The Amazingly Suck Theodore Leonsis Thread

[montestewart]

Has anyone asked Ted if he even watches basketball? Or is owning a bunch of teams just on his bucket list.

I see him at games, but maybe he’s conversating and checking his texts

[Frichuela]

Time to re-float this. And thank Turd for the great basketball product he showcased tonite. Embarrassing would be an understatement. Please Turd sell the team to an owner who cares!

[AFM]

Re-float this? Nice guy. **** pin this. Ted you suck ass!!!

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

Now this f-wad is going to ruin our Nats too

[Endless Loop]

I suspect that the weak draft results come from two things-

1. Process. Specifically, who makes the final call? Davis is just the sort of safe pick you get when you've got several people in the loop deciding on who to draft. Davis might have been nobody's #1 choice, but everybody's #2 (or 3). He was low risk, but maybe low upside. But if Tommy was trying to please everybody, then a Davis pick is what you end up with. On the other hand, maybe this was 100% on Tommy...

2. Weaknesses in evaluating the Wizards staff. The only data we have to judge Tommy on wrt the draft is who he picked. It's like two data points a year. It's not enough. But if Ted is managing things right, he has a TON of data. He should ask Tommy to give final evaluations of every pick in the draft every year. He can then compare that to how players perform over time. Yeah, there's always factors the players don't control like how their team develops them, but when you've got 60 data points a year, things will average out.

We think we know how good Tommy is. If he's doing his job, Ted knows.

Another looming issue for this team is the question of how good the coaching staff is. Ted needs metrics to evaluate not only the head coach, but also all of the assistant coaches. Those people ought to have some sort of objectives against which you measure their performance. Do they have clearly delineated responsibilities? If they report to Wes, then part of the evaluation of Wes is how well he manages that staff.

This is all boring, management 101 stuff, but hey, it sure seems to me to be an area of suckitude for the Wizards.

[gambitx777]

Honestly, I just do not think Ted is a bad owner. He's not a piece of ****. He's not a scum bag. He's a decent dude who loves sports. Is he a winner.... Not really. He put the right people in place with the caps. And has had a few random winning ish seasons with the wiz but the wiz have mainly been bad and the caps had Ovi, kind of hard to not win when you have a true hall of famer and an all time great. Honestly I hope he does buy the bats and honestly. I would like to see him buy the commander's too! I can promise you Ted would never let poop pipes bust on his fans.

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I suspect that the weak draft results come from two things-

1. Process. Specifically, who makes the final call? Davis is just the sort of safe pick you get when you've got several people in the loop deciding on who to draft. Davis might have been nobody's #1 choice, but everybody's #2 (or 3). He was low risk, but maybe low upside. But if Tommy was trying to please everybody, then a Davis pick is what you end up with. On the other hand, maybe this was 100% on Tommy....

It's 100% on Tommy either way. Nor is "who at 10?" enough to work with. There are multiple aspects to managing the draft, & Tommy hasn't done a good job even once in 4 years.

When Tommy took over in the Spring of '19, this team had decided to bring back, basically, nobody from the previous year. Only Beal, Bryant, Wall, Brown, Mahinmi & McRae returned. Of that group, only Beal & Bryant lasted more than another 17 months.

We were rebuilding from the bottom up. Plus, b/c we had just fired our GM -- a guy everyone had come to detest -- we had an enormous window to use!

Above all we had the means & the runway to help ourselves enormously through the draft. Instead, we p#ssed away that opportunity. Shamefully.

2019 -- Rui was a ridiculous choice. Plus we expended resources to add a R2 pick & came away with no value. It was obvious that we needed to trade down for more prospects, & we certainly could have (given the number of trades that did happen). But, even if that had been impossible (which it sure wasn't!), we picked a guy way way way too high!

2020 -- Deni was a reasonable choice, though, obviously, he hasn't turned out to be the best prospect available at 9. Plus, given how rich the 2d half of R1 & the first handful of R2 picks have turned out to be, once again it would have been sensible to trade down. But, even if we didn't do that... Boston had offered a late R1 pick for Bertans; it was criminally foolish to turn that down. It could have (if I'd been drafting it sure would have) brought us either Desmond Bane or Xavier Tillmann. Instead, Memphis acquired that pick from the Celtics & took Bane.

Moreover, we wasted the #37 pick that year, which should have brought us either Tre Jones or, if we'd traded up two spots, Tillmann (instead Memphis traded up from 40 to nab him).

2021 -- Kispert was a good choice. But trading the #22 for Aaron Holiday & the #31 was idiotic. & then, once we had the #31, failing to trade it to OKC for the #34 & 36 was at least equally idiotic. I.e. in addition to Corey, we should have either Isaiah Jackson (22) or Ayo Dosunmu (32) plus Herb Jones (34).

2022 -- Abysmal. At least as bad as 2019. &, worse yet, indicates having learned nothing from 2019! We should have Tari Eason plus either TyTy or another high-value prospect, plus a future R2 pick, plus Keon Ellis, plus Kenneth Lofton Jr -- & another high-value undrafted prospect.

The Wizards had the means to completely rebuild through the draft in these 4 years -- exactly as Memphis & a couple of other teams have done. I.e. we should be a 50+ win team. One of the top 5 teams in the league. Instead, our FO led by Tommy Sheppard, essentially threw away this exceptional opportunity.

As we say in business shxt rises: either this pathetic sequence of failures is on Tommy Sheppard or it's on Ted Leonsis. &, of course, even if it's on Tommy, it's still on Leonsis.

2. Weaknesses in evaluating the Wizards staff. The only data we have to judge Tommy on wrt the draft is who he picked. It's like two data points a year. It's not enough. But if Ted is managing things right, he has a TON of data. ....

It's 100% on Ted too -- even if he had no data it would be. See above under "shxt rises."

[mhd]

ESPN released a list ranking NBA teams by management. We finished 28. Nice job Turd!

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[queridiculo]

How can you even argue with that?

[closg00]

How can you even argue with that?

Actually, The Kings and Magic have hope and some talent, it would have been completely fair to put the Wizards on the bottom

[payitforward]

ESPN released a list ranking NBA teams by management. We finished 28. Nice job Turd!

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Actually, no, we weren't good enough to finish at 28.
Only the Magic ranked worse than we did. Makes more sense to say that we tied w Sacto for 2d worst in the league.

I.e. tied for 1 above 30 -- namely, 29.

[Dark Faze]

The thing that frustrates me about Ted is...you almost get the sense that he *knows* everyone is right in terms of their predictions about the team. Like, he knew this would be the outcome before these signings were made and he's not going to be surprised when the season ends poorly, and may even seek to address it (probably in poor fashion).

But I don't think it's just a case of Ted being stubborn and *thinking* he's right. It's almost like he knows it's going to go bad, but does it anyway. It's just toxic and bizarre and very distressing as a fan.

[TGW]

The thing that frustrates me about Ted is...you almost get the sense that he *knows* everyone is right in terms of their predictions about the team. Like, he knew this would be the outcome before these signings were made and he's not going to be surprised when the season ends poorly, and may even seek to address it (probably in poor fashion).

But I don't think it's just a case of Ted being stubborn and *thinking* he's right. It's almost like he knows it's going to go bad, but does it anyway. It's just toxic and bizarre and very distressing as a fan.

He thinks he's the smartest man in the room and any room he walks in. So to listen to the lowly peon fans who tell him he doesn't know what he's doing REALLY bothers him. It's an ego thing with Leonsis.

[montestewart]

ESPN released a list ranking NBA teams by management. We finished 28. Nice job Turd!

Read on Twitter

Actually, no, we weren't good enough to finish at 28.
Only the Magic ranked worse than we did. Makes more sense to say that we tied w Sacto for 2d worst in the league.

I.e. tied for 1 above 30 -- namely, 29.

Surprised that the Spurs are so low but not surprised at all about the Wizards’s ranking

[queridiculo]

The thing that frustrates me about Ted is...you almost get the sense that he *knows* everyone is right in terms of their predictions about the team. Like, he knew this would be the outcome before these signings were made and he's not going to be surprised when the season ends poorly, and may even seek to address it (probably in poor fashion).

But I don't think it's just a case of Ted being stubborn and *thinking* he's right. It's almost like he knows it's going to go bad, but does it anyway. It's just toxic and bizarre and very distressing as a fan.

Leonsis doesn't care about Wizards fans.

[AFM]

Pretty apt comparison, I'd much rather be a hurricane victim than a Wizards season ticket holder though.

[Frichuela]

The thing that frustrates me about Ted is...you almost get the sense that he *knows* everyone is right in terms of their predictions about the team. Like, he knew this would be the outcome before these signings were made and he's not going to be surprised when the season ends poorly, and may even seek to address it (probably in poor fashion).

But I don't think it's just a case of Ted being stubborn and *thinking* he's right. It's almost like he knows it's going to go bad, but does it anyway. It's just toxic and bizarre and very distressing as a fan.

Leonsis doesn't care about Wizards fans.

Amen. 1000%.

[Tyrone Messby]

The Magic have been to multiple NBA Finals. And the Kings were a Western Conference power for a few years. What success do the Wizards have since the 70s? They don’t even have a 50 win season or an Wastern Conference Title appearance. So many teams have achieved success and properly tanked and are on their way to success again while the Wizards continue to take pride in extreme mediocrity. If only NBA had a relegation league…maybe that would wake Fat Ted up.

[nate33]

I'd rank both Orlando and Sacramento ahead of us.

I'm not sure I'd rank Charlotte ahead of us though. They've been just as terrible, but lucked into a #3 overall pick (they finished in 9th place that year) in order to draft LaMelo. If not for that lucky bounce of the lotto balls, where would they be?

[payitforward]

I don't know, nate.... I wouldn't say Charlotte has a great FO, but you may be forgetting how low a bar any team has to clear in order to be "ahead of us."