GT: Nets Vs Pacers 7:30 EST

[MrDollarBills]

Most important thing is to try and get value for Kyrie. If lakers still offer either 1st unprotected I would make that deal tomorrow.

You should be worried your next owner before coming here and telling us what we should do.

Out of all teams out there, your team definitely not getting KD.

He tried to troll us by posting a clip of Miles Bridges scoring. Who tf cares...

Maybe ppl would be more receptive if he wasn't absolutely obnoxious.

[MrDollarBills]

Kyrie's response is so poor... fool can't admit wrong...

Drop this clown.

https://youtu.be/5XDHZSp00nk



To say I'm embarrassed as fan and defending him on GB yesterday is to say nothing. I'm irate right now after watching just this piece. I'm done with Kyrie, he crossed the all the red lines.

Told you. There is no defense for him at this point.

[Xtruroyaltyx77]

they will get the same offers for KD. he's back on the floor and scoring 30+ again nightly. suspend kyrie indefinitely and let KD sit out until he's dealt.

at this point they may as well skip over firing nash and just keep him to increase the odds of a high pick.

Boston would be crazy to do that deal.

If we tank this season we can probably finish with a worse record than Houston.

But I would still just fire Nash. He can't continue on with this group.

Houston will for sure finish with a bad record and be in the lottery. If Brooklyn were sonehow worse, and ended up with the higher pick Houston would swap the pick.

This sounds terrible but tanking may not be the worse thing.

Even though youd lose out on the higher pick, youd still get Houston's pick which is for sure going to be high.... vs lets say you end up with a pick around 20 or so, well instead of the consolation prize being an early lottery pick, youre just stuck with a back end first round pick.

But of course if youre tanking youve probably traded kd and ky so youd hopefully have a stockpile of picks feom other teams to work with.

[Papi_swav]

what a disaster

[Minnamaker]

Kyrie's response is so poor... fool can't admit wrong...

Drop this clown.

https://youtu.be/5XDHZSp00nk



To say I'm embarrassed as fan and defending him on GB yesterday is to say nothing. I'm irate right now after watching just this piece. I'm done with Kyrie, he crossed the all the red lines.

Couldn't watch it until the end. He just seems to be an incredibly dumb and/or uneducated person with too much range at this point.

[MGrand15]

I think that Kyrie presser combined with that disaster game should be the nail in the coffin for this era. The team is garbage. The team is unhappy. The fans are upset. All the good vibes we had in preseason are completely gone.

Tsai needs to think big picture and pull the plug here.

Kyrie needs to be waived or traded for the first offer we get. Period. I don't care if we get nothing back or if it's not the best basketball move. The off-season negotiations were about Kyrie being committed to basketball and not being a distraction. 1 week into the season he's peddling hate and antivax BS. He needs to be gone Monday morning.

KD needs to be sent home until we find a trade. In the off-season we were looking for a godfather offer that kept us competitive and restocked our picks. Forget that. One good young player + cap relief + 4 picks.

After that, get rid of anyone that doesn't want to be here.

Nash doesn't deserve to stay but we're way past the point where firing Nash moves the needle.

We talked about a culture reset in the off-season. It's time to actually do it. There's no fixing what we have now.

[MrDollarBills]

Kyrie's response is so poor... fool can't admit wrong...

Drop this clown.

https://youtu.be/5XDHZSp00nk



To say I'm embarrassed as fan and defending him on GB yesterday is to say nothing. I'm irate right now after watching just this piece. I'm done with Kyrie, he crossed the all the red lines.

Couldn't watch it until the end. He just seems to be an incredibly dumb and/or uneducated person with too much range at this point.

Read on Twitter

?t=bMe6ZgsWH65-d84XhNvVkA&s=19

He's a moron.

[Nycspirit718]

https://youtu.be/5XDHZSp00nk



To say I'm embarrassed as fan and defending him on GB yesterday is to say nothing. I'm irate right now after watching just this piece. I'm done with Kyrie, he crossed the all the red lines.

Couldn't watch it until the end. He just seems to be an incredibly dumb and/or uneducated person with too much range at this point.

Read on Twitter

?t=bMe6ZgsWH65-d84XhNvVkA&s=19

He's a moron.

He answered the question like he was supposed to, fam you come off frustrated with life lol and i wouldnt be surprised i see 50k posts under your belt so either your wife thinks youre a lame (which you are) your kids think youre a loser (which is unfortunate for them) lol and you take it out on people in here calling them names “obnoxious” “moron” etc every time someone has an opinion different from yours .even when fans from other teams come in here youre on your “suck my d—k ,fk you” lmaoo like its not that serious ,but i understand its a deeper life issue with uou.maybe because you feel powerless at home since youve dedicated and entire decade bitter about life and taking it out on people in here.in the other thread you went off on anyone who didnt go by your beliefs lmao “fk you “ “fk u this fk you that” .its ok bro if you feel powerless .that keyboard tough guy act is old ive seen it here from you for a minute.

Youre getting mad because kyrie didnt say what YOU wanted to hear lmao you want him to beg to you which doesnt surprise to me because you probably feel powerless at home (48k posts lol)
Im still trying to find where was kyrie anti semetic lol he posted a documentary that explains things from anothers point of view which is whatever,but you personally have not provided proof lmao youre just here to spew your bitterness. Before you come with the typical projecting “you think your tough “blah blah,who is this poster” let me clarify i could give a damn about what a documentary says because i have better things to do than let an athlete dictate feelings .

So basically yall are getting mad for a documentary basically exposing what a jew himself ADMITTED! Take a look at it yourself

Read on Twitter

Yea i know youre gonna get mad and insult here insult there…get mad, a hit dog hollers.you need to relax with the name calling and give the internet a break lol

[gigantes]

I think that Kyrie presser combined with that disaster game should be the nail in the coffin for this era. The team is garbage. The team is unhappy. The fans are upset. All the good vibes we had in preseason are completely gone.

Tsai needs to think big picture and pull the plug here.

Kyrie needs to be waived or traded for the first offer we get. Period. I don't care if we get nothing back or if it's not the best basketball move. The off-season negotiations were about Kyrie being committed to basketball and not being a distraction. 1 week into the season he's peddling hate and antivax BS. He needs to be gone Monday morning.

KD needs to be sent home until we find a trade. In the off-season we were looking for a godfather offer that kept us competitive and restocked our picks. Forget that. One good young player + cap relief + 4 picks.

After that, get rid of anyone that doesn't want to be here.

Nash doesn't deserve to stay but we're way past the point where firing Nash moves the needle.

We talked about a culture reset in the off-season. It's time to actually do it. There's no fixing what we have now.

Sounds about right.

Seems like Igor's offense has little chance of being implemented with KD&KI here, so why not? We need to see what we have with Duke, Sumner, Cam, Edwards and maybe even Sharpe, so I like sending Snake & Flake home.

Lakers are in an interesting position in that they desperately need a game-changing trade, and Kyrie + filler (like Mills, Sharpe, etc) for WB (buying him out) and two #1's should now be a lot more attractive to them now, maybe even in light of Kyrie's recent idiocy.

Let teams bid for Durant up until the deadline, and take the best offer. The Nets roughly reset their draft capital, and Marks can go back to doing what he's best at, which is hitting clean singles.

Easier said than done, but this isn't a championship team, anyway.

[MrDollarBills]

I think that Kyrie presser combined with that disaster game should be the nail in the coffin for this era. The team is garbage. The team is unhappy. The fans are upset. All the good vibes we had in preseason are completely gone.

Tsai needs to think big picture and pull the plug here.

Kyrie needs to be waived or traded for the first offer we get. Period. I don't care if we get nothing back or if it's not the best basketball move. The off-season negotiations were about Kyrie being committed to basketball and not being a distraction. 1 week into the season he's peddling hate and antivax BS. He needs to be gone Monday morning.

KD needs to be sent home until we find a trade. In the off-season we were looking for a godfather offer that kept us competitive and restocked our picks. Forget that. One good young player + cap relief + 4 picks.

After that, get rid of anyone that doesn't want to be here.

Nash doesn't deserve to stay but we're way past the point where firing Nash moves the needle.

We talked about a culture reset in the off-season. It's time to actually do it. There's no fixing what we have now.

Sounds about right.

Seems like Igor's offense has little chance of being implemented with KD&KI here, so why not? We need to see what we have with Duke, Sumner, Cam, Edwards and maybe even Sharpe, so I like sending Snake & Flake home.

Lakers are in an interesting position in that they desperately need a game-changing trade, and Kyrie + filler (like Mills, Sharpe, etc) for WB (buying him out) and two #1's should now be a lot more attractive to them now, maybe even in light of Kyrie's recent idiocy.

Let teams bid for Durant up until the deadline, and take the best offer. The Nets roughly reset their draft capital, and Marks can go back to doing what he's best at, which is hitting clean singles.

Easier said than done, but this isn't a championship team, anyway.

Marks needs to be fired.

[gigantes]

Marks needs to be fired.

Marks turned this franchise completely around when the only assets we had was smoke and dust.

Later he did what most other GM's would have done by signing KD&KI, and it didn't work out.

He's undoubtedly learned a lot from all this, and I want to see what he can do with a clean slate. The chances of another good GM strolling through the door aren't great, anyway.

[ArksNetsSince99]

Marks needs to be fired.

Marks turned this franchise completely around when the only assets we had was smoke and dust.

Later he did what most other GM's would have done by signing KD&KI, and it didn't work out.

He's undoubtedly learned a lot from all this, and I want to see what he can do with a clean slate. The chances of another good GM strolling through the door aren't great, anyway.

He did , he did great job completing Atkinsons nets ,signing Durant and Kai , even Harden , anything else Marks was a DISASTER

1 firing Atkinson and replacing him with his inexperienced buddy Trash , and keeping him here way longer than he should ( he should’ve learned that was a mistake hire long ago )

2 he got no communications with players , at all , that’s why Durant went with his trade request directly to Tsai not to him

3 you know what I remember from Boston series ? 4 things and 3 of them is tied directly to Marks
A-Durant turnovers and hitting wall anytime he attacked ( this not on Marks )
B- stellar play of Bruce Brown - Marks never even talked to the guy about extension
C- Goran Dragic - another great performer , he got us hanging - gone after the season
D- Blake Griffin - played great defense in very limited minutes- gone
Guys BCD was never Trash favorites , remember when we all was wondering why Bruce sit out beginning of last season , now you can see who’s dealing the cards here ,and it’s not Marks , it’s Trash and Marks it’s just a puppet figure

4 honestly he got lucky with few guys post injury, Marks luck run out long time ago , he continues to make more and more mistakes
Not trading Durant
Not trading Kyrie
And letting all guys who cared go , yes Brown/Dragic/Blake wasn’t world beaters here but they cared and played hard with very little playing time they got

5 You saying Marks needs a clean slate , I’m saying BS , I take any other guy who’s hire a competent HC and if he doesn’t perform fire him without buddy-buddy cozy connections

Marks needs to go ASAP

[ArksNetsSince99]

I know Kyrie spewing usual BS but let be clear about one thing

Tsai Marks and Trash got one purpose "LETS BLAME KYRIE FOR NETS DOWNFALL " which in reality with second largest payroll in the league even with Kyrie sitting home this team should perform better

Tsai comment about 1-5 start , not about KYRIE BS theories ,you wanna sound like a philanthropist yet you sound like a hypocrite on Kyries level

[ChuckS]

It's hard to defend Kyrie. I would be all for dumping him if he was still getting paid for not playing. But we have people in Congress who I think are more dangerous, so I pause when it comes to believing he shouldn't be able to play basketball in NYC because I disagree with his beliefs or question his wisdom. Of course in my time as a fan I've seen numerous cases of non-support of many children, some with a like number of different mothers. Then too, there have also been incidents of spousal abuse, a killing in NYC, spitting on a child, drug arrests, and innocents being hit over the head with a chair or terrorized by "posses", one having her car destroyed with her in it. I once thought it was outrageous when an obnoxious 5' fan was thrown thru a bar window. I'm rethinking that after reading what is said about players in the anonymity of the internet. So I think we have to put Irving's annoyances into perspective.

As for Kevin Durant, I admit to not being a Nets follower at the time around which some are nostalgic, and to which they prefer to return. That is to the culture of relative mediocrities, even the best of whom wouldn't make a (basketball wise) pimple on his rectum, having no hope of even challenging for a championship. It doesn't make sense to me when a few verbally fellate greats like LeBron, Giannis, Doncic, etc, while believing that KD hurts any offense. I previously posted the sites where Kerr, Pop, Klay, Stef, and Draymond, caused me to instead believe their opinions, and my own eyes.

So I believe Marks has better alternatives this year than dumping KD and KAI who along with O'Neale and Claxton, couldn't have played harder or done more during this lousy start. Of course I also think it is ridiculous after only five games to "throw away the baby with the bath water".

With the exception of Seth, in whom I have good confidence, I would rethink our supposedly great three point shooting. Even a good motion offense fails if the opponent knows that three players cannot hurt them. (I'm not overlooking Royce who, hired for defense, has exceeded my three point shooting expectations.) The reality of these first games makes what KD and KAI have accomplished even more remarkable with nothing to draw the defenses from them.

I'm sure Marks also realizes how the rebounding and just horrible defense have hurt us. He must know that a trade or other signing of an effective center would help this. But if not a head coach who is also an excellent defensive tactician, he must also at least find an exceptional assistant defensive coach. I think either alternative, if not easy, is possible.

[gigantes]

...Marks needs to go ASAP

Well, that's a load of personal interpretation and opinion, but nevermind. Let's just say that I think 90%+ of the things that went wrong directly relate to putting KD&KI in the driver's seat, which is again a situation every other team would have been faced with.

I do think it's fair to say Marks went too far in appeasing them (particular in hiring Nash as a kowtowing coach), but then again, they're both prima donnas who pretty much consider themselves equally as important as LeBron, another guy who must be appeased but is far more level-headed and practical IMO. Yet successful, contending orgs require a mentality not unlike the Dubs, Celts, Spurs or Bucks, and I don't think that can be built around two mavericks like KD&KI.

So ship these guys out, replenish the cupboard, hire a real coach, and there's no doubt in my mind the Nets go back to being a fun young team again with reasonable upside, run by a quality exec good at finding talent.

Might even turn that in to a tanking team stockpiling picks if the situation seems right. It wouldn't be any worse than this.

[TheNetsFan]

Marks needs to be fired.

Marks turned this franchise completely around when the only assets we had was smoke and dust.

Later he did what most other GM's would have done by signing KD&KI, and it didn't work out.

He's undoubtedly learned a lot from all this, and I want to see what he can do with a clean slate. The chances of another good GM strolling through the door aren't great, anyway.

This. There's not more than a handful of GMs more proven to lead the inevitable rebuild that is coming than Marks. He rebuilt once with a hell of a lot less. I'm more comfortable with him doing that again than some other first time or currently unemployed GM.

[gigantes]

Marks needs to be fired.

Marks turned this franchise completely around when the only assets we had was smoke and dust.

Later he did what most other GM's would have done by signing KD&KI, and it didn't work out.

He's undoubtedly learned a lot from all this, and I want to see what he can do with a clean slate. The chances of another good GM strolling through the door aren't great, anyway.

This. There's not more than a handful of GMs more proven to lead the inevitable rebuild that is coming than Marks. He rebuilt once with a hell of a lot less. I'm more comfortable with him doing that again than some other first time or currently unemployed GM.

That said, the one thing I have to agree with many others on is that Marks deserves all the heat right now.
After all, he's the one who ultimately decided to fly KIKD airlines, and it was his job to investigate them and their potential for problems down the road.

If I'm Tsai, I'd find a way to politely but firmly say this to Marks:
"One way or another, a quality GM would have this team sorted out by the end of the deadline. Word to the wise, Sean."

[TheNetsFan]

Marks turned this franchise completely around when the only assets we had was smoke and dust.

Later he did what most other GM's would have done by signing KD&KI, and it didn't work out.

He's undoubtedly learned a lot from all this, and I want to see what he can do with a clean slate. The chances of another good GM strolling through the door aren't great, anyway.

This. There's not more than a handful of GMs more proven to lead the inevitable rebuild that is coming than Marks. He rebuilt once with a hell of a lot less. I'm more comfortable with him doing that again than some other first time or currently unemployed GM.

That said, the one thing I have to agree with many others on is that Marks deserves all the heat right now.
After all, he's the one who ultimately decided to fly KIKD airlines, and it was his job to investigate them and their potential for problems down the road.

If I'm Tsai, I'd find a way to politely but firmly say this to Marks:
"One way or another, a quality GM would have this team sorted out by the end of the deadline. Word to the wise, Sean."

I don't think that's Tsai's thinking. Tsai has burned through presidents while pushing his lofty $500+mil in revenue within 2-3 years. He's not close to hitting that, and will be even further from that without KD & Kyrie. I'm sure Marks has a solid plan to tear down & rebuild quickly, but I doubt Tsai will let him.

[gigantes]

This. There's not more than a handful of GMs more proven to lead the inevitable rebuild that is coming than Marks. He rebuilt once with a hell of a lot less. I'm more comfortable with him doing that again than some other first time or currently unemployed GM.

That said, the one thing I have to agree with many others on is that Marks deserves all the heat right now.
After all, he's the one who ultimately decided to fly KIKD airlines, and it was his job to investigate them and their potential for problems down the road.

If I'm Tsai, I'd find a way to politely but firmly say this to Marks:
"One way or another, a quality GM would have this team sorted out by the end of the deadline. Word to the wise, Sean."

I don't think that's Tsai's thinking. Tsai has burned through presidents while pushing his lofty $500+mil in revenue within 2-3 years. He's not close to hitting that, and will be even further from that without KD & Kyrie. I'm sure Marks has a solid plan to tear down & rebuild quickly, but I doubt Tsai will let him.

Wait, you're talking about AliBaba and/or other Tsai ventures now?

I only know Tsai's history and reputation a little bit, barely more than as a WP reader.
Could you break him down a little bit, if you have time?

[Stone]

We need someone to make tonight game thread.

Nominate Paradise