2022 Season Thread

[CrimsonCrew]

Looks like Wilson has been traded to Miami for a 5th round pick.

Good sign that Mitchell should be back after the bye, but if he's not right - and it wouldn't be shocking with our training staff - we're dangerously thin at RB.

Even if Mitchell is back, there is no guarantee that he, or CMC, will stay healthy. You pretty much have to assume that RB's will get injured.

Yeah, no argument here. I think it's a stretch to argue that the 5th we're getting back is worth more than Wilson, even if it's just to finish out the year. Hopefully it won't be an issue, but they'll look pretty dumb if they don't have a starting-caliber QB at some point over the last few games.

[CrimsonCrew]

BTW, can we sit back and consider the bizarre tenure of Chase Edmonds on the Dolphins? They went after him in FA, gave him a $12.6 million deal, then 52 touches in eight games. And 16 of those were in week one.

[thesack12]

I've always kinda liked Wilson, but I'm surprised he had that kind of a market especially being on an expiring contract. Wilson has been a career backup, and doesn't have any remarkable measurables, skills, or parts of his game that stand out.

I don't think its a coincidence that Miami is the team that wanted to make a move for him. Mike McDaniel was SF's run game coordinator/OC for Wilson's entire tenure here (before this season.) So they are obviously quite familiar with each other. So obviously this is a great fit for both the Dolphins and Wilson himself.

As I mentioned earlier, the only thing that concerns me with trading Wilson is if McCaffrey has to miss some time within a game he started. Wilson was the only other RB to semi confidently plug into a 3rd down/hurry up/2 minute drill type of role. If CMC has to be inactive for a game (please, no don't let that happen) Tevin Coleman can be elevated from the PS and fill that role to a certain extent. Other than that specialized situation, it would take injuries to Both CMC and Mitchell (which is certainly possible) for a high degree of concern to set in. In which case, it would be time for the 3rd round rookie to put his big boy pants on and go out and produce. Wide-back Deebo Samuel always offers running game versatility as well.

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For all the fuss about giving up several picks for CMC, Frisco still has quite a few darts to throw in the upcoming draft. They just don't have any premium picks, which is a big deal of course.

Still, there is an argument to be made that they might still have too many picks, especially with so many in the late rounds. There is a very small chance that all those draft picks actually make the roster (look at Castro Fields this year.)

I can certainly see a consolidation type of trade during the draft. Something along the lines of 3rd + (2) 5th's + (2) 7th's for a mid to late 2nd rounder.

[Dodub]

Great trade! I’m really glad to get some value for him. Jeff Wilson is a good RB, but in reality he will be the 3rd string option relegated to spot duty. That’s something that TDP or Mason can do.

[Samurai]

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For all the fuss about giving up several picks for CMC, Frisco still has quite a few darts to throw in the upcoming draft. They just don't have any premium picks, which is a big deal of course.

Still, there is an argument to be made that they might still have too many picks, especially with so many in the late rounds. There is a very small chance that all those draft picks actually make the roster (look at Castro Fields this year.)

I can certainly see a consolidation type of trade during the draft. Something along the lines of 3rd + (2) 5th's + (2) 7th's for a mid to late 2nd rounder.

An argument could be made that we have had more success (more skill?) at picking in the 5th and 6th rounds than in the early rounds. If so, we'll have a bunch more shots to get lucky and draft another Kittle!

[wco81]

Miami traded away a RB whom they signed as a FA as part of the deal to get Bradley Chubb from the Broncos.

So they needed a RB.

[thesack12]

BTW, can we sit back and consider the bizarre tenure of Chase Edmonds on the Dolphins? They went after him in FA, gave him a $12.6 million deal, then 52 touches in eight games. And 16 of those were in week one.

Seems like Edmonds was more of a Chris Grier driven signing than a Mike McDaniel one. Didn't take Mostert long to move up to RB1, and now them trading for Wilson sure seems to indicate that McD wasn't much of a fan on Edmonds.

However the craziest thing to me is Denver willing to take back Edmonds' and his cap hit in the Chubb trade. Chase has never been more than a change of pace/receiving back. Not sure what his cap hit the remainder of this seasons is after the trade, but $6 mil next season is a high price for what he's historically provided.

Maybe the market for Chubb wasn't as robust, and they weren't offered a 1st from any other team. And Miami required Denver to take back Edmonds in order to give them a 1st. Considering what they gave up in the Russell Wilson trade, I can definitely see Denver prioritizing getting a 1st for Chubb even if meant making other contingency sacrifices.

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For all the fuss about giving up several picks for CMC, Frisco still has quite a few darts to throw in the upcoming draft. They just don't have any premium picks, which is a big deal of course.

Still, there is an argument to be made that they might still have too many picks, especially with so many in the late rounds. There is a very small chance that all those draft picks actually make the roster (look at Castro Fields this year.)

I can certainly see a consolidation type of trade during the draft. Something along the lines of 3rd + (2) 5th's + (2) 7th's for a mid to late 2nd rounder.

An argument could be made that we have had more success (more skill?) at picking in the 5th and 6th rounds than in the early rounds. If so, we'll have a bunch more shots to get lucky and draft another Kittle!

Yup, that argument could be made as well.

Kittle, Greenlaw, Hufanga, Mitchell, Jauan Jennings, DJ Jones all immediately come to mind as late round finds by the current regime.

[CrimsonCrew]

BTW, can we sit back and consider the bizarre tenure of Chase Edmonds on the Dolphins? They went after him in FA, gave him a $12.6 million deal, then 52 touches in eight games. And 16 of those were in week one.

Seems like Edmonds was more of a Chris Grier driven signing than a Mike McDaniel one. Didn't take Mostert long to move up to RB1, and now them trading for Wilson clearly indicates that McD wasn't much of a fan on Edmonds.

However the craziest thing to me is Denver willing to take back Edmonds' and his cap hit in the Chubb trade. Chase has never been more than a change of pace/receiving back. Not sure what his cap hit the remainder of this seasons is after the trade, but $6 mil next season is a high price for what he's historically provided.

Maybe the market for Chubb wasn't as robust, and they weren't offered a 1st from any other team. And Miami required Denver to take back Edmonds in order to give them a 1st. Considering what they gave up in the Russell Wilson trade, I can definitely see Denver prioritizing getting a 1st for Chubb even if meant making other contingency sacrifices.

As far as I can tell, they would owe Edmonds $6 million if he plays next year. But they can cut him for no cap hit, so the cap ramifications shouldn't be too bad. I think they only owe him a little over a million this year. Edmonds is a pretty good fit for a roster that might still be in the playoff hunt and has two older backs who aren't terribly explosive. That and the first rounder make some sense. Especially considering that Chubb is a FA after this season.

[thesack12]

BTW, can we sit back and consider the bizarre tenure of Chase Edmonds on the Dolphins? They went after him in FA, gave him a $12.6 million deal, then 52 touches in eight games. And 16 of those were in week one.

Seems like Edmonds was more of a Chris Grier driven signing than a Mike McDaniel one. Didn't take Mostert long to move up to RB1, and now them trading for Wilson clearly indicates that McD wasn't much of a fan on Edmonds.

However the craziest thing to me is Denver willing to take back Edmonds' and his cap hit in the Chubb trade. Chase has never been more than a change of pace/receiving back. Not sure what his cap hit the remainder of this seasons is after the trade, but $6 mil next season is a high price for what he's historically provided.

Maybe the market for Chubb wasn't as robust, and they weren't offered a 1st from any other team. And Miami required Denver to take back Edmonds in order to give them a 1st. Considering what they gave up in the Russell Wilson trade, I can definitely see Denver prioritizing getting a 1st for Chubb even if meant making other contingency sacrifices.

As far as I can tell, they would owe Edmonds $6 million if he plays next year. But they can cut him for no cap hit, so the cap ramifications shouldn't be too bad. I think they only owe him a little over a million this year. Edmonds is a pretty good fit for a roster that might still be in the playoff hunt and has two older backs who aren't terribly explosive. That and the first rounder make some sense. Especially considering that Chubb is a FA after this season.

Ahh, you're right I didn't realize that Edmonds' contract next year is fully un-guaranteed. That certainly makes him more attractive.

As for Denver's outlook overall, I don't see them in contention to make the playoffs. They've been a mess this season, and are currently sitting 12th in the AFC. There were also reports out saying if they lost in London last week, Hackett might (already) get fired. So there doesn't seem to be a great vibe around that team. Trading away your best pass rusher doesn't help you make a playoff push either.

[CrimsonCrew]

Seems like Edmonds was more of a Chris Grier driven signing than a Mike McDaniel one. Didn't take Mostert long to move up to RB1, and now them trading for Wilson clearly indicates that McD wasn't much of a fan on Edmonds.

However the craziest thing to me is Denver willing to take back Edmonds' and his cap hit in the Chubb trade. Chase has never been more than a change of pace/receiving back. Not sure what his cap hit the remainder of this seasons is after the trade, but $6 mil next season is a high price for what he's historically provided.

Maybe the market for Chubb wasn't as robust, and they weren't offered a 1st from any other team. And Miami required Denver to take back Edmonds in order to give them a 1st. Considering what they gave up in the Russell Wilson trade, I can definitely see Denver prioritizing getting a 1st for Chubb even if meant making other contingency sacrifices.

As far as I can tell, they would owe Edmonds $6 million if he plays next year. But they can cut him for no cap hit, so the cap ramifications shouldn't be too bad. I think they only owe him a little over a million this year. Edmonds is a pretty good fit for a roster that might still be in the playoff hunt and has two older backs who aren't terribly explosive. That and the first rounder make some sense. Especially considering that Chubb is a FA after this season.

Ahh, you're right I didn't realize that Edmonds' contract next year is fully un-guaranteed. That certainly makes him more attractive.

As for Denver's outlook overall, I don't see them in contention to make the playoffs. They've been a mess this season, and are currently sitting 12th in the AFC. There were also reports out saying if they lost in London last week, Hackett might (already) get fired. So there doesn't seem to be a great vibe around that team. Trading away your best pass rusher doesn't help you make a playoff push either.

Fair. I'm assuming the first round pick was the big target in that trade. If they weren't planning on retaining Chubb anyway, then it makes a ton of sense. But sure, short-term they're definitely worse.

[CrimsonCrew]

Didn't realize this, but apparently Hufanga has 13 missed tackles this season. That's got to improve. I think about half of those were in the Atlanta game, when he kept taking poor angles and arriving a half-step behind the runner or receiver on the sideline, would lunge at them, maybe get a hand on them, and then watch them go by.

I was willing to chalk some of that up to coming back from injury without much practice time, but he can't take angles like that going forward.

[Samurai]

Didn't realize this, but apparently Hufanga has 13 missed tackles this season. That's got to improve. I think about half of those were in the Atlanta game, when he kept taking poor angles and arriving a half-step behind the runner or receiver on the sideline, would lunge at them, maybe get a hand on them, and then watch them go by.

I was willing to chalk some of that up to coming back from injury without much practice time, but he can't take angles like that going forward.

While it is true that we want that number to decrease, part of that is driven by the fact that he was even in position to make (miss) a tackle while other safeties may not have even had that opportunity. PFF shows him as the team's biggest surprise on defense with a 76.4 grade.

[thesack12]

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Being right there with 3 of the best to ever do it and another guy who will likely enter that same status, is pretty good company.

Of course Jimmy isn't as good as those other guys, but he's definitely better than a lot of people would lead you to believe.

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I got to imagine his career is going to be over after this. Tough luck for him and the team yet again, feel for him

[CrimsonCrew]

Just heard. Unbelievable. Literally earlier today I read that he was almost ready to play and actually started to get excited at the prospect of his return. Dude has been absolutely cursed. I've heard of injury prone players, but his career has been incredible. Such a talented guy, and apparently a really good person and teammate. But his body just won't hold up. Heart goes out to him.

[Samurai]

Feel bad for Verrett. At 31, figure the odds are that we have already seen him play his last NFL game. And another devastating injury to add to the long list of ones incurred under the team's current medical/training staff.

[CrimsonCrew]

Feel bad for Verrett. At 31, figure the odds are that we have already seen him play his last NFL game. And another devastating injury to add to the long list of ones incurred under the team's current medical/training staff.

Tough to attribute this one to the Niners. He was riddled with serious soft-tissue injuries long before walking through our doors.