Why hasn't Weltham added necessary shooting

[The-Stallion70]

We are shooting 30% as a team on threes, 27th in the league out of 30 teams in this all-important stat.

Franz shooting 19%

Wendell shooting 20% on 3.4 att per game.

We can't chalk it up completely to Harris and Cole being out, we got to have more shooting around our star forwards.

This has been an ongoing problem for years but still Weltham has not added enough shooting.

[thelead]

God I hate defending Weltham but is it their faults Franz and Wendell have been off to start the season?

Also, coach needs to reign in Wendell's 3pt attempts.

[Skybox]

God I hate defending Weltham but is it their faults Franz and Wendell have been off to start the season?

Also, coach needs to reign in Wendell's 3pt attempts.

Those two are good players but neither is a proven 3pt shooter...every realistic team needs at least a couple specialists to punish other teams who double. Basically, those are two good examples of the kinds of players that will benefit most by having a sniper or two around them (or, conversely, be compromised by the lack of them). Both are good enough to hope they'll become passable 3pt threats, but there's no substitute for those 40%+ guys who, even on an off night, cannot be left alone just due to the threat.

[Def Swami]

Surrounding Wagner and Banchero with shooting will be important with more urgency probably next season. This season isn't about building a "winner" this season. I see this more as "Evaluation Season Part 2." They have a lot of young players on this team and this season is more about figuring out who's worth keeping and who's not. I think departing with assets or spending money for the sake of shooting this early in the process doesn't make sense. It will certainly need to be addressed once the Magic have figured out their core players they want to build with. Maneuvering everything else around them will be key going forward. Wagner struggling from deep to start the season has been disappointing. Carter isn't a historically great shooter from deep, but he's also underperforming compared to last season. You'd hope those averages get a little closer to the mean as the season goes on.

[thelead]

God I hate defending Weltham but is it their faults Franz and Wendell have been off to start the season?

Also, coach needs to reign in Wendell's 3pt attempts.

Those two are good players but neither is a proven 3pt shooter...every realistic team needs at least a couple specialists to punish other teams who double. Basically, those are two good examples of the kinds of players that will benefit most by having a sniper or two around them (or, conversely, be compromised by the lack of them). Both are good enough to hope they'll become passable 3pt threats, but there's no substitute for those 40%+ guys who, even on an off night, cannot be left alone just due to the threat.

Agreed but we're learning what they truly are through this process. Many thought WCJ would just continue to improve from deep. Early results show the opposite. This is all part of the process unfortunately... minus the injuries of course.

[OrlDave]

I think now that we have our "guy" we'll start building the team around him. That is, ofc, unless we full-commit to another tank year trying to get Vic or Scoot. Probably won't know which way we are going until near the AS break. I get some people might think that a 1-6 record means tanking, but it's a long season and we've been mostly on the road so far and without most of our point guards.

[MasterGMer]

I think Franz’s struggling with 3s is kinda understandable. He is being asked to do something he is now uncomfortable doing, which is to handle the point.

He can get to the paint but he needs to finish. He had several good looks last game close to the rim.

I think Franz is going to be Okay.

But Dell’s struggle worries me. Is it because of Banchero is being taken as a alpha dog and he has less touches?

We will see. This season is going to be interesting. And I can’t wait till Suggs and Harris coming back


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[Magic_Kingdom]

You can't let Welt off the hook by saying he's still "evaluating" his team. He's been using that word since he got here, Day 1, with Hennigan's players. If years of evaluating his players led him to re-sign Isaac, Bamba, Fultz and Harris, then where exactly is all this evaluation getting us?

[Bergmaniac]

Because we are not trying to win this year, it's pretty obvious. We made no attempt to sign reliable vets apart from resigning injury prone Harris and we still have way too many young players in the rotation.

[richi_v25]

Well they also drafted and kept Houstan so that's a start. I was shocked they kept the 2nd round pick and he is a shooter not just a defensive long boi.

[TheChaser]

It was stated at the beginning of free agency that we were purely evaluating this year and spending the next. This is technically year two of the current rebuild plan. I’m not standing up for Weltman, but that’s just the plan that’s been reported.

[Bakomagic]

You can't let Welt off the hook by saying he's still "evaluating" his team. He's been using that word since he got here, Day 1, with Hennigan's players. If years of evaluating his players led him to re-sign Isaac, Bamba, Fultz and Harris, then where exactly is all this evaluation getting us?

It got us Paolo, Franz, Bol and 5 first rounders in the next 3 years!

Getting “shooting” didn’t really matter until we found a true number 1 option. That’s probably why we were just taking swings on a bunch of guys (Fultz, Isaac, Bamba,Suggs) that “if they could just improve their shooting…..

Now that we have Paolo I bet we look to fill in the roster with shooters/defenders while keeping our eyes open for one more secondary/tertiary scorer playmaker.

[jonbob17]

Adding shooting is easy, you need to find your playmakers first, which it seems like we have.

Finding guys that can shoot and play defense not quite as easy

[tooler]

Adding shooting is easy

I've heard this adage before. I'd like Weltham to prove it to me.

Regarding Franz, Orlando Magic Daily had an article about him today. He's only taking 1 more 3PT attempt per game, but fewer high efficiency ones due to where he's been forced to move on the court. There's this bit of daydreaming to keep hope alive:

Read on Twitter

Don't tell pepe.

[uraverage]

Would love to trade for Kennard at the deadline if LAC implodes.

[drsd]

God I hate defending Weltham but is it their faults Franz and Wendell have been off to start the season?

Also, coach needs to reign in Wendell's 3pt attempts.

It is WeHamm's "fault" that Suggs is a Magician. And it is coach Mosley's "fault" that the Jumbol starters not named Ross are taking any 3-point attempts at all.

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[thelead]

God I hate defending Weltham but is it their faults Franz and Wendell have been off to start the season?

Also, coach needs to reign in Wendell's 3pt attempts.

It is WeHamm's "fault" that Suggs is a Magician. And it is coach Mosley's "fault" that the Jumbol starters not named Ross are taking any 3-point attempts at all.

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Would Giddey or Kuminga vastly improve our shooting (the players picked between Suggs and Franz)? I’ll wait while you look up their 3pt percentages

[drsd]

God I hate defending Weltham but is it their faults Franz and Wendell have been off to start the season?

Also, coach needs to reign in Wendell's 3pt attempts.

It is WeHamm's "fault" that Suggs is a Magician. And it is coach Mosley's "fault" that the Jumbol starters not named Ross are taking any 3-point attempts at all.

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Would Giddey or Kuminga vastly improve our shooting (the players picked between Suggs and Franz)? I’ll wait while you look up their 3pt percentages

Well, the Magic could have gone with F-Wagner at #5 and Moses Moody at #8, but this is not a revisionist statement. It is simply that the buck stops with WeHamm in evaluating the roster.

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[fendilim]

It takes two to tango.

I don’t think it is lack of action, but right now, we are in the development age.

Then you have to consider that shooters are in demand for winning teams now. You have to pay a massive premium for shooters to sign with a lottery team. And if we’re not even trying to win, what is the point of signing them?

We’ll just end up wasting money and pile up losses.

[pepe1991]

2017-18: 3rd lowest 3%

2018-19: 11th best 3% percentage ( 42-40 season)

2019-20: 6th worst 3 point percentage

2020-21: 4th worst 3 point percentage

2021-22: 3th worst 3 point percentage

2022-23: second worst 3 point percentage



Now look who sits at your front office:

Hammond:
2014-15 Bucks shot 18 threes a game. League's average was 22,4
2015-16 Bucks shot 15,4 threes a game. League's average was 24
2016-17 Bucks shot 23,7 threes a game. League's average was 27



You just have people who are in mid 60s, who grew up watching basketball before 3 point line existed. Your GM once thought MCW is missing peace to fit Giannis and John Hammond... They don't prioritize shooting because they don't understand importance of floor spacing.
Look at their drafting:
isaac- mediocre college shooter
Cole- mediocre college shooter
Suggs- mediocre college shooter
Banchero- mediocre college shooter
Bamba - didn't even shoot at college

It's just Okeke who breaks that mold. But to add insult to injury, he can't shoot in nba so ... In mean time they piled up non existing shooters like MCW; Birch, Fultz, Jerian Grant, Briscoe etc.
Once they had money to sign somebody, they used MLE on... 6'9 combo forward Al Faruq Aminu, 33% low usage 3 point shooter to go along Gordon- mediocre 3 point shooter and Isaac- mediocre 3 point shooter.

This is just one of reasons why i can't see this team making massive leap any time soon under this set of people who sit at front office and make roster decisions.

They have very clear type of players they like. Ultra long players and on paper versitale defenders. Majority of ultra long people can't shoot the ball because their body has too many moving parts to mimic same move over and over again