Kyrie donates $500K to organizations that fight hate. Adam Silver disappointed by Kyrie apology and plans to meet him

[Wooderson]

Aa an African American I support Kyries right to free speech and wish he did not apologize. By apologizing hes allowing the woke mob to escalate theyre book burning information
suppressing agendas that will hurt black people the most. Even after donating half a million dollars his critics are still trashing him ITT. It doesn't matter as they will hate him no matter what.

The NBA is now a grounds for social politics, social engineering, fake news, division, and hatred. Unfortunate.

Quite the illogical straw man.

This isn't an issue of free speech; Kyrie's speech isn't being restricted by the government. Kyrie is being held accountable by his corporate employer for spreading racist propaganda, and the weight of his own narcissism prevents him from being empathetic of his actions.

To me... his freedom of speech is being restricted for the simple fact that he is being pretty significantly punished.
One can debate what qualifies as restricting freedom of speech - is it imprisonment or de-platforming or something else. What matters IMO is that he's being significantly punished for his speech.
I'm not even condoning or promoting the content or message of the documentary but man... people are crucifying him. I think we take our freedoms for granted sometimes.

Being significantly punished? If I supported hateful rhetoric on LinkedIn my company would fire me the same day. And the same is true for tons of employers id imagine. Free speech doesn't protect you from this type of reaction. The government is not involved and Kyrie still has a platform to say whatever he'd like.

Kyrie is actually getting off lightly compared to the common person because he's in the absolute upper echelon in his profession. If anything he's lucky with the consequences so far.

When Kyrie signed a contract he was committing to representing the NBAs brand. That was his choice, no one forced him.

[nshidbaby]

Hate speech:
1. written or verbal speech that may offend specific groups

Anti:
1. opposed to; against

Semitism:
1. a characteristic feature of a Semitic language occurring in another language.
2 : policy or predisposition favorable to Jews.

Semitic:
1. relating to or denoting a family of languages that includes Hebrew, Arabic, and Aramaic and certain ancient languages such as Phoenician and Akkadian, constituting the main subgroup of the Afro-Asiatic family.
2. relating to the peoples who speak Semitic languages, especially Hebrew and Arabic.

Jew:
1. a member of the people and cultural community whose traditional religion is Judaism and who trace their origins through the ancient Hebrew people of Israel to Abraham.

All of these terms are very subjective. Is it hate speech to criticize someone or something? Can you be considered anti-semitic if you criticize Jewish people, claim to have Jewish ancestry, and also follow Judaism? What does it actually mean to be anti-semitic? Is it anti-semitic to criticize the Jewish faith or challenge the historical validity of Hebrew ancestry? Since almost any can be considered Jewish if they are a follower of Judaism and claim to have ancestry to Hebrew people (including Africans), are all Jewish people followers of Judaism AND descendants of ancient Hebrews? Even if they were Jews, are they not open to "valid" criticism?

If someone is to apologize, there should be a what, who, and why? What are we actually discussing that was clearly expressed? Who are the actual parties offended? Why were they offended? Questions matter. Falsities and truths need to be identified before we can accuse someone of something? What is the "actual" subject matter? Who are the "actual" victims? Why is this an issue? Don't we need "actual" open discussion to legitimize accusations.

Sensitivity. Politics. Questions.

Note: To add to the argument, think of migrants that came to this country before its founding many years ago. Some migrants came willfully and some not so willingly. We have identifying terms here to describe descendants of these migrants that are purely social, blatantly false, yet pushed politically. If we were to criticize these social terms and bring "factual" historical clarification to them, we would be considered conspiracy theorists, antithetical to the popular culture, or essentially misfits. In this day and age, to seek the truth is to be criticized. Personally, I do not fear criticism. I welcome it, so I can become a better person.

[picc]

People love to be outraged. It's incredible.

This and the Draymond thing man. Stupid people did stupid things. Lets ruin their lives.

[Mickey8]

Aa an African American I support Kyries right to free speech and wish he did not apologize. By apologizing hes allowing the woke mob to escalate theyre book burning information
suppressing agendas that will hurt black people the most. Even after donating half a million dollars his critics are still trashing him ITT. It doesn't matter as they will hate him no matter what.

The NBA is now a grounds for social politics, social engineering, fake news, division, and hatred. Unfortunate.

So if Nikola Jokic or some white superstar promotes "The Birth of a Nation" or some KKK documentary, you think that's fine too?

Why would Nikola Jokic promote KKK documentary, when he comes from the land that educated millions of African students in the past. From the country where slavery never existed

[Grubie024]

Quite the illogical straw man.

This isn't an issue of free speech; Kyrie's speech isn't being restricted by the government. Kyrie is being held accountable by his corporate employer for spreading racist propaganda, and the weight of his own narcissism prevents him from being empathetic of his actions.

To me... his freedom of speech is being restricted for the simple fact that he is being pretty significantly punished.
One can debate what qualifies as restricting freedom of speech - is it imprisonment or de-platforming or something else. What matters IMO is that he's being significantly punished for his speech.
I'm not even condoning or promoting the content or message of the documentary but man... people are crucifying him. I think we take our freedoms for granted sometimes.

Being significantly punished? If I supported hateful rhetoric on LinkedIn my company would fire me the same day. And the same is true for tons of employers id imagine. Free speech doesn't protect you from this type of reaction. The government is not involved and Kyrie still has a platform to say whatever he'd like.

Kyrie is actually getting off lightly compared to the common person because he's in the absolute upper echelon in his profession. If anything he's lucky with the consequences so far.

When Kyrie signed a contract he was committing to representing the NBAs brand. That was his choice, no one forced him.

I understand and agree that if you or I were to post that sort of thing, and it went public, we'd probably be terminated.
Look into the future - you think he's getting endorsements like he was before? He's tainted man. The damage is done it just isn't super evident yet. He's lost his future to a degree.

[Frank Dux]

Kyrie is content. I love how he isn't backing down from his position. I wish his position was a principled one based on truth but I kind of respect him holding firm here in this climate.

Adolf Hitler also held firm opinions until his death. That’s not an admirable quality, at all.

So you are equating Irving with the monster who exterminated tens of millions of Jews,Slavic people,gypsy's etc. Unbelievable

oh **** off. you’re just being dense. nobody is saying Kyrie is literally Hitler. use your damn brain.

[alebaba]

I used to be a big fan of Kyrie, but ive been done with this dude for awhile now. He think hes smarter than he actually is, yes, he very well spoken, but hes still an idiot. He's been weird as hell ever since he found out hes part "Native American". I would love to see his 23andme results. I bet I'm way more Native American than he is, yet I don't go around parading like I'm full blooded Native American.

[gorz]

This is america kyrie is entitled to his own beliefs as we are all entitled to our own beliefs and opinions

Ignoring the rest of your rambling Infowars nonsense, by the above logic a player that criticizes the black community should be 'entitled to his own beliefs' and not face repercussions by the league?

Yes that should apply in this situation as well. As I previously stated this phenomenon has only recently started happening since the past decade via wokeness/political correctness/victimhood mentality has been injected into our society. Since when is/was criticism categorized as "hate speech"? I'm flabbergasted.

[Wooderson]

To me... his freedom of speech is being restricted for the simple fact that he is being pretty significantly punished.
One can debate what qualifies as restricting freedom of speech - is it imprisonment or de-platforming or something else. What matters IMO is that he's being significantly punished for his speech.
I'm not even condoning or promoting the content or message of the documentary but man... people are crucifying him. I think we take our freedoms for granted sometimes.

Being significantly punished? If I supported hateful rhetoric on LinkedIn my company would fire me the same day. And the same is true for tons of employers id imagine. Free speech doesn't protect you from this type of reaction. The government is not involved and Kyrie still has a platform to say whatever he'd like.

Kyrie is actually getting off lightly compared to the common person because he's in the absolute upper echelon in his profession. If anything he's lucky with the consequences so far.

When Kyrie signed a contract he was committing to representing the NBAs brand. That was his choice, no one forced him.

I understand and agree that if you or I were to post that sort of thing, and it went public, we'd probably be terminated.
Look into the future - you think he's getting endorsements like he was before? He's tainted man. The damage is done it just isn't super evident yet. He's lost his future to a degree.

I'm still not sure of your point. Free speech doesn't protect you from consequences. Kyrie is still allowed to say what he wants - ie his free speech still exists - but just like anyone he's accountable for what he says.

[infinite11285]

People love to be outraged. It's incredible.

This and the Draymond thing man. Stupid people did stupid things. Lets ruin their lives.

Exactly how is his life being ruined?

[Mickey8]

Not gonna put my two cents in the whole antisemitism part.

But Adam silvers blatant picking and choosing is disgusting.

Pro civil rights but doesn’t say a word about communist China’s treatment of Ughyir / pro democracies.

Super upset about this issue, but literally drops the ball about Jordan Poole being assaulted by fellow team members.

He is perhaps the most biased commissioner of any league.

Why would he meddle in other country social issues ??? And are we really sure that there is a real genocide in China against Muslim minority??? And please don't post some mainstream media clips and documentaries. I can counter to that too.

Strike: Bigotry/Trolling

[Grubie024]

Hate speech:
1. written or verbal speech that may offend specific groups

Anti:
1. opposed to; against

Semitism:
1. a characteristic feature of a Semitic language occurring in another language.
2 : policy or predisposition favorable to Jews.

Semitic:
1. relating to or denoting a family of languages that includes Hebrew, Arabic, and Aramaic and certain ancient languages such as Phoenician and Akkadian, constituting the main subgroup of the Afro-Asiatic family.
2. relating to the peoples who speak Semitic languages, especially Hebrew and Arabic.

Jew:
1. a member of the people and cultural community whose traditional religion is Judaism and who trace their origins through the ancient Hebrew people of Israel to Abraham.

All of these terms are very subjective. Is it hate speech to criticize someone or something? Can you be considered anti-semitic if you criticize Jewish people, claim to have Jewish ancestry, and also follow Judaism? What does it actually mean to be anti-semitic? Is it anti-semitic to criticize the Jewish faith or challenge the historical validity of Hebrew ancestry? Since almost any can be considered Jewish if they are a follower of Judaism and claim to have ancestry to Hebrew people (including Africans), are all Jewish people followers of Judaism AND descendants of ancient Hebrews? Even if they were Jews, are they not open to "valid" criticism?

If someone is to apologize, there should be a what, who, and why? What are we actually discussing that was clearly expressed? Who are the actual parties offended? Why were they offended? Questions matter. Falsities and truths need to be identified before we can accuse someone of something? What is the "actual" subject matter? Who are the "actual" victims? Why is this an issue? Don't we need "actual" open discussion to legitimize accusations.

Sensitivity. Politics. Questions.

Note: To add to the argument, think of migrants that came to this country before its founding many years ago. Some migrants came willfully and some not so willingly. We have identifying terms here to describe descendants of these migrants that are purely social, blatantly false, yet pushed politically. If we were to criticize these social terms and bring "factual" historical clarification to them, we would be considered conspiracy theorists, antithetical to the popular culture, or essentially misfits. In this day and age, to seek the truth is to be criticized. Personally, I do not fear criticism. I welcome it, so I can become a better person.

Subjective
That's the operative word in this whole thing.

[The Sebastian Express]

Some of you don't understand free speech. You also don't understand expectations (or legally binding in some cases) and agreements of codes of conduct.

Your freedom of speech right is your ability to protest your government on public ground.

Freedom of speech is not the right to say whatever you want without any consequence. Think of it similar to how you cannot scream 'fire' and put people at risk for trampling when there is, in fact, no fire.

And also compare it to realGM and your user accounts. When you sign up here you agree to a terms of service. Which means you agree to abide by the conduct and expected behavior of this board and if you violate those rules, you can and will risk warnings, suspensions or your account being outright banned. There's a few of you in this thread espousing conspiracy theories and antiSemitic thoughts who are all too familiar with violating the ToS, as you have been banned from the current affairs board for not following the rules.

Kyrie is not jailed for his comments. He is not under government oppression for his inflammatory remarks. However, he is under fire from his peers (as in human beings), sponsors, and his employer for his conduct. Conduct which harms other people, conduct which harms his employer's business.

If Kyrie (and apparently some of you) don't want to suffer the consequences for making hateful comments, don't make them - or leave the areas where those hateful comments are not allowed and damage the people with whom you have signed employment and advertising contracts. It's not a hard concept.

Freedom of speech is a right to criticize your government. It is not a right to say whatever you want and feel no consequences, no pressure, no criticism from your fellow human beings.

[jokeboy86]

If you're Joe Tsai at what point do you ask yourself is all this worth it? I mean they haven't even gotten to a conference Finals so again is Kyrie's unpredictability worth the headache. It'd be one thing if he was winning MVPs, had the top selling jersey in the league, or reaping so much financially but at this point I would cut Kyrie and take my losses.

[WestGOAT]

Outrageous! How dare Kyrie not make a (forced fake) apology?!


So sad that it wasn't enough apparently to convince Kyrie of his wrong-doings, despite these courageous kids making a court-side appearance to enlighten him.

[ryan in Maine]

Aa an African American I support Kyries right to free speech and wish he did not apologize.

Feeling shamed/guilted into apologizing is not tantamount to a violation of his constitutional rights.

By apologizing hes allowing the woke mob to escalate theyre book burning information
suppressing agendas that will hurt black people the most.

What woke mob? What book burning? You can go buy the materials in question right now if you're so inclined. You can get all your friends and family a copy of it for the holidays, too.

Even after donating half a million dollars his critics are still trashing him ITT. It doesn't matter as they will hate him no matter what.

Why would making a generous charitable donation absolve him of any wrongdoing?

The NBA is now a grounds for social politics, social engineering, fake news, division, and hatred. Unfortunate.

Social politics, maybe. That's a choice the league and its members will make.

Social engineering? By The Jews™?

Fake news? Feel like you just threw that in for **** and gigs. Maybe I missed the fake news. Maybe you are the fake news lol.

Division? Hatred? That's how Kyrie got into this kerfuffle. I don't believe Kyrie had malicious intent, but antisemitism spreads division and hatred by its very nature. At the end of the day, antisemitism is a form of racism. Idk why anyone would be looking for more racism in society. I can't march to that hot take.

Just to be clear, are you suggesting that calling out antisemitic materials and the people who spread them is oppressing Black people in this context? Are you claiming that Black people are the real victims in this situation?

Just to be clear.

[Tempe]

“If you want to know you rules over you, look at who you are not allowed to criticize”


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Strike: Anti-Semitic Trolling

[TheNewEra]

Personally would of never paid 500k for viewing a film that’s simply ridiculous. If they want to have a dialogue absolutely but if we are having that dialogue let’s have both sides talk it out about the differences and how they feel. If you can sit courtside then come to a sit down with the people that made the film.

[Stalwart]

Quite the illogical straw man.

This isn't an issue of free speech; Kyrie's speech isn't being restricted by the government. Kyrie is being held accountable by his corporate employer for spreading racist propaganda, and the weight of his own narcissism prevents him from being empathetic of his actions.

To me... his freedom of speech is being restricted for the simple fact that he is being pretty significantly punished.
One can debate what qualifies as restricting freedom of speech - is it imprisonment or de-platforming or something else. What matters IMO is that he's being significantly punished for his speech.
I'm not even condoning or promoting the content or message of the documentary but man... people are crucifying him. I think we take our freedoms for granted sometimes.

Exactly who is restricting his speech? His Twitter account is still up; he wasn't silenced by any entity, nor is he banned from speaking to the media.

It's mindboggling to me that we live in an era where people feel attacked if they’re held accountable for their actions.

Kyrie explained himself and stressed that he wasn't promoting hate or antisemitism. He just posted a link to an interesting documentary. He then stayed quiet and tried to move on. But then the "sports media" went on a witch hunt and whipped up a big controversy. They trashed Kyrie, the Brooklyn Nets, Adam Silver, and the NBA and pressured them to "do something". It got so bad that Kyrie and the Nets thought it was worth ONE MILLION DOLLARS to try and appease the crazed mob. Did it work? Nope. You guys are still trashing him.

And you're doing all this without being able to even explain what was antisemitic about the film or what Kyrie said. You are all being gaslit and radicalized.

[alebaba]

Aa an African American I support Kyries right to free speech and wish he did not apologize. By apologizing hes allowing the woke mob to escalate theyre book burning information
suppressing agendas that will hurt black people the most. Even after donating half a million dollars his critics are still trashing him ITT. It doesn't matter as they will hate him no matter what.

The NBA is now a grounds for social politics, social engineering, fake news, division, and hatred. Unfortunate.

It's not free speech when its about black people, right?