Report: Joshua Primo allegedly exposed himself to women

[Homerclease]

These situations are not remotely the same. Good grief. What a terrible post. Delete it and I will delete where I quoted you.

The crimes aren’t the same. The premise is. Pop is the spurs. To try to pull the wool over anyones eyes and say pop doesn’t know everything that goes on in his house is a laughable premise. The entire franchise tried to sweep it under the rug and got busted.

Good grief is right. Nothing in my post breaks terms of service and I’m not deleting it because you disagree with me

I'm not a mod of this forum. I'm not asking you to delete it as a mod, but as a friend.

It's a horrible take. I was trying to help you. But since you want to double down.....

Let me help just a little though. Sandusky reported to Paterno. There's a lot more wrong with your take, but this is an easy portion you can start with.

And Primo reports to Pop. Pop is an institution all in his own. He’s the closest thing the NBA has to a Nick Saban, coach K, Pitino, Calipari and on and on and on. They all are basically kings of their own fiefdom. If someone goes to HR about one of their players, they are going to know about it almost immediately. Now, maybe Pop left it up to the front office to actually deal with the problem and then they in turn dropped the ball, but to sit there and say Pop was sitting in a broom closet, oblivious to the misdeeds going on around him is disingenuous at best.

[Exp0sed]

Put yourself in the situation. You're a psych, you have a meeting with Primo on this schedule:

July 1: Meet with Primo, dick hanging out
July 15: Meet with Primo, dick hanging out
Aug 1: Meet with Primo, dick hanging out

Are you going to continue for another 6 sessions when you're uneasy and potentially in an unsafe environment? And inform nobody about it until you decide "You know what, the first 8 times I'm gonna let slide, but this 9th one..ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!"?

I believe her.

And this is weird.

And I keep rethinking about duty to warn. Isn't it aplicable in this case? IF so, then why weren't authorities outside of the team informed?

I just don't see how this is applicable. There was no imminent threat of violence. The scope of this must be limited or the entire field of psychology will be irreparably harmed. A significantly smaller portion of the population is going to seek help if they feel that what is said behind closed doors is no longer confidential.

This really isn't about Primo anymore. This is about how the Spurs mismanaged the situation. It's obvious at this point that the organization was not getting out in front of this, but rather that they went into damage control mode after the ramifications became clear. This is going to be about who knew what, when they knew it, and how they responded to what they knew.

Psychologists have to be made of sterner stuff than those of most other professions. Much like a social worker, soldier, or other types of physicians, you are going to see and hear things that will make you uncomfortable. None of us know what went on in her sessions with Primo, but we do know that it made her uncomfortable and that she tried to address the matter internally. At this point, it seems that her concerns were not addressed in a satisfactory way and ultimately they led to her losing her job. That is the crux of the issue.

Someone here is lying
IF it's true that she never told him anything about it directly and that's the claim he is making, then whats was the press release about his "trauma" all about? if it's just some kind of accident \ misunderstanding

I don't know whose lying, but both things can't be true

[BK_2020]

Gregg Popovich is not just the head coach. He is the Spurs president of basketball operations.

[CIN-C-STAR]

Exhibit 10,387 that the coverup always makes things 1,000 times worse. Stuff is going to happen at some point with every single team. Sweeping it under the rug is the worst possible option.

Popovich and Buford have conducted themselves honorably in this league for a long time so I will absolutely give them the benefit of the doubt. I will be shocked if they knew and looked the other way. But I never would have guessed Paterno would end up like he did so that’s not irrevocable.

I’m wondering if Wright will keep his job. I’m sure this might not be a huge deal to some, but how do you trust this guy’s judgment after this? And that’s pretty much the most important part of his job, making good decisions. If Pop and Buford were indeed unaware, I’m f’ing livid with this guy.

Agreed. I see no scenario in which Wright didn't, at a minimum, make massive lapses in judgment, and I am already disappointed he is still with the team.
He should have been shown the door immediately after Primo. Time to accept that mistakes were made and make changes. This is bigger than basketball.

[TheNewEra]

Pop is about to catch massive hell for the new report. Damn they actually sat on this information for that long. The next big scandal is always around the corner.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

Hard to believe Pop didn’t know any of this was going on. If he didn’t, then he sucks at his job. At the very least, he should be firing whoever it was that kept this a secret from him.

Spoiler:

He won’t though, because he probably knew about it.

[BK_2020]

Pop's legacy when all's said and done amounts to Primo's pop-sicle.

[G R E Y]

Duty to warn is not what you think is. Please stop.

If so, I'd like to understand better why. Yesterday a poster who is a psychologist expanded on it and there are nuances to it and that he may need to consider its implications for himself.

In the mental health setting, sometimes the mental health professional comes upon a dilemma. They have a duty of confidentiality to their clients, but sometimes their clients reveal thoughts that suggest they may cause harm to others or themselves. States enact laws that give permission for mental health professionals to betray their duty of confidentiality to their clients to protect others or the client himself. Some states go further and make this reporting a mandatory duty. In most cases, this reporting duty is limited to imminent physical harm, like if your client says don't come to school tomorrow or says things suggesting he'll end his life.
This duty has pretty much jack to do with sexual harassment and it absolutely does not mean a mental health professional is required to endure predatory and abusive behavior towards her.

Thank you. The person who posted yesterday (I'll include a link when I find it) had some overlapping info to this, some not.

Absolutely agree with the bold part, and I meant triggering duty to warn (if applicable) to STOP having to be exposed repeatedly and to 'escalating' behaviour.

EDIT to add link: viewtopic.php?p=101957965#p101957965

[BK_2020]

If so, I'd like to understand better why. Yesterday a poster who is a psychologist expanded on it and there are nuances to it and that he may need to consider its implications for himself.

In the mental health setting, sometimes the mental health professional comes upon a dilemma. They have a duty of confidentiality to their clients, but sometimes their clients reveal thoughts that suggest they may cause harm to others or themselves. States enact laws that give permission for mental health professionals to betray their duty of confidentiality to their clients to protect others or the client himself. Some states go further and make this reporting a mandatory duty. In most cases, this reporting duty is limited to imminent physical harm, like if your client says don't come to school tomorrow or says things suggesting he'll end his life.
This duty has pretty much jack to do with sexual harassment and it absolutely does not mean a mental health professional is required to endure predatory and abusive behavior towards her.

Thank you. The person who posted yesterday (I'll include a link when I find it) had some overlapping info to this, some not.

Absolutely agree with the bold part, and I meant triggering duty to warn (if applicable) to STOP having to be exposed repeatedly and to 'escalating' behaviour.

The duty to prevent sexual harassment and sex discrimination is on the organization. Once the employee reports the incident, the organization has to investigate and take appropriate action. Not tell the employee oh it's just guys being guys, just let it slip this one time and keep it quiet.

[Homerclease]

Gregg Popovich is not just the head coach. He is the Spurs president of basketball operations.

And somehow had no knowledge that a team employee had gone to HR claiming that one of his players kept whipping out his crank on the regular.

[Xatticus]

Exhibit 10,387 that the coverup always makes things 1,000 times worse. Stuff is going to happen at some point with every single team. Sweeping it under the rug is the worst possible option.

Popovich and Buford have conducted themselves honorably in this league for a long time so I will absolutely give them the benefit of the doubt. I will be shocked if they knew and looked the other way. But I never would have guessed Paterno would end up like he did so that’s not irrevocable.

I’m wondering if Wright will keep his job. I’m sure this might not be a huge deal to some, but how do you trust this guy’s judgment after this? And that’s pretty much the most important part of his job, making good decisions. If Pop and Buford were indeed unaware, I’m f’ing livid with this guy.

I will say that I wasn't surprised by Paterno's complicity. I recall an Outside the Lines (I believe?) report a long time ago where the program hired someone specifically to deal with player issues. She said that Paterno fought her on everything and always defended his players with the argument that 'boys will be boys'.

I hold Popovich in much higher regard and I certainly hope that he doesn't get caught up in this.

[G R E Y]

In the mental health setting, sometimes the mental health professional comes upon a dilemma. They have a duty of confidentiality to their clients, but sometimes their clients reveal thoughts that suggest they may cause harm to others or themselves. States enact laws that give permission for mental health professionals to betray their duty of confidentiality to their clients to protect others or the client himself. Some states go further and make this reporting a mandatory duty. In most cases, this reporting duty is limited to imminent physical harm, like if your client says don't come to school tomorrow or says things suggesting he'll end his life.
This duty has pretty much jack to do with sexual harassment and it absolutely does not mean a mental health professional is required to endure predatory and abusive behavior towards her.

Thank you. The person who posted yesterday (I'll include a link when I find it) had some overlapping info to this, some not.

Absolutely agree with the bold part, and I meant triggering duty to warn (if applicable) to STOP having to be exposed repeatedly and to 'escalating' behaviour.

The duty to prevent sexual harassment and sex discrimination is on the organization. Once the employee reports the incident, the organization has to investigate and take appropriate action. Not tell the employee oh it's just guys being guys, just let it slip this one time and keep it quiet.

I'm not arguing against that. I agree. I was strictly focusing on channels of protection outside of the organization, rather those required by her profession, if applicable.

[gottamakeit]

Did anyone here listen to Dr. Hillary Cauthen and her attorney(Buzbee)'s press conference?
In in they expressed doubts that team mgmt. conveyed the situation to Pop

Everyone who is politically misaligned with Pop is coming out now for blood... smh

[BK_2020]

Did anyone here listen to Dr. Hillary Cauthen and her attorney(Buzbee)'s press conference?
In in they expressed doubts that team mgmt. conveyed the situation to Pop

It doesn't matter though. Pop is the boss. He is responsible for making the team management convey important things to him.

[gottamakeit]

Did anyone here listen to Dr. Hillary Cauthen and her attorney(Buzbee)'s press conference?
In in they expressed doubts that team mgmt. conveyed the situation to Pop

It doesn't matter though. Pop is the boss. He is responsible for making the team management convey important things to him.

Pop does basketball. They have other personnel for managing employees and contractors (like Dr. Cauthen).
Have you worked at any large sized company before? Company divisions operate within silos.

Sure, go ahead and make it about Pop. Shows how much you care about facts.

[Homerclease]

Did anyone here listen to Dr. Hillary Cauthen and her attorney(Buzbee)'s press conference?
In in they expressed doubts that team mgmt. conveyed the situation to Pop

It doesn't matter though. Pop is the boss. He is responsible for making the team management convey important things to him.

Right. The doc was likely never in the same room as Pop on this and they are free to doubt whether Pop ever knew about it at all. That doesn’t however absolve pop in the least bit. He almost certainly knew about it unbeknownst to Cauthen and her attorney

[Homerclease]

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[Swish1906]

That statement from Primo’s attorney is just making me upset. It’s so bad and doesn’t help the situation at all.

I understand advocating for your client, but nobody is their right mind is going to believe multiple wardrobe malfunctions at different times.

Good reminder that Primos attorney gives a s… if he did it or not. Did it on purpose or not. All he cares is what the other side can proof. Or not. That’s why he threw all this crap in the statement

[BK_2020]

Lol what do they mean "Allow the legal process to play out." Note to the Spurs organization, it's not up to you whether the legal process plays out or not.

[CIN-C-STAR]

Lol what do they mean "Allow the legal process to play out." Note to the Spurs organization, it's not up to you whether the legal process plays out or not.

I think they just meant they won't be making their case through the media, but rather in civil court when that time comes.