Official Fire Sean Marks thread

[OfficialRef]

He always messes up the roster every single year

2 Seasons ago; lack of wings
Last season: No wings, too many mini guards, no two way players
This season: No bruiser bigs, all the bigs are either too small, in-experienced or absolute twigs.

[GYK]

the rope he’s been given is ridiculous. just because he built a .500 cakewalk 8th seed once. every single season he’s had an obviously flawed roster. the entire gameplan has always been stars save us(hallmark of a terrible team. instead of the supporting cast setting up a star to take them over the finish line.)
he’s a terrible GM. he picked a terrible coach. the opportunities he had to improve the team he balked at.
our opportunity to out talent teams are long gone. we have to be a great two way team to win.
we have the assets and somewhat the time to fix the roster.

[NetsWorld]

I have yet to see Marks construct a good roster since KD signed here.

I think we've vastly overrated Marks. Vastly.

You're not wrong, and this is why I said earlier that Marks seems to think that constructing a good team involves emulating Doctor Frankenstein, searching for enough (typically mismatched) parts to construct his title-winning monster.

It just rarely works that way in sports, and it almost seems like a slap in the fact to the Pop culture that he supposedly developed under.

At the same time, Marks deliberately chose to build around two guys who fled title-winning teams in order to play together. And they weren't even two-way players at that, like PG13 and Kawhi.

Say what you want about the Clips' stars' injuries, but right now they still look way ahead of us.

When you clear your books enough to sign two veteran max players, you're depending on your young cost controlled assets that you had in place before those signings. Then when you trade the above young assets for another max vet, your team will resemble Frankenstein. You have to maximize the talent around your stars with tax MLEs, late draft picks and minimums. Normally, in that scenario, your stars are reliable enough to cover for any roster deficiencies. However, when your stars miss 30% every season, it gets ugly.

Perfectly stated! It’s not all on Marks, KD bears responsibility; he stated it was, “a wing’s league” over the Off season. Nash should get the boot but that’s really the only thing I criticize him for. Nash is awful and this roster is solid enough to win 53 games under the right coach and system. Mark it down, Nash is a goner. He blasted the team yesterday for this reason….. He knows Tsai will fire him. Udoka will be the next coach IMO

[Nycspirit718]

Im convinced tsai told nash you are safe whomever questions your job (from the media /nets reporters) will get fired! I mean it has to be obvious by now. every single reporter is acting oblivious to it! Every single one!

[Shark]

You're not wrong, and this is why I said earlier that Marks seems to think that constructing a good team involves emulating Doctor Frankenstein, searching for enough (typically mismatched) parts to construct his title-winning monster.

It just rarely works that way in sports, and it almost seems like a slap in the fact to the Pop culture that he supposedly developed under.

At the same time, Marks deliberately chose to build around two guys who fled title-winning teams in order to play together. And they weren't even two-way players at that, like PG13 and Kawhi.

Say what you want about the Clips' stars' injuries, but right now they still look way ahead of us.

When you clear your books enough to sign two veteran max players, you're depending on your young cost controlled assets that you had in place before those signings. Then when you trade the above young assets for another max vet, your team will resemble Frankenstein. You have to maximize the talent around your stars with tax MLEs, late draft picks and minimums. Normally, in that scenario, your stars are reliable enough to cover for any roster deficiencies. However, when your stars miss 30% every season, it gets ugly.

Perfectly stated! It’s not all on Marks, KD bears responsibility; he stated it was, “a wing’s league” over the Off season. Nash should get the boot but that’s really the only thing I criticize him for. Nash is awful and this roster is solid enough to win 53 games under the right coach and system. Mark it down, Nash is a goner. He blasted the team yesterday for this reason….. He knows Tsai will fire him. Udoka will be the next coach IMO

As much as I would have wanted Udoka as our HC in the past, I think there's absolutely no way you can hire him in the current environment the team is in thanks to Kyrie's eternal wisdom. If Marks/Tsai did that they'd just be asking to have an entire season of offcourt drama.

[Shark]

Im convinced tsai told nash you are safe whomever questions your job (from the media /nets reporters) will get fired! I mean it has to be obvious by now. every single reporter is acting oblivious to it! Every single one!

Doubt it. We're talking about the same guy that didn't really do anything to see if de Blasio/Adams would change the COVID restrictions that lead to Kyrie being ineligible to play. The only reason Adams shifted was because the baseball season was about to start and the Steinbrenners, and probably Cohen to and extent, use their influence more effectively.

If he went as far to keep Kyrie as he did this past offseason you would think he'd do something similar for Kyrie so that you don't get the sort of bickering you saw in last night's presser.

Maybe reporters just like Nash and think he's being held hostage by KD and Kyrie. Maybe they're fine enjoying the **** that we're putting on and they don't really care about pressing Nash on the Xs and Os. But it really is ridiculous that he gets absolutely no push back on his coaching. Time and again he's blamed players for the team's struggles and not once has a reporter said at what point the responsibility falls on him to make sure the players are put in a position to succeed.

[vincecarter4pres]

All the things we can bring up as to why Marks should be fired, but not trading Kyrie this summer is inexcusable and unforgivable. That is unless Tsai told him not too. That is his only legitimate mulligan, if it happened to be true.

Now they’re likely to eventually tell him to stay home with pay and watch him walk at the end of the season.

He could have gotten TJH and 2 unprotected picks for him.

Now the only team whom might even trade for him is probably Minnesota, and it would only be out of desperation and we’d probably get nothing but DLoading for him.

[mcscotty]

Marks needs to trade Kyrie and KD for Jarrett Allen and Caris Levert.

[MrDollarBills]

One playoff series win, 2 fired coaches, non stop drama, and all of the team's draft assets belong to Houston.

Sean Marks has accomplished nothing but helping Cleveland to build a legitimate contender, and put Houston in a great position for their rebuild. The Nets? Not so much.

[NetsWorld]

Marks needs to trade Kyrie and KD for Jarrett Allen and Caris Levert.

Word on the street is Simmons is being shopped and dangled for a veteran sharpshooter out West. I hope Nets just get rid of him and move on from him. He still looks afraid, and Nets are not going to win with him being passive and scared.

[TheNetsFan]

Marks needs to trade Kyrie and KD for Jarrett Allen and Caris Levert.

Word on the street is Simmons is being shopped and dangled for a veteran sharpshooter out West. I hope Nets just get rid of him and move on from him. He still looks afraid, and Nets are not going to win with him being passive and scared.

I don't buy it. Either a team out west has inquired about Simmons & offered a sharpshooter, or Marks is looking to proactively dump his contract. You don't target a sharpshooter with Joe, Seth & Royce currently on the roster.

[NetsWorld]

Marks needs to trade Kyrie and KD for Jarrett Allen and Caris Levert.

Word on the street is Simmons is being shopped and dangled for a veteran sharpshooter out West. I hope Nets just get rid of him and move on from him. He still looks afraid, and Nets are not going to win with him being passive and scared.

I don't buy it. Either a team out west has inquired about Simmons & offered a sharpshooter, or Marks is looking to proactively dump his contract. You don't target a sharpshooter with Joe, Seth & Royce currently on the roster.

Royce is on/off with his makes/misses. At this point, the way I see it is if that "Sharpshooter" can handle the ball and shoot efficiently, it's probably better than damaged goods. Some may argue his defense but with Udoka in, I am confident we will play better team defense.

[MrDollarBills]

Marks needs to trade Kyrie and KD for Jarrett Allen and Caris Levert.

Word on the street is Simmons is being shopped and dangled for a veteran sharpshooter out West. I hope Nets just get rid of him and move on from him. He still looks afraid, and Nets are not going to win with him being passive and scared.

I don't buy it. Either a team out west has inquired about Simmons & offered a sharpshooter, or Marks is looking to proactively dump his contract. You don't target a sharpshooter with Joe, Seth & Royce currently on the roster.

I don't buy it either. Anyone who watched Simmons play would be crazy to offer anything for him.

[gigantes]

Well, Kareem's words are once again hitting home with me. Among other things, he's pointing out that there's little hope of Kyrie having any real wake up call here or simply making a genuine apology. It's time to concede that he's a lost cause due to being so chronically insulated from reality.

I've been in the pro-Marks crowd for a long time, and have understood from day one that most GM's would have signed KIKD, and that ~95% of the bad decisions Marks has made have come from trying to maximise their title window. That said, if this situation isn't fixed by the deadline, I think I'm going to have to go with "fire Marks." Partly that's an attempt to be rational, but partly my deep disgust is becoming more and more untenable.

Not to mention, this group of stars simply isn't championship material, and the team needs to be blown up anyway. Might as well make it as clean a sweep as possible. Call it a two-fer. Marks needs to realise this soon enough.

Meanwhile, the local team features Fro, Caris and a bunch of young players that I increasingly enjoy watching more than I do following this dumpster fire of a team. So I guess that's how that works.

My Take: I couldn’t be prouder of Shaq, Charles, and Reggie for their bold and straightforward comments. They are at the forefront of Black athletes that are condemning the recent antisemitic social media posts by Kyrie Irving and Ye (Kanye West). It’s a genuine “I am Spartacus” moment.

The NBA Players Association also released a statement on Nov. 1: “Anti-Semitism has no place in our society. The NBPA is focused on creating an environment where everyone is accepted. We are committed to helping players fully understand that certain words can lead to hateful ideologies being spread We will continue to work on identifying and combatting all hate speech wherever it arises.”

Yet, Irving has been defiant about his postings. You can read his long, rambling, at times contradictory defense here. Mostly he reveals his lack of awareness of how history works. It’s not an all-you-can-eat buffet from which you can pluck just the dishes you like without any understanding of the context.

His inability to understand why his posts are news can be seen in this statement: “There’s things being posted every day. I’m no different from the next human being, so don’t treat me any different. You guys come in here and make up this powerful influence that I have (and say) you cannot post that. Why not? Why not?” If he really thinks someone with millions of followers spouting hate speech is the same as Jim in accounting posting on Facebook, then he really is out of step with reality.

The Nets finally forced Irving to acknowledge the damage he’s done and donate $500,000 to groups opposing hate speech. In his statement you can almost hear his arm being twisted: “I oppose all forms of hatred and oppression and stand strong with communities that are marginalized and impacted every day. I am aware of the negative impact of my post towards the Jewish community and I take responsibility." But there was no explicit apology—which tells us everything about what he really believes.

Honestly, there’s little hope that he will change because he’s insulated by fame and money and surrounded by yes-people. There is no motivation to learn how to distinguish propaganda from facts. All that’s left is for the world to decide how it should respond to him.

Kareem Note: The problem of antisemitism is much bigger than Irving or Ye. They are merely the unwitting spokesperson for the right-wing political movement that is blatantly taking over the GOP. (For the full story, read “Jewish leaders call on GOP candidates to reject antisemitic comments”). Many Republican candidates running for some of the most powerful positions in their states and in the country—such as Pennsylvania’s GOP gubernatorial nominee Doug Mastriano—feel perfectly free to publicly spout antisemitic statements without fear of reprisal from their own party or the voters. That should be a very troubling sign for all marginalized groups because fascists always start by demonizing one group—right before they go after the others.

https://kareem.substack.com/p/shaq-kyrie-irving-idiot-has-twitter

[MrDollarBills]

Well, Kareem's words are once again hitting home with me. Among other things, he's pointing out that there's little hope of Kyrie having any real wake up call here or simply making a genuine apology. It's time to concede that he's a lost cause due to being so chronically insulated from reality.

I've been in the pro-Marks crowd for a long time, and have understood from day one that most GM's would have signed KIKD, and that ~95% of the bad decisions Marks has made have come from trying to maximise their title window. That said, if this situation isn't fixed by the deadline, I think I'm going to have to go with "fire Marks." Partly that's an attempt to be rational, but partly my deep disgust is becoming more and more untenable.

Not to mention, this group of stars simply isn't championship material, and the team needs to be blown up anyway. Might as well make it as clean a sweep as possible. Call it a two-fer. Marks needs to realise this soon enough.

Meanwhile, the local team features Fro, Caris and a bunch of young players that I increasingly enjoy watching more than I do following this dumpster fire of a team. So I guess that's how that works.

My Take: I couldn’t be prouder of Shaq, Charles, and Reggie for their bold and straightforward comments. They are at the forefront of Black athletes that are condemning the recent antisemitic social media posts by Kyrie Irving and Ye (Kanye West). It’s a genuine “I am Spartacus” moment.

The NBA Players Association also released a statement on Nov. 1: “Anti-Semitism has no place in our society. The NBPA is focused on creating an environment where everyone is accepted. We are committed to helping players fully understand that certain words can lead to hateful ideologies being spread We will continue to work on identifying and combatting all hate speech wherever it arises.”

Yet, Irving has been defiant about his postings. You can read his long, rambling, at times contradictory defense here. Mostly he reveals his lack of awareness of how history works. It’s not an all-you-can-eat buffet from which you can pluck just the dishes you like without any understanding of the context.

His inability to understand why his posts are news can be seen in this statement: “There’s things being posted every day. I’m no different from the next human being, so don’t treat me any different. You guys come in here and make up this powerful influence that I have (and say) you cannot post that. Why not? Why not?” If he really thinks someone with millions of followers spouting hate speech is the same as Jim in accounting posting on Facebook, then he really is out of step with reality.

The Nets finally forced Irving to acknowledge the damage he’s done and donate $500,000 to groups opposing hate speech. In his statement you can almost hear his arm being twisted: “I oppose all forms of hatred and oppression and stand strong with communities that are marginalized and impacted every day. I am aware of the negative impact of my post towards the Jewish community and I take responsibility." But there was no explicit apology—which tells us everything about what he really believes.

Honestly, there’s little hope that he will change because he’s insulated by fame and money and surrounded by yes-people. There is no motivation to learn how to distinguish propaganda from facts. All that’s left is for the world to decide how it should respond to him.

Kareem Note: The problem of antisemitism is much bigger than Irving or Ye. They are merely the unwitting spokesperson for the right-wing political movement that is blatantly taking over the GOP. (For the full story, read “Jewish leaders call on GOP candidates to reject antisemitic comments”). Many Republican candidates running for some of the most powerful positions in their states and in the country—such as Pennsylvania’s GOP gubernatorial nominee Doug Mastriano—feel perfectly free to publicly spout antisemitic statements without fear of reprisal from their own party or the voters. That should be a very troubling sign for all marginalized groups because fascists always start by demonizing one group—right before they go after the others.

https://kareem.substack.com/p/shaq-kyrie-irving-idiot-has-twitter

Kareem, who knows about the struggle from the 60s understands what Kyrie and Nets fandom across social media fail to understand: Antisemitism in all of its form is white supremacy. It's baked into its core. This isn't just going to hurt Jewish people if it remains unchecked.

Ppl have no clue what they are condoning or defending here.

[levon]

I don't know what the right thread to post this is, but now has got to be the time to trade everyone of value on the Nets, right? And just send Kyrie home? I don't believe now is the time to bring in Udoka and give it one more honest shot. Everyone's value is depreciating by the day. Durant's been at peak powers so far. What if he starts to pout or disengage or gets injured in the coming weeks?

I understand there's no incentive to tank, but we've seen that young upstart teams can tread water in the league, and presumably your return for veterans can form a Jazz-like core with a young coach at the helm and the stink out of Brooklyn.

Realistically, this team has no shot at an NBA championship, and every day that goes by with the status quo causes harm to the franchise' image, especially if they go through with this Udoka thing. How can you say "Kyrie can't be associated with the Nets", then bring in Udoka?

They should reboot again to something similar to the Russell and Jarett Allen squad that Sean Marks built, and this time try to only bring wholesome stars in. They already made the mistake to run it back in the summer, and there's only downside to doubling down further.

[sashaturiaf]

I don't know what the right thread to post this is, but now has got to be the time to trade everyone of value on the Nets, right? And just send Kyrie home? I don't believe now is the time to bring in Udoka and give it one more honest shot. Everyone's value is depreciating by the day. Durant's been at peak powers so far. What if he starts to pout or disengage or gets injured in the coming weeks?

I understand there's no incentive to tank, but we've seen that young upstart teams can tread water in the league, and presumably your return for veterans can form a Jazz-like core with a young coach at the helm and the stink out of Brooklyn.

Realistically, this team has no shot at an NBA championship, and every day that goes by with the status quo causes harm to the franchise' image, especially if they go through with this Udoka thing. How can you say "Kyrie can't be associated with the Nets", then bring in Udoka?

They should reboot again to something similar to the Russell and Jarett Allen squad that Sean Marks built, and this time try to only bring wholesome stars in. They already made the mistake to run it back in the summer, and there's only downside to doubling down further.

Shut up Laker fan, why blow things up when you don't control your own picks.

[levon]

^ I took my time to carefully explain why and you decided to be an ass, albeit with great efficiency. What does my fandom have to do with anything?

[MrDollarBills]

I don't know what the right thread to post this is, but now has got to be the time to trade everyone of value on the Nets, right? And just send Kyrie home? I don't believe now is the time to bring in Udoka and give it one more honest shot. Everyone's value is depreciating by the day. Durant's been at peak powers so far. What if he starts to pout or disengage or gets injured in the coming weeks?

I understand there's no incentive to tank, but we've seen that young upstart teams can tread water in the league, and presumably your return for veterans can form a Jazz-like core with a young coach at the helm and the stink out of Brooklyn.

Realistically, this team has no shot at an NBA championship, and every day that goes by with the status quo causes harm to the franchise' image, especially if they go through with this Udoka thing. How can you say "Kyrie can't be associated with the Nets", then bring in Udoka?

They should reboot again to something similar to the Russell and Jarett Allen squad that Sean Marks built, and this time try to only bring wholesome stars in. They already made the mistake to run it back in the summer, and there's only downside to doubling down further.

I want to blow this up right now. There's zero reason to continue

[vincecarter4pres]

Marks needs to trade Kyrie and KD for Jarrett Allen and Caris Levert.

Word on the street is Simmons is being shopped and dangled for a veteran sharpshooter out West. I hope Nets just get rid of him and move on from him. He still looks afraid, and Nets are not going to win with him being passive and scared.

Where are you hearing this and who are the rumored targets?