Report: Joshua Primo allegedly exposed himself to women

[UcanUwill]

Is that a waivable offense though?

Educate yourself!


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I was surprised it was waivable offense by NBA standards. I am not saying you should keep your job after doing this, though I said that when its dealt with and consequences served, I am not against seeing Primo getting another shot.

[anotherhomer]

i guess it's a good question as to how Spur came to know about it.

Was there an alleged cover-up, or something Pop/Front office heard whispers about it, the employee complained about it, they investigated it, but there was no evidence that something happened, so they had a chat with Josh, saying we heard something happen, and we don't know what's going on but you can't do this again, we not going to tolerate it

basically a he-said, she-said and they were like, we sense something's off, Josh you getting off on a technicality but so to let you know, this is a no-no...

unless they had evidence and deleted it, then that's a lawsuit

[NBA Sheady]

I have a hard time believing this dude couldn't land consensual sex, which begs the question...

Sexual assault isn't about sex. It's about power and violence.

[BlackThought]

Watch on YouTube

going to San Antonio to take a load off

[Bulliever2020]

Sheesh. This thread is cringier than the Udoka threads.

[Lunartic]

That's sexual harrasment however mild or serious you think it is. Also, as someone already said, imagine it was your daughter or mother doing her job in hotel and some guy flashed his junk to her, if she told you that would just wave it off?

Like I said, context matters and if it were my sister or whatever I'd want him punished either by myself or the law. I don't see how that is at odds with anything I've said in my post.

He's a scumbag and should have been cut from the league.

However, if some random dude jumped onto a crowded train and took out his dick, I would question how traumatic that was for most people.

The Spurs seem to have handled this the right way, they kept it in-house until they confirmed it and then dropped him despite him being a prospect, that's commendable. Sports leagues have long ignored or diminished bad actors behaviors in favor of their talents.

Ok let me try to break this down a little. Guy jumps on train, pulls out his penis, that is now in everyone's mind ever time they jump on a train and pass a certain stop etc... it's like permanently engraved to say. So yes it is a traumatic experience. Someone may find it funny, other s will not. No matter how funny or not, in most states now you'll get arrested and have to register as a sex offender and all your neighbors would think you were rape banging 8 year old kids.

I'm not arguing it's a good thing or legal thing to do.

Lets use your example, you glossed over what the actual trauma was, the fear that a man will harmlessly expose his penis to a crowded train? If you included something actually harmful I would understand your example. Have you never been exposed to someone's nude body without consent before? Does it haunt you?

I'm not saying some people won't be traumatized especially considering we don't know the circumstances of the Primo situation, I'm just curious why people immediately claim humans are automatically traumatized solely bc they saw a part if human anatomy.
It's slightly puritanical. Again, dependent on circumstances which i know absolutely nothing about nor does anyone else.

Primo is wrong and should face career and legal consequences.

[DonaldSanders]

I feel like I'm going to get flamed for this but this whole thing makes me sad. He is exhibiting deviant sexual behavior and straight up told us he experienced related trauma in his past. So you don't have to connect a lot of dots to understand he was most likely molested as a child and someone in his life modeled this behavior to him. And he's still pretty much a kid now.

So while I'm not excusing or making him the victim of his own behavior, I have to think he is/was the victim of something similarly awful or worse. And now we have multiple threads/pages of jokes about this whole thing and it bums me out.

I have compassion for him in terms of what happened to him in the past, but the thing is he knows what he is doing is wrong. Being abused does not make one blind to sexual assault being wrong. It can cause some people to repeat the behavior if they deal with it poorly, but ultimately a choice was made multiple times. If you have compassion for Primo on this level, you likely should have compassion for a lot of people who have committed sexual assault as many are prior victims. I have helped people who have been victimized recover, there is a lot of anger (and rightly so) that can get channeled in unhealthy ways, and I appreciate trying to have a nuanced approach... but at some point you have to see this as a choice. He didn't choose to get help, he chose to exert power over others.

But I do agree that all the jokes in here are highly embarrassing and frustrating. If anyone wonders why a lot of people don't come forward as victims, the way this issue is publicly being treated by many on here is one reason why people would not.

[Nuntius]

Seeing genitalia is traumatic? Is he creating even more flashers by flashing innocent people? You know people watch porn, have sexual intercourse, attend things like Mardi Gras, the beach, nude beaches, etc, who exactly is traumatized because some skinny little teenager takes out his dick?

Consent matters. When you're watching porn, having sex, attending Mardi Gras or going to a nudist beach, you have consented to seeing genitals. The women that Primo exposed himself to didn't consent to it which is what makes it a crime. It's all about consent.

[Bankai]

Kid probably thought that since he is now a Millionaire NBA Player, groupies would just always be down to touch it.

He must have heard some crazy stories about the NBA and believed them right off the bat.

[-Profanity-]

Lets use your example, you glossed over what the actual trauma was, the fear that a man will harmlessly expose his penis to a crowded train? If you included something actually harmful I would understand your example. Have you never been exposed to someone's nude body without consent before? Does it haunt you?

This has to be a troll because nobody could read this thread and legitimately have this thought. You are slipping in the word "harmlessly" about sexual assault and saying "why's it so bad"? As has been stated numerous times in this thread, it's not about simply seeing someone's body, it's about the power dynamic in the situation. Imagine you're a woman who works for the Spurs and Josh Primo pulls his dick out with you in the room and stands in the doorway, and you don't know what he's going to do to you next but you know that you can't stop it, whatever it is. Do you still want to work for the Spurs? What about another NBA team where you're in the same situation but a different player? What about the next time you're alone in a room with a man period, knowing what happened last time you were and how you felt then? You don't understand that a woman who can't defend herself would be worried about that?

I'm not saying some people won't be traumatized especially considering we don't know the circumstances of the Primo situation, I'm just curious why people immediately claim humans are automatically traumatized solely bc they saw a part if human anatomy.
It's slightly puritanical. Again, dependent on circumstances which i know absolutely nothing about nor does anyone else.

Maybe you shouldn't be posting a devil's advocate opinion if you don't know the circumstances and don't understand it.

[DoctorX]

I feel like I'm going to get flamed for this but this whole thing makes me sad. He is exhibiting deviant sexual behavior and straight up told us he experienced related trauma in his past. So you don't have to connect a lot of dots to understand he was most likely molested as a child and someone in his life modeled this behavior to him. And he's still pretty much a kid now.

So while I'm not excusing or making him the victim of his own behavior, I have to think he is/was the victim of something similarly awful or worse. And now we have multiple threads/pages of jokes about this whole thing and it bums me out.

I have compassion for him in terms of what happened to him in the past, but the thing is he knows what he is doing is wrong. Being abused does not make one blind to sexual assault being wrong. It can cause some people to repeat the behavior if they deal with it poorly, but ultimately a choice was made multiple times. If you have compassion for Primo on this level, you likely should have compassion for a lot of people who have committed sexual assault as many are prior victims. I have helped people who have been victimized recover, there is a lot of anger (and rightly so) that can get channeled in unhealthy ways, and I appreciate trying to have a nuanced approach... but at some point you have to see this as a choice. He didn't choose to get help, he chose to exert power over others.

But I do agree that all the jokes in here are highly embarrassing and frustrating. If anyone wonders why a lot of people don't come forward as victims, the way this issue is publicly being treated by many on here is one reason why people would not.

Agreed I have empathy for Primo if he did get molested as a kid, but I have no empathy for him doing what he did to his victims. Like you said he had a choice and chose to deal with his trauma in the worst way. He could have reached out and gotten help but instead inflicted his pain on innocent people and created more victims which continues the cycle of abuse. I can't give people who have mental health problems passes for doing harm to innocent people that is wrong and inexcusable.

[Memories]

Spurs are a well run franchise. Unlike, let’s say the Cleveland Browns.

Agreed.

More than the Nets right now too still keeping that antisemite Kyrie around.

[prophet_of_rage]

So whats the Trauma he has been dealing with lol

He's been facing a lot of rejection lately

His family situation wasn't good and his mother died of brain cancer. Doesn't excuse his towel behaviour. But he did have family issues growing up.

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[xdrta+]

I never understood why teams pick up rookie options weeks before the deadline. Things could happen, maybe a serious injury, or....this. I don't see the advantage to picking it up so early.

[bisme37]

I feel like I'm going to get flamed for this but this whole thing makes me sad. He is exhibiting deviant sexual behavior and straight up told us he experienced related trauma in his past. So you don't have to connect a lot of dots to understand he was most likely molested as a child and someone in his life modeled this behavior to him. And he's still pretty much a kid now.

So while I'm not excusing or making him the victim of his own behavior, I have to think he is/was the victim of something similarly awful or worse. And now we have multiple threads/pages of jokes about this whole thing and it bums me out.

I have compassion for him in terms of what happened to him in the past, but the thing is he knows what he is doing is wrong. Being abused does not make one blind to sexual assault being wrong. It can cause some people to repeat the behavior if they deal with it poorly, but ultimately a choice was made multiple times. If you have compassion for Primo on this level, you likely should have compassion for a lot of people who have committed sexual assault as many are prior victims. I have helped people who have been victimized recover, there is a lot of anger (and rightly so) that can get channeled in unhealthy ways, and I appreciate trying to have a nuanced approach... but at some point you have to see this as a choice. He didn't choose to get help, he chose to exert power over others.

But I do agree that all the jokes in here are highly embarrassing and frustrating. If anyone wonders why a lot of people don't come forward as victims, the way this issue is publicly being treated by many on here is one reason why people would not.

I don't think we're in disagreement. When I wrote my comment I knew I was stepping into a potential blowback but tried to my best to express that I don't excuse Primo's behavior. I'm just also sad for Primo because the kid seems to be a mess and I am inclined to think this behavior was modeled to him as a kid and he may have been victimized himself. Sometimes I'm too empathetic and see too much "grey area" for my own good and I know some folks aren't going to get where I'm coming from, but I hope I've explained it well enough.

[MagicFan12345]

I never understood why teams pick up rookie options weeks before the deadline. Things could happen, maybe a serious injury, or....this. I don't see the advantage to picking it up so early.

To save money

[xdrta+]

I never understood why teams pick up rookie options weeks before the deadline. Things could happen, maybe a serious injury, or....this. I don't see the advantage to picking it up so early.

To save money

How does that save money? They picked up the option several weeks ago instead of waiting until today. The deadline is tomorrow.

[BobbyPortisEyes]

I never understood why teams pick up rookie options weeks before the deadline. Things could happen, maybe a serious injury, or....this. I don't see the advantage to picking it up so early.

To save money

It doesn't save any money, the amount is the same.

[skones]

I never understood why teams pick up rookie options weeks before the deadline. Things could happen, maybe a serious injury, or....this. I don't see the advantage to picking it up so early.

To save money

This isn't a thing.

[Exp0sed]

can someone explain to me how this works?

Let's say a player commits a felony, aren't there stipulations in the contract regarding this sort of thing?
How come they need to waive and pay him, instead of just voiding his contract cuz of a stipulated violation of the contract?

is the issue that he hasn't been charged much less convicted?