Kyrie donates $500K to organizations that fight hate. Adam Silver disappointed by Kyrie apology and plans to meet him

[ReddoverKobe]

Tbh it's a little shocking to learn that Amazon was the source of the content Kyrie linked to.
I just learned this from this thread and verified it.
Amazon has a much bigger platform and much more influence than Kyrie, and not only have they not apologized, but as of right now they are still renting the movie out and selling the book.
I didn't find anything about attempts to cancel Amazon, though. I suppose people like Amazon, whereas Kyrie can be cancelled without any personal sacrifice.

This is about Kyrie. If you want to start a thread about amazon I'm sure a lot of people would agree that they should not be platforming trash like this.

[Duffman100]

But who gets to determine what is right and what is wrong? Who gets decide who gets shunned and what is terrible?

I'll give you a great example:

Obese people.

When I was growing up, society shunned these people, and to be honest, rightfully so if you didn't have a medical condition. Now, Fat is Beautiful, and those people now control the narrative.

That's cool and all, but being over weight is still one of the biggest problems in the Western World, and is one of the leading causes in the tanking of the Health Care System. The amount of negatives that come from having a society that normalizes being overweight and unhealthy are well documented, backed up by science, and honestly should be looked down upon to incentive people to make better choices.

Overweight people are essentially smokers but with food, in how over eating effect health and the HCS, but only one of them gets hated in todays world. Only one of them gets the whip of society

So who gets to decide that Fat is Beautiful but Smoking is Toxic? Who gets to decide who's a trend setter and who's a bad apple that needs canceling?

I always find it funny when people bring up the Free Speech talking points, and then speak to the Majority Rules narrative. Majority Rules was the reason the founding fathers created the federal system of government (the greatest government achievement at the time), and the electoral collage. Not allowing the 51% to domineer over the 49% is literally the most America idea ever spoken.

Our education system needs significant improvement.

The problem is that calling people stupid is so frowned upon now that it discourages people learning. In my day, we'd make students wear a "Dunce cap" if they were dumb and their desire to excel at school followed. If that failed a good beating with a belt did the trick.

For me, I don't even mind 'stupid'. It's the irrational confidence to post something that is so... inane...on so many levels and completely lack self awareness.

[bisme37]

I've seen complaints that the mods haven't let people talk about this but this is the 4th thread on the subject and the 4th one where I left the house for like an hour and came back to a million reports from users who don't like what other people said.

Do we want to have this conversation or not? And how the heck are we supposed to moderate it lol?

It's a touchy subject and there's no way you're going to read such a thread and like or agree with every comment, guys.

[Domejandro]

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[Zeno]

I've seen complaints that the mods haven't let people talk about this but this is the 4th thread on the subject and the 4th one where I left the house for like an hour and came back to a million reports from users who don't like what other people said.

Do we want to have this conversation or not? And how the heck are we supposed to moderate it lol?

It's a touchy subject and there's no way you're going to read such a thread and like or agree with every comment, guys.

This is why I declined an offer to be one once. Thank you for service and good luck.

[Antinomy]

Tbh it's a little shocking to learn that Amazon was the source of the content Kyrie linked to.
I just learned this from this thread and verified it.
Amazon has a much bigger platform and much more influence than Kyrie, and not only have they not apologized, but as of right now they are still renting the movie out and selling the book.
I didn't find anything about attempts to cancel Amazon, though. I suppose people like Amazon, whereas Kyrie can be cancelled without any personal sacrifice.

It’s all a big show. The Oppressed Olympics.

“Oh my god!!! The millionaire basketball player shared an Amazon link without a caption! He’s antisemitic! He needs to apologize & give us money!”

None of these idiots were affected on a personal level. It’s just an attempt to dogpile on a guy they already don’t like.

Kyrie never said he agreed with EVERYthing the movie. Never said he agreed with ANYthing in the movie.

Social media has allowed people to center themselves & act like a person tweeting a random thought is a personal attack on them.

As of today, the movie & book are STILL on Amazon. They are STILL making a profit on it. It still has 1000s of reviews.

Meanwhile everyone in here is typing angry messages on their $1000 phones that were made from sweatshop labor.

I’m tired of the whining from all sides.

[Ben-N1ce]

Tbh it's a little shocking to learn that Amazon was the source of the content Kyrie linked to.
I just learned this from this thread and verified it.
Amazon has a much bigger platform and much more influence than Kyrie, and not only have they not apologized, but as of right now they are still renting the movie out and selling the book.
I didn't find anything about attempts to cancel Amazon, though. I suppose people like Amazon, whereas Kyrie can be cancelled without any personal sacrifice.

Gun stores fault for every person who died by their guns...

[shi-woo]

See, this is one of the biggest misconceptions about free speech..Freedom of speech doesnt mean freedom of consequences from said speech. Kyrie can say all he wants and technically no one can force him to stop. If the nba were to ban kyrie for life, he can still talk about and promote anti semitism for the rest of his life. If a business doesnt want someone giving a particular message on their platform, they have the right as a private business to restrict his usage. There is no oppression there. If kyrie wants to hire a bunch of software developers to create an app to promote anti-semitism, he is absolutely free to do so.

The NBA and its fans have the freedom to tolerate said speech or not and are within their rights to treat Kyrie accordingly.. It goes both ways. You have the freedom to say whatever you want to say, and I have the freedom to feel how I want to feel about your free speech.

Kyrie is free to exercise his rights, but so is everyone else including a business like the NBA. We are free to shun people who do or say terrible things, are we not?

But who gets to determine what is right and what is wrong? Who gets decide who gets shunned and what is terrible?

I'll give you a great example:

Obese people.

When I was growing up, society shunned these people, and to be honest, rightfully so if you didn't have a medical condition. Now, Fat is Beautiful, and those people now control the narrative.

That's cool and all, but being over weight is still one of the biggest problems in the Western World, and is one of the leading causes in the tanking of the Health Care System. The amount of negatives that come from having a society that normalizes being overweight and unhealthy are well documented, backed up by science, and honestly should be looked down upon to incentive people to make better choices.

Overweight people are essentially smokers but with food, in how over eating effect health and the HCS, but only one of them gets hated in todays world. Only one of them gets the whip of society

So who gets to decide that Fat is Beautiful but Smoking is Toxic? Who gets to decide who's a trend setter and who's a bad apple that needs canceling?

I always find it funny when people bring up the Free Speech talking points, and then speak to the Majority Rules narrative. Majority Rules was the reason the founding fathers created the federal system of government (the greatest government achievement at the time), and the electoral collage. Not allowing the 51% to domineer over the 49% is literally the most America idea ever spoken.

Now go yell bomb on a plane and see how that works out for ya

Honestly bringing up one of the most popular and litigated figures of speech was a lazy choice.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandenburg_v._Ohio

This has been debated ad nauseam, and the political science major in me just said a prayer for everyone who doesn't understand the point I was trying to make.

Calling a black man the N word and expecting nothing negative is not the same as stuffing your face with Micky D's 3xday/365 and expecting the world to call you sexy.

My point clearly went over a lot of people heads in this thread

The point to be clear, is who gets to say what is normal or not? And who gets to determine who is just ahead of their time, and who is just a radical?

I'll wait for a proper response

[Antinomy]

Watch on YouTube

But I'm not endorsing it.

Thanks for SHARING it with me.

OK, I'm definitely endorsing it, since you chose not to get that...

Thank you for SAYING you endorse it.

Do you see where I’m getting at?

[shi-woo]

Our education system needs significant improvement.

The problem is that calling people stupid is so frowned upon now that it discourages people learning. In my day, we'd make students wear a "Dunce cap" if they were dumb and their desire to excel at school followed. If that failed a good beating with a belt did the trick.

For me, I don't even mind 'stupid'. It's the irrational confidence to post something that is so... inane...on so many levels and completely lack self awareness.

Educate me Duffman, please, show me the light instead of saying nothing

[Duffman100]

I’m tired of the whining from all sides.

Over the past few years, the US has seen a rise in antisemitic incidents, with 941 incidents in 2015 jumping to 2,717 tracked in 2021 by the Anti-Defamation League. On Thursday, the ADL said it was working with the FBI to address the credible threat and advised synagogues and Jewish organizations to “remain calm and in heightened state of alert.”

The "whining" is for a distinct reason. History has shown when times are hard, for some weird reason, Jewish people start to see the brunt of it.

People like Kanye and Kyrie who have large bases of people who follow them and listen to influence these situations. It's a math game. The more they share, the more a % of their fans click through, the more a % of that % starts going down a rabbit hole of racist / anti semitic crap.

[BBallFreak]

Thanks for SHARING it with me.

OK, I'm definitely endorsing it, since you chose not to get that...

Thank you for SAYING you endorse it.

Do you see where I’m getting at?

No, because it's preposterous. The fact that I was sharing the video obviously meant I was endorsing it in your regard. Every rational person here knew that. I think even you knew that, and I'm questioning your rationality at this point in time.

[Duffman100]

The problem is that calling people stupid is so frowned upon now that it discourages people learning. In my day, we'd make students wear a "Dunce cap" if they were dumb and their desire to excel at school followed. If that failed a good beating with a belt did the trick.

For me, I don't even mind 'stupid'. It's the irrational confidence to post something that is so... inane...on so many levels and completely lack self awareness.

Educate me Duffman, please, show me the light instead of saying nothing

Nope I'm good.

[realball]

Honestly bringing up one of the most popular and litigated figures of speech was a lazy choice.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandenburg_v._Ohio

This has been debated ad nauseam, and the political science major in me just said a prayer for everyone who doesn't understand the point I was trying to make.

Calling a black man the N word and expecting nothing negative is not the same as stuffing your face with Micky D's 3xday/365 and expecting the world to call you sexy.

My point clearly went over a lot of people heads in this thread

The point to be clear, is who gets to say what is normal or not? And who gets to determine who is just ahead of their time, and who is just a radical?

I'll wait for a proper response

Who is expecting you to call fat people sexy? You think some tweets and tv commercials means your freedom of speech is being taken away? What a victim complex.

[ShootersShoot]

To me... his freedom of speech is being restricted for the simple fact that he is being pretty significantly punished.
One can debate what qualifies as restricting freedom of speech - is it imprisonment or de-platforming or something else. What matters IMO is that he's being significantly punished for his speech.
I'm not even condoning or promoting the content or message of the documentary but man... people are crucifying him. I think we take our freedoms for granted sometimes.

See, this is one of the biggest misconceptions about free speech..Freedom of speech doesnt mean freedom of consequences from said speech. Kyrie can say all he wants and technically no one can force him to stop. If the nba were to ban kyrie for life, he can still talk about and promote anti semitism for the rest of his life. If a business doesnt want someone giving a particular message on their platform, they have the right as a private business to restrict his usage. There is no oppression there. If kyrie wants to hire a bunch of software developers to create an app to promote anti-semitism, he is absolutely free to do so.

The NBA and its fans have the freedom to tolerate said speech or not and are within their rights to treat Kyrie accordingly.. It goes both ways. You have the freedom to say whatever you want to say, and I have the freedom to feel how I want to feel about your free speech.

Kyrie is free to exercise his rights, but so is everyone else including a business like the NBA. We are free to shun people who do or say terrible things, are we not?

But who gets to determine what is right and what is wrong? Who gets decide who gets shunned and what is terrible?

I'll give you a great example:

Obese people.

When I was growing up, society shunned these people, and to be honest, rightfully so if you didn't have a medical condition. Now, Fat is Beautiful, and those people now control the narrative.

That's cool and all, but being over weight is still one of the biggest problems in the Western World, and is one of the leading causes in the tanking of the Health Care System. The amount of negatives that come from having a society that normalizes being overweight and unhealthy are well documented, backed up by science, and honestly should be looked down upon to incentive people to make better choices.

Overweight people are essentially smokers but with food, in how over eating effect health and the HCS, but only one of them gets hated in todays world. Only one of them gets the whip of society

So who gets to decide that Fat is Beautiful but Smoking is Toxic? Who gets to decide who's a trend setter and who's a bad apple that needs canceling?

I always find it funny when people bring up the Free Speech talking points, and then speak to the Majority Rules narrative. Majority Rules was the reason the founding fathers created the federal system of government (the greatest government achievement at the time), and the electoral collage. Not allowing the 51% to domineer over the 49% is literally the most America idea ever spoken.

We as individuals get to decide. That is why we have people who defend kyrie, and those who condemn him. It just seems like there is an overwhelming majority who may disagree with kyrie for example. I get there are people who are easily influenced and manipulated but at the end of the day the individual gets to decide. If many individuals decide one viewpoint, it seems like mob mentality but its basically a bunch of people agreeing with each other to create a stronger voice.

Back when you were younger, people had different viewpoints and perspectives. We as a society and as humans have evolved our way of thinking and will continue to do so as time progresses. Remember in the USA when women couldnt vote, black people couldnt ride on the front of the bus, and being gay was a crime? Those ways of thinking were widely accepted, but as more individuals came forward with their freedom of expression and voice, our way of thinking about these subjects change based on the exchange of ideas and ideals.

[Ben-N1ce]

It's crazy to me that people think freedom of speech = free of consequences. You can think or say what you want but If someone checks you or disagrees...deal with it.

[Duffman100]

It's crazy to me that people think freedom of speech = free of consequences. You can think or say what you want but If someone checks you or disagrees...deal with it.

And if then people don't want to buy your product, buy a product you're associated with, etc etc, that's THEIR FREEDOM.

If you lose money... well... too bad?

[Antinomy]

OK, I'm definitely endorsing it, since you chose not to get that...

Thank you for SAYING you endorse it.

Do you see where I’m getting at?

No, because it's preposterous. The fact that I was sharing the video obviously meant I was endorsing it in your regard. Every rational person here knew that. I think even you knew that, and I'm questioning your rationality at this point in time.

What do you mean by ‘in my regard’?

Again. You don’t know the definition of endorse.

Saying you “ENDORSE” something has a very *specific* connotation & meaning.

[shi-woo]

Honestly bringing up one of the most popular and litigated figures of speech was a lazy choice.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandenburg_v._Ohio

This has been debated ad nauseam, and the political science major in me just said a prayer for everyone who doesn't understand the point I was trying to make.

Calling a black man the N word and expecting nothing negative is not the same as stuffing your face with Micky D's 3xday/365 and expecting the world to call you sexy.

My point clearly went over a lot of people heads in this thread

The point to be clear, is who gets to say what is normal or not? And who gets to determine who is just ahead of their time, and who is just a radical?

I'll wait for a proper response

Who is expecting you to call fat people sexy? You think some tweets and tv commercials means your freedom of speech is being taken away? What a victim complex.

My posts had absolutely nothing to do with the actual act of freedom of speech, and were more about what society normalizes and how it can change over time. Thus begging the question, who/how to we determine what is right/wrong in a society?

I get I probably hurt some feels by bringing up being overweight, but the idea is still one worth being taken seriously and worth being discussed even if you don't like the analogy I used (which is fine, I know I'm not the best at communicating my ideas and I'll take that on the chin).

I'm still waiting on an actual response to that original question

[Big Lob]

Its always interesting as on the one hand, you had that notion, 'shut up and dribble' then on the other hand, the social justice/woke push by the NBA, then the China blind spot, and now it seems like early in this season one after the other, just bad press for the NBA based on player actions. You work for a team which is apart of a sports league, you can't just do and say what you want without a reaction. You are apart of the league branding.

This is the danger of thinking we need to know every opinion some celeb/athlete has. We end up eventually with something ill founded and offensive.