribute anything on defense. I've said the same thing literally for years now because the pretend / matador defense that seems obvious even to the most casual fan this season has been there for at least 3 years. Whenever it was pointed out some stan brought out one hand crafted stat that said that no matter what happened in front of our eyes, this no-defense is actually totally elite. :lol: All he does is sag off his assigned guy (usually the worst offensive player of the opposing team), pretending to be in help position, but almost never actually helping when some guy penetrates and he'd be the last defender. He puts himself in perfect position to grab an uncontested rebound off a miss though - LeBron is a master at assembling huge individual numbers after all. Just go through some games with that scheme in mind and you'll instantly understand what i am referring to.

If the leader refuses to work on D, but takes all the shots, even a pro role player will slow down. We've all expereienced it, noone likes to play alongside that guy.

Also, the idea that LeBron at his current state is anywhere near top 10 is just ridiculous. Black hole on the offense and literally non-existant on D. His team is 0-5 and he plays most minutes and takes most shots. Come on now.

The Lakers are a good defensive team. That’s literally the only thing they are good at.

Are you saying that the Lakers are by far the best defensive cast in the league (to overcome LeBron and still be a top five defense)?

Time to update the canned narrative, guy.

Offense and poor shooting are the attack points this season. LeBron is passable enough on defense (in year twenty) to not throw off the team defensive effort.

Fake news.

Bron stans accusing everyone of being biased. Calling LeBron's defensive no-show "fake news". Big surprise, mate. Your history on this board is as much Bron-heavy as mine is Bron-critical, so why not stick to the actual critiscm in my post instead of the old ad-hominem? This isnt GB after all.

Maybe start by explaining how "year twenty" has any significance when assessing his defensive contribution. How does it factor in? I thought the game is simple - you score more than your opponent, you win. But apparently theres an age coefficient i didnt know about all those years.

LeBron’s defense is passable enough to not effect the team’s (top five) defensive effort. That much is clear.

This take is a lazy narrative take akin to fake news (based on the evidence we have been provided thus far this season). What else would you prefer that be called?

- Erroneous correspondence
- Dubious report
- Unfounded story
- Inaccurate account

I will do my best to utilize whichever wording combination that is deemed OK.

All that other stuff about feeling victimized (ad-hominem) by the Bron Stan’s…

I am sorry you feel that happened to your argument, guy. I hear coconut oil and sunlight can help prevent Bron Stan attacks.

Food for thought.
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Post#379 » by Jaivl » Sun Oct 30, 2022 10:50 am

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thebigbird wrote:Is this a joke?

No, seriously, where is the endless hate?

Literally everywhere you look on this board and social media.

On this board? Are you kidding me? Nowhere to be seen outside of a bunch of known LeBron haters.
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Re: The LeBron James - 22-23 NBA Season Thread -37,163 PTS -- Kareem : 38, 387 PTS 

Post#380 » by PistolPeteJR » Sun Oct 30, 2022 12:29 pm

LesGrossman wrote:
PistolPeteJR wrote:
LesGrossman wrote:Its not even his 3pt shot chucking, the team is so limited that this might be their best option at times. The major issue is that he simply does not contribute anything on defense. I've said the same thing literally for years now because the pretend / matador defense that seems obvious even to the most casual fan this season has been there for at least 3 years. Whenever it was pointed out some stan brought out one hand crafted stat that said that no matter what happened in front of our eyes, this no-defense is actually totally elite. :lol: All he does is sag off his assigned guy (usually the worst offensive player of the opposing team), pretending to be in help position, but almost never actually helping when some guy penetrates and he'd be the last defender. He puts himself in perfect position to grab an uncontested rebound off a miss though - LeBron is a master at assembling huge individual numbers after all. Just go through some games with that scheme in mind and you'll instantly understand what i am referring to.

If the leader refuses to work on D, but takes all the shots, even a pro role player will slow down. We've all expereienced it, noone likes to play alongside that guy.

Also, the idea that LeBron at his current state is anywhere near top 10 is just ridiculous. Black hole on the offense and literally non-existant on D. His team is 0-5 and he plays most minutes and takes most shots. Come on now.


So the team is playing great defense, generally speaking, and literally everyone is saying their issues are on offense, and your take is “LeBron doesn’t play defense”. Okay.

Its not "my take", its almost general consensus by now bar of a few die-hard stans. As predicted, the only response is bringing up stats of the teams general decency on D, and never addressing the actual criticism of LeBrons individual and help defense. As in past years, i offer to go through any game you pick, posession by posession and look at LeBrons defensive activity and discuss it. So far noone has picked the offer up, i wonder why.


Go ahead if you’d like, what do I care? It’ll simply be responded to by someone going through footage and presenting good defensive possessions. You make it sound like “stans” are saying he’s Bill Russell.

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