Report: Joshua Primo allegedly exposed himself to women

[NZB2323]

I thought the Spurs were immune to this kind of thing, unlike the Hornets.

[Roger Murdock]

Work setting for a basketball player means basketball shorts. I’ve definitely seen friends dongs in gym shorts before and they weren’t exposing themselves intentionally

Not defending Primo obviously we will learn a lot more about this story as by the claims it should be pretty verifiable and documented what actually happened. It’s a bad look for sure but I think there’s enough rope where there’s a chance he’s just in a bad sutuation

[jokeboy86]

This past year has proved its time for Silver to earn his money as commissioner because this year has been a PR disaster with multiple things. The problem when you put yourself and your league on a pedestal is you become a target when the slightest things happen and the "got cha" police come out in droves. Pop has a lot of haters outside the league who've been waiting for a reason to jump on him(Kerr too) so they're probably licking their chops cause this happened under his watch and his organization.

[Exp0sed]

Ok I keep thinking about duty to warn: nine times, escalating. Regardless of what was reported to the team - and I'm not victim blaming. I do believe her and she did the right thing by reporting it, but in duty to warn situations, it goes beyond the employer and to legally bound professional obligation to notify authorities.

Perhaps it was done and we don't know about it. But if it had presumably it wouldn't have happened nine times with her alone and then with others.

Perhaps duty to warn does not apply here. But if the psychologist is in peril wouldn't that make duty to warn kick in? I hope the psychologists who spoke earlier chime in.

I don't undestand the facts here at all

Speaking to HR is one thing, but he's sitting with his team appointed Dr. and his junk can be seen dangling thru his shorts?
that's a 180 from "flashing" multiple women

not "victim blaming" just trying to understand the situation
like, she doesn't inform him on the spot (the 1st time) that his dong is visible and to put it away?

Instead she speaks with HR about it?

that's not a real thing..
if that's the actual story

what happened next, HR talked to Primo told him: listen, you gotta make sure ur dong isn't visible from the outside during therapy?

[Mavrelous]

Sports was thought of as substitute for war, sports entertainment replaced primitive and barbaric traditions like gladiators and bull fighting, Adam Silvers NBA took it a step further and filled the role of soap operas.

[zimpy27]

I guess I'd want to know who she told and who was responsible to inform Primo. Was this all communicated to him? Why was there a breakdown in communication?

Something here is BS. She is a Dr. It’s understandable if the first time she didn’t feel comfortable alone in a room addressing it with a much larger male. But…after that she has the ability to control the situation. She can refuse to have sessions alone with him if the Spurs aren’t putting the right steps in place, or refuse to see him at all. She can refer him to a specialist. She has lots of options and a professional duty.

Nine times is key.

This is victim blaming. Same as blaming the victim when someone is raped by someone they know, doesn't report it to the cops, then it happens again by that same person.

Now in this situation the crime is of a much lower grade than that, but consider a scenario like this:

- You need this job, you may have personal life money stresses/difficulties that may make switching jobs difficult
- Primo may have not worn underwear intentionally and his dong kept slipping out of the shorts rather than a "whipping out" type moment
- The psychologist may have assessed him as a sexual exhibitionist, not a rapist, and felt it would not escalate. This doesn't mean his sexual exhibitionism isn't about power, but the psychologist may have felt she was safe from further harm than what we've heard of

So say you're this lady, you need this job and you don't feel physically threatened, you have this kid whose junk keeps being exposed during your sessions with him. You might feel that professionally you could *help* him and stop it, she may feel that is part of her purpose as a psychologist. If she physically felt safe, she may have been willing to mentally deal with it due to her needing the job and feeling like she might be able to help him. But she won't be able to actually help at all if the Spurs aren't issuing any consequences or helping her deal with the situation.

One thing that's also important to point out is that when someone becomes a victim, they often may try to lower the level of the incident in their mind to protect themselves mentally. I hate speculating too much about what was going on in her mind, but try to have some compassion here. She may have actually been trying to help this kid not ruin his life (and keep hers intact).

I think it's clear she's a victim here.

What is unclear is if there was a wilful perpetrator or whether there was a system breakdown that perpetrated this.

[dhsilv2]

This past year has proved its time for Silver to earn his money as commissioner because this year has been a PR disaster with multiple things. The problem when you put yourself and your league on a pedestal is you become a target when the slightest things happen and the "got cha" police come out in droves. Pop has a lot of haters outside the league who've been waiting for a reason to jump on him(Kerr too) so they're probably licking their chops cause this happened under his watch and his organization.

So because trolls are a thing the league has a problem? Doesn't make any sense. If the complaining is from a bunch of nothing trolls, the league should ignore it as everyone else will. If it's a real issue then they address it.

[Revived]

This is a Deshaun Watson situation all over again.

Damn so Primo’s gonna get a max from some team?

[Revived]

This is a Deshaun Watson situation all over again.

A pretty big difference between rape, forced oral and flashing.

It's like comparing showing a gun and actually shooting someone with it.

Pretty sure Primo will get misdemeanors, if that.

What criminal punishment did Watson ever get?

[dhsilv2]

Ok I keep thinking about duty to warn: nine times, escalating. Regardless of what was reported to the team - and I'm not victim blaming. I do believe her and she did the right thing by reporting it, but in duty to warn situations, it goes beyond the employer and to legally bound professional obligation to notify authorities.

Perhaps it was done and we don't know about it. But if it had presumably it wouldn't have happened nine times with her alone and then with others.

Perhaps duty to warn does not apply here. But if the psychologist is in peril wouldn't that make duty to warn kick in? I hope the psychologists who spoke earlier chime in.

I don't undestand the facts here at all

Speaking to HR is one thing, but he's sitting with his team appointed Dr. and his junk can be seen dangling thru his shorts?
that's a 180 from "flashing" multiple women

not "victim blaming" just trying to understand the situation
like, she doesn't inform him on the spot (the 1st time) that his dong is visible and to put it away?

Instead she speaks with HR about it?

that's not a real thing..
if that's the actual story

what happened next, HR talked to Primo told him: listen, you gotta make sure ur dong isn't visible from the outside during therapy?

That 100% sounds like the kind of thing that could and would happen. Person doesn't feel comfortable mentioning it. Tells HR who's role would be to inform and fix the problem. "hey, your dog hangs out of your shorts, put underwear on when you're walking around in basketball shorts.

And the end...

[BK_2020]

It's an unfortunate burden that she, as the victim here, also has responsibilities as a psychologist that go beyond her job with the team.

IF duty to warn applies here, and if it doesn't it would be great to get clarification as to why, then she was bound by her profession to report this to authorities. Without making it sound like I'm victim blaming, I wasnt to be very clear about this, I don't understand how this could have occurred so many times given that it wasn't a safe working environment, for her and anyone else he did it to.

This isn’t hard really. She is a Dr. The first time if she was uncomfortable in a room alone addressing it that’s totally understandable. But after that first time you go directly to HR. A plan gets put in place to address it. If that plan is not satisfactory to her then she refuses to meet with him until one is developed or she just refers him to a specialist and tells the Spurs that’s her medical opinion and it’s non negotiable.

What you don’t do is meet with him 8 more times under circumstances you find professionally inappropriate.

This isn’t victim blaming, it’s a professional duty as a Dr.

And that's really my point. In the interest of self-protection and the profession, the duty to warn is there to activate. An obligation, even. If it doesn't apply here I don't see how.

Duty to warn is not what you think is. Please stop.

[jokeboy86]

Ok I keep thinking about duty to warn: nine times, escalating. Regardless of what was reported to the team - and I'm not victim blaming. I do believe her and she did the right thing by reporting it, but in duty to warn situations, it goes beyond the employer and to legally bound professional obligation to notify authorities.

Perhaps it was done and we don't know about it. But if it had presumably it wouldn't have happened nine times with her alone and then with others.

Perhaps duty to warn does not apply here. But if the psychologist is in peril wouldn't that make duty to warn kick in? I hope the psychologists who spoke earlier chime in.

I don't undestand the facts here at all

Speaking to HR is one thing, but he's sitting with his team appointed Dr. and his junk can be seen dangling thru his shorts?
that's a 180 from "flashing" multiple women

not "victim blaming" just trying to understand the situation
like, she doesn't inform him on the spot (the 1st time) that his dong is visible and to put it away?

Instead she speaks with HR about it?

that's not a real thing..
if that's the actual story

what happened next, HR talked to Primo told him: listen, you gotta make sure ur dong isn't visible from the outside during therapy?

Either there are more women, her getting a lawyer and suing spooked the Spurs, or there were other factors because the Spurs had to have some reason to immediately cut him with no questions asked. Hell they went all the way into training camp with him and let him play in 4 games as well.

[G R E Y]

This isn’t hard really. She is a Dr. The first time if she was uncomfortable in a room alone addressing it that’s totally understandable. But after that first time you go directly to HR. A plan gets put in place to address it. If that plan is not satisfactory to her then she refuses to meet with him until one is developed or she just refers him to a specialist and tells the Spurs that’s her medical opinion and it’s non negotiable.

What you don’t do is meet with him 8 more times under circumstances you find professionally inappropriate.

This isn’t victim blaming, it’s a professional duty as a Dr.

And that's really my point. In the interest of self-protection and the profession, the duty to warn is there to activate. An obligation, even. If it doesn't apply here I don't see how.

Duty to warn is not what you think is. Please stop.

If so, I'd like to understand better why. Yesterday a poster who is a psychologist expanded on it and he stated there are nuances to it and that he may need to consider its implications for himself.

[Sedale Threatt]

Exhibit 10,387 that the coverup always makes things 1,000 times worse. Stuff is going to happen at some point with every single team. Sweeping it under the rug is the worst possible option.

Popovich and Buford have conducted themselves honorably in this league for a long time so I will absolutely give them the benefit of the doubt. I will be shocked if they knew and looked the other way. But I never would have guessed Paterno would end up like he did so that’s not irrevocable.

I’m wondering if Wright will keep his job. I’m sure this might not be a huge deal to some, but how do you trust this guy’s judgment after this? And that’s pretty much the most important part of his job, making good decisions. If Pop and Buford were indeed unaware, I’m f’ing livid with this guy.

[Xatticus]

If this is the best his lawyer can come up with he's screwed



It's the woman's responsibility to tell the man his dick is repeatedly hanging out in front of her.

Put yourself in the situation. You're a psych, you have a meeting with Primo on this schedule:

July 1: Meet with Primo, dick hanging out
July 15: Meet with Primo, dick hanging out
Aug 1: Meet with Primo, dick hanging out

Are you going to continue for another 6 sessions when you're uneasy and potentially in an unsafe environment? And inform nobody about it until you decide "You know what, the first 8 times I'm gonna let slide, but this 9th one..ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!"?

I believe her.

And this is weird.

And I keep rethinking about duty to warn. Isn't it aplicable in this case? IF so, then why weren't authorities outside of the team informed?

I just don't see how this is applicable. There was no imminent threat of violence. The scope of this must be limited or the entire field of psychology will be irreparably harmed. A significantly smaller portion of the population is going to seek help if they feel that what is said behind closed doors is no longer confidential.

This really isn't about Primo anymore. This is about how the Spurs mismanaged the situation. It's obvious at this point that the organization was not getting out in front of this, but rather that they went into damage control mode after the ramifications became clear. This is going to be about who knew what, when they knew it, and how they responded to what they knew.

Psychologists have to be made of sterner stuff than those of most other professions. Much like a social worker, soldier, or other types of physicians, you are going to see and hear things that will make you uncomfortable. None of us know what went on in her sessions with Primo, but we do know that it made her uncomfortable and that she tried to address the matter internally. At this point, it seems that her concerns were not addressed in a satisfactory way and ultimately they led to her losing her job. That is the crux of the issue.

[Texas Chuck]

Yeah, Joe Paterno knew nothing about Sandusky either. You have to be living under a rock to believe that pop didn’t know

These situations are not remotely the same. Good grief. What a terrible post. Delete it and I will delete where I quoted you.

The crimes aren’t the same. The premise is. Pop is the spurs. To try to pull the wool over anyones eyes and say pop doesn’t know everything that goes on in his house is a laughable premise. The entire franchise tried to sweep it under the rug and got busted.

Good grief is right. Nothing in my post breaks terms of service and I’m not deleting it because you disagree with me

I'm not a mod of this forum. I'm not asking you to delete it as a mod, but as a friend.

It's a horrible take. I was trying to help you. But since you want to double down.....

Let me help just a little though. Sandusky reported to Paterno. There's a lot more wrong with your take, but this is an easy portion you can start with.

[BK_2020]

And that's really my point. In the interest of self-protection and the profession, the duty to warn is there to activate. An obligation, even. If it doesn't apply here I don't see how.

Duty to warn is not what you think is. Please stop.

If so, I'd like to understand better why. Yesterday a poster who is a psychologist expanded on it and there are nuances to it and that he may need to consider its implications for himself.

In the mental health setting, sometimes the mental health professional comes upon a dilemma. They have a duty of confidentiality to their clients, but sometimes their clients reveal thoughts that suggest they may cause harm to others or themselves. States enact laws that give permission for mental health professionals to betray their duty of confidentiality to their clients to protect others or the client himself. Some states go further and make this reporting a mandatory duty. In most cases, this reporting duty is limited to imminent physical harm, like if your client says don't come to school tomorrow or says things suggesting he'll end his life.
This duty has pretty much jack to do with sexual harassment and it absolutely does not mean a mental health professional is required to endure predatory and abusive behavior towards her.

[Texas Chuck]

Also we need to stop with the he just so happened to be hanging out of his shorts every time he met with this woman, but it never happened in other team meetings?

I mean I know some of you want to always defend the man and attack the woman, but at least stop and think about what you are asking us to believe. Some of you were clearly just waiting for any defense and now that his lawyer provided you one, you are leaping to accept it despite the ludicrous nature of the explanation.

Especially in light of his initial statement about dealing with trauma.

[76thBearCub]

Pop guna keep up his holier then thou shtick or slink away

[jokeboy86]

This past year has proved its time for Silver to earn his money as commissioner because this year has been a PR disaster with multiple things. The problem when you put yourself and your league on a pedestal is you become a target when the slightest things happen and the "got cha" police come out in droves. Pop has a lot of haters outside the league who've been waiting for a reason to jump on him(Kerr too) so they're probably licking their chops cause this happened under his watch and his organization.

So because trolls are a thing the league has a problem? Doesn't make any sense. If the complaining is from a bunch of nothing trolls, the league should ignore it as everyone else will. If it's a real issue then they address it.

The power of trolls nowadays are strong unfortunately especially if they have a big enough platform(or network) and the league and its players sometimes acknowledge them. The league and the players could've ignored the trolls when it came to the Morey/China situation and their relationship with China at the time but they were forced to acknowledge it and address it.