Packers News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - 2023 Off Season

[RRyder823]

I get it, a guy like Claypool isn't moving the needle. But we went into the season expecting Doubs, Watson, Walker, and Wyatt to...move the needle.

Come on now, get on board with the get behind management at all times sentiment, and understand this was not a season in which the Packers were expected to actually compete for a Super Bowl ... while paying a soon to be 39 year old QB $50,000,000.

This was always supposed to be a re-build or re-set year, right?

You really have a hard time with the concept of rebuilding on the fly don't you?

If you thought this team was a legit contender because they brought in some high draft picks to replace Adams and MVS and they'd be ready to contribute at a high level year 1 that's a you issue.

The Packers had 3 options going into this year after Adams refused to sign

You sign Rodgers to that deal to keep him happy and retool and hope your soon to be 39 year old QB doesn't fall off a cliff within the next few years and those picks are ready to make up for the loss year by 2. You're worse this year then the year before but after some development you hopefully have some young players ready to fill the void left by Adams n MVS and in the mean time hopefully have a team that can win some games (they've obviously fallen short on that last part)

or

You trade Rodgers for a haul and roll Love. Sink or swim see what happens

or

Sign Rodgers to that deal to keep him happy. Hope the soon to be 39 year old QB doesn't fall off a cliff.. Trade for an established #1 WR that in all likelihood hood isn't as good as Adams so you're still not as good as you were the previous 3 years you came up short but you're better then you would be if you hadn't.

2 of those 3 depend on Rodgers not regressing no matter what and the 3rd is just a slower death. Which option wouldve been the better choice is a discussion especially with the ability to use hindsight but here we are regardless.

Honestly it doesn't really matter. You would've complained no matter which route they went but if you would care to share option #4 by all means share with the class

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[Ron Swanson]

Yeah we wouldn't want to miss the chance to draft this star-studded cast:

(List of all 2-4s since 2016-2021; 6-12% chance to draft a difference maker)

Spriggs
Fackrell
Martinez

Josh Jones
M. Adams
Biegel

J. Jackson
Burks
J. Moore

E. Jenkins*
Sternberger
Keke

Dillon
Deguara

Myers
Amari Rodgers
Newman

Yeah, you're big mad we didn't spend draft picks to get a shiny new deck chair on the Titanic. We all get it, dude.

Yeah, I am annoyed that this "draft and develop" team actually sucks at drafting and developing and doesn't know that it does.

We get your management propagandist role too. Maybe you'll be right about something at some point.

Ah, there it is. Let me just whip out the ‘ol “Organization apologist” card the second we’re not top-tier contenders cuz I need a scapegoat for my sad-sack Packer fan energy.

Sorry that half this board told you guys to embrace the rebuild in the off-season instead of kicking the can even further down the road, and think it’s pointless to sink any future assets into a season that might already be circling the drain.

[PintSizedBox10]

Signing your aging back-to-back MVP QB to a monster deal is "rebuilding on the fly"?

[ANTETOKOUNBROS]

Sorry, Gute is trash. His singular focus as GM with Rodgers under the helm should always be get him weapons and protect him. He is just a late stage Jordan Era Jerry Krause. More concerned with having his fingerprints on the success of the team and got too cute. This year is the culmination of his work.

[CWoodfan]

Signing your aging back-to-back MVP QB to a monster deal is "rebuilding on the fly"?

Come on, giving Aaron 4 years and $200,000,000 to hand the ball off while providing him with the worst WR/TE combo in the NFL was always part of Gute's genius plan to "re-build."

Get with the program, and maybe you'll start to understand just how great Gute's 3d round picks have been and why we just need to be patient and wait until all his outstanding defensive picks begin begin flourishing.

That is when you know you've broken through to true Packer fan enlightenment.

[RRyder823]

Signing your aging back-to-back MVP QB to a monster deal is "rebuilding on the fly"?

Hasn't the Packers is God crowd been championing the "He can play at a high level into his 40's"?

If so then a year to develop some young players shouldn't be some unthinkable thing versus fielding a team not as quite as good as the team the year before that wasn't good enough.

Now we can talk about whether they should be better then they have been. I'd absolutely agree and part of it is Rodgers regression but there are also other factors as well.

But even without that regression if anyone thought this team was going to improve on, or stay relatively close to, the impact brought by Adams and MVS (which is what it would take to win a SB) in one offseason that's on them.

Point to the Chiefs I guess if you want but they have an All World TE. We don't. And we also don't have a QB playing at an MVP level. They do

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[thonnisbeastley]

Gute has had the best QB in the league his entire tenure and has continually refused to add any weapons for him through FA or trades. Seems like a narcissist to me. He seems to know better, etc...Seems like he's expected Rodgers to drop off hard for years now. Then he throws him a monster contract and STILL refuses to try and add any weapons around him. It's just baffling. The decision making in the FO has been absolutely terrible. The coaching staff has been absolutely terrible as well.

[humanrefutation]

In general, I support the draft-and-develop route over spending money on FAs. Their cap space is limited and it's cheaper to try to hit on your draft picks. But the draft-and-develop route only works if you, you know, draft the right guys and develop them well. They've failed in that far too often, IMO.

But even putting that aside for a moment, I've always felt that this team was far too conservative on the trade market. It seems to me that there are proven commodities on the trade market every season that we bypass because of our prized draft picks. That's defensible when you're rebuilding, but it's borderline negligent when you have a veteran-laden team led by an aging QB coming off b2b MVPs.

[Daver]

Great posts everyone couldn't agree with you more.The packer FO is absolutely getting roasted tonight not only on the radio but on NFL network n ESPN.They are saying borderline fireable offense the way gute has ignored a 2x b2b mvp

[th87]

I get it, a guy like Claypool isn't moving the needle. But we went into the season expecting Doubs, Watson, Walker, and Wyatt to...move the needle.

Come on now, get on board with the get behind management at all times sentiment, and understand this was not a season in which the Packers were expected to actually compete for a Super Bowl ... while paying a soon to be 39 year old QB $50,000,000.

This was always supposed to be a re-build or re-set year, right?

You really have a hard time with the concept of rebuilding on the fly don't you?

If you thought this team was a legit contender because they brought in some high draft picks to replace Adams and MVS and they'd be ready to contribute at a high level year 1 that's a you issue.

The Packers had 3 options going into this year after Adams refused to sign

You sign Rodgers to that deal to keep him happy and retool and hope your soon to be 39 year old QB doesn't fall off a cliff within the next few years and those picks are ready to make up for the loss year by 2. You're worse this year then the year before but after some development you hopefully have some young players ready to fill the void left by Adams n MVS and in the mean time hopefully have a team that can win some games (they've obviously fallen short on that last part)

or

You trade Rodgers for a haul and roll Love. Sink or swim see what happens

or

Sign Rodgers to that deal to keep him happy. Hope the soon to be 39 year old QB doesn't fall off a cliff.. Trade for an established #1 WR that in all likelihood hood isn't as good as Adams so you're still not as good as you were the previous 3 years you came up short but you're better then you would be if you hadn't.

2 of those 3 depend on Rodgers not regressing no matter what and the 3rd is just a slower death. Which option wouldve been the better choice is a discussion especially with the ability to use hindsight but here we are regardless.

Honestly it doesn't really matter. You would've complained no matter which route they went but if you would care to share option #4 by all means share with the class

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More perpetual management spin. It was fine and all according to plan when TT couldn't draft and papered over weaknesses with UDFAs, and now it's fine when Gute can't execute a coherent plan due to being wishy washy and not committing to his actions. "Rebuilding on the fly" it's called now.

"Rebuilding" is apparently:
- giving Rodgers essentially a one year deal that will destroy the future cap (as discussed here)
- trying and failing to give Adams a monster long term contract
- being somewhat active in the WR market to go after a veteran (as they did with Watkins, JJSS, Landry, etc.)

These are not the actions of a team looking to rebuild (on the fly or otherwise). They are the actions of a team trying to win (or maybe giving the appearance thereof), but not being able to actually execute in doing so.

Their plan couldn't be more obvious. They thought they could convert to a power running team, fueled by a monster defense, which was supposed to require less investment at WR - they thought Lazard, Watkins, Cobb, rookies, and a trade would be enough.

Turns out they were very wrong. The WR corps, OL, running game, and defense were actually worse than they thought. So they tried to weakly and aimlessly participate in the trade market and fail there too, because they couldn't fully commit to that strategy by giving up the rights to draft the next Oren Burks.

So now it's been rebranded to "rebuilding on the fly".

[VooDoo7]

The pro-Gute/Rodgers hater crowd can't even defend this garbage anymore. Like I and others have been saying, this franchise has NEVER made it a priority to help their HoF QB. It's despicable, and I'm glad more people are finally opening their eyes.

[th87]

Signing your aging back-to-back MVP QB to a monster deal is "rebuilding on the fly"?

Hasn't the Packers is God crowd been championing the "He can play at a high level into his 40's"?

If so then a year to develop some young players shouldn't be some unthinkable thing versus fielding a team not as quite as good as the team the year before that wasn't good enough.

Now we can talk about whether they should be better then they have been. I'd absolutely agree and part of it is Rodgers regression but there are also other factors as well.

But even without that regression if anyone thought this team was going to improve on, or stay relatively close to, the impact brought by Adams and MVS (which is what it would take to win a SB) in one offseason that's on them.

Point to the Chiefs I guess if you want but they have an All World TE. We don't. And we also don't have a QB playing at an MVP level. They do

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Guess what was available today that our division rival got?

[th87]

Yeah, you're big mad we didn't spend draft picks to get a shiny new deck chair on the Titanic. We all get it, dude.

Yeah, I am annoyed that this "draft and develop" team actually sucks at drafting and developing and doesn't know that it does.

We get your management propagandist role too. Maybe you'll be right about something at some point.

Ah, there it is. Let me just whip out the ‘ol “Organization apologist” card the second we’re not top-tier contenders cuz I need a scapegoat for my sad-sack Packer fan energy.

Sorry that half this board told you guys to embrace the rebuild in the off-season instead of kicking the can even further down the road, and think it’s pointless to sink any future assets into a season that might already be circling the drain.

No man. You deal with the management apologist accusation because you have a decade-long track record of defending the management's moves no matter what (on the Bucks side too), while attempting to talk down to your opposition while doing so. Despite being wrong constantly, you further double down on this tactic as though we don't remember.

Gute didn't properly execute either side's desires. He's Herb Kohl.

[RRyder823]

Signing your aging back-to-back MVP QB to a monster deal is "rebuilding on the fly"?

Hasn't the Packers is God crowd been championing the "He can play at a high level into his 40's"?

If so then a year to develop some young players shouldn't be some unthinkable thing versus fielding a team not as quite as good as the team the year before that wasn't good enough.

Now we can talk about whether they should be better then they have been. I'd absolutely agree and part of it is Rodgers regression but there are also other factors as well.

But even without that regression if anyone thought this team was going to improve on, or stay relatively close to, the impact brought by Adams and MVS (which is what it would take to win a SB) in one offseason that's on them.

Point to the Chiefs I guess if you want but they have an All World TE. We don't. And we also don't have a QB playing at an MVP level. They do

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Guess what was available today that our division rival got?

Lol niether a All World TE or MVP playing QB which is what you have bolded lol

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[ReasonablySober]

Yeah, I am annoyed that this "draft and develop" team actually sucks at drafting and developing and doesn't know that it does.

We get your management propagandist role too. Maybe you'll be right about something at some point.

Ah, there it is. Let me just whip out the ‘ol “Organization apologist” card the second we’re not top-tier contenders cuz I need a scapegoat for my sad-sack Packer fan energy.

Sorry that half this board told you guys to embrace the rebuild in the off-season instead of kicking the can even further down the road, and think it’s pointless to sink any future assets into a season that might already be circling the drain.

No man. You deal with the management apologist accusation because you have a decade-long track record of defending the management's moves no matter what (on the Bucks side too), while attempting to talk down to your opposition while doing so. Despite being wrong constantly, you further double down on this tactic as though we don't remember.

Gute didn't properly execute either side's desires. He's Herb Kohl.

The guy you want fired is the guy you wished made moves today?

[th87]

Ah, there it is. Let me just whip out the ‘ol “Organization apologist” card the second we’re not top-tier contenders cuz I need a scapegoat for my sad-sack Packer fan energy.

Sorry that half this board told you guys to embrace the rebuild in the off-season instead of kicking the can even further down the road, and think it’s pointless to sink any future assets into a season that might already be circling the drain.

No man. You deal with the management apologist accusation because you have a decade-long track record of defending the management's moves no matter what (on the Bucks side too), while attempting to talk down to your opposition while doing so. Despite being wrong constantly, you further double down on this tactic as though we don't remember.

Gute didn't properly execute either side's desires. He's Herb Kohl.

The guy you want fired is the guy you wished made moves today?

I wouldn't want him fired if he made moves to counter the poor mid-round drafting*.

*which is random and largely luck-depdendent.

[CWoodfan]

Signing your aging back-to-back MVP QB to a monster deal is "rebuilding on the fly"?

Hasn't the Packers is God crowd been championing the "He can play at a high level into his 40's"?

If so then a year to develop some young players shouldn't be some unthinkable thing versus fielding a team not as quite as good as the team the year before that wasn't good enough.

Now we can talk about whether they should be better then they have been. I'd absolutely agree and part of it is Rodgers regression but there are also other factors as well.

But even without that regression if anyone thought this team was going to improve on, or stay relatively close to, the impact brought by Adams and MVS (which is what it would take to win a SB) in one offseason that's on them.

Point to the Chiefs I guess if you want but they have an All World TE. We don't. And we also don't have a QB playing at an MVP level. They do

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Wait, so you are trying to excuse the Packers failure to acquire viable WRs after trading away Davante Adams by pointing out the Chiefs have an "All World TE" in Kelce?

Well, despite KC having Kelce rather than a mediocre TE coming off an ACL like Tonyan, KC still went out after trading Tyreek Hill and signed two viable veteran WRs in MVS and Juju rather than dumpster diving with Sammy Watkins.

They also, like Gute, drafted a WR in round 2 Skyy Moore. And last week they shipped a 3rd and a 6th to the Giants for Toney.

Hence, the evidence establishes that even though KC had a much better TE than GB they still did more to get Mahomes new WRs than GB did for Rodgers.

If Gute was actively sabotaging Rodgers he would be hard pressed to do any better than saddling him with a still recovering Tonyan and the worthless/raw corps WRs he has put together.

[Mags FTW]

It was asinine for Gute to go into this season with this receiver group. Completely asinine.

[th87]

Signing your aging back-to-back MVP QB to a monster deal is "rebuilding on the fly"?

Hasn't the Packers is God crowd been championing the "He can play at a high level into his 40's"?

If so then a year to develop some young players shouldn't be some unthinkable thing versus fielding a team not as quite as good as the team the year before that wasn't good enough.

Now we can talk about whether they should be better then they have been. I'd absolutely agree and part of it is Rodgers regression but there are also other factors as well.

But even without that regression if anyone thought this team was going to improve on, or stay relatively close to, the impact brought by Adams and MVS (which is what it would take to win a SB) in one offseason that's on them.

Point to the Chiefs I guess if you want but they have an All World TE. We don't. And we also don't have a QB playing at an MVP level. They do

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Wait, so you are trying to excuse the Packers failure to acquire viable WRs after trading away Davante Adams by pointing out the Chiefs have an "All World TE" in Kelce?

Well, despite KC having Kelce rather than a mediocre TE coming off an ACL like Tonyan, KC still went out after trading Tyreek Hill and signed two viable veteran WRs in MVS and Juju rather than dumpster diving with Sammy Watkins.

They also, like Gute, drafted a WR in round 2 Skyy Moore. And last week they shipped a 3rd and a 6th to the Giants for Toney.

Hence, the evidence establishes that even though KC had a much better TE than GB they still did more to get Mahomes new WRs than GB did for Rodgers.

If Gute was actively sabotaging Rodgers he would be hard pressed to do any better than saddling him with a still recovering Tonyan and the worthless/raw corps WRs he has put together.

Their assertions don't hold up under the most basic of scrutiny. I don't know why it's so hard to just admit the Packers brass has mismanaged this team for a decade now.

[th87]

Whoa, didn't know this aspect of it. Watching the Vikings FO outclass us is not pleasant.

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