Ben Simmons is becoming the biggest liability in NBA history

OfficialRef · Post #41 » by **OfficialRef** » Sun Oct 30, 2022 2:13 am

On ball defense doesn't matter as much in the NBA as much, especially when you play in a **** defensive system like this where every small screen requires a switch for some odd reason.

But even so, Simmons has proven time and time to be a mediocre- and even bad defender. He can't keep his man in front of him, is prone to fouling non-stop with bizarre fouls, and can't grab a rebound like other players 6'10+ can. And thats not even talking about his offense which is another post on it's own.

I think the Nets made a mistake plugging him in the starting lineup right away. He was a good player in Philly but since then is obviously dealing with some trauma and has a lost step in his absence. It would be best to have him off the bench as a 15+ minute player and slowly ramp up his minutes. If he cares and works hard he should easily become a full fledged starter by February. Otherwise we know he was never it.

Marvin Martian · Post #42 » by **Marvin Martian** » Sun Oct 30, 2022 2:29 am

OfficialRef wrote:On ball defense doesn't matter as much in the NBA as much, especially when you play in a **** defensive system like this where every small screen requires a switch for some odd reason.

But even so, Simmons has proven time and time to be a mediocre- and even bad defender. He can't keep his man in front of him, is prone to fouling non-stop with bizarre fouls, and can't grab a rebound like other players 6'10+ can. And thats not even talking about his offense which is another post on it's own.

I think the Nets made a mistake plugging him in the starting lineup right away. He was a good player in Philly but since then is obviously dealing with some trauma and has a lost step in his absence. It would be best to have him off the bench as a 15+ minute player and slowly ramp up his minutes. If he cares and works hard he should easily become a full fledged starter by February. Otherwise we know he was never it.

The Nets need to stop coddling Simmons. PHI tried that already and it didn't work. Don't even give him 15 mins. Make him earn his time. If he makes a stupid mistake on either end, bench him immediately. Treat him like Dlo when he was here. There is nothing to lose at this point

NetsJets · Post #43 » by **NetsJets** » Sun Oct 30, 2022 3:23 am

This Kyrie presser is going to be replayed a ton smh

Jay555 · Post #44 » by **Jay555** » Sun Oct 30, 2022 3:31 am

What did he say?

NetsJets · Post #45 » by **NetsJets** » Sun Oct 30, 2022 3:39 am

Jay555 wrote:What did he say?

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Jay555 · Post #46 » by **Jay555** » Sun Oct 30, 2022 3:46 am

NetsJets wrote:
Jay555 wrote:What did he say?

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SMH

JoseRizal · Post #47 » by **JoseRizal** » Sun Oct 30, 2022 4:27 am

NetsJets wrote:
Jay555 wrote:What did he say?

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They have a history. Nick being a 9ick again and Kyrie falling for it. It was a frustrating evening...

Decipher · Post #48 » by **Decipher** » Sun Oct 30, 2022 6:37 am

OfficialRef wrote:On ball defense doesn't matter as much in the NBA as much, especially when you play in a **** defensive system like this where every small screen requires a switch for some odd reason.

But even so, Simmons has proven time and time to be a mediocre- and even bad defender. He can't keep his man in front of him, is prone to fouling non-stop with bizarre fouls, and can't grab a rebound like other players 6'10+ can. And thats not even talking about his offense which is another post on it's own.

I think the Nets made a mistake plugging him in the starting lineup right away. He was a good player in Philly but since then is obviously dealing with some trauma and has a lost step in his absence. It would be best to have him off the bench as a 15+ minute player and slowly ramp up his minutes. If he cares and works hard he should easily become a full fledged starter by February. Otherwise we know he was never it.

Simmons WAS the best man on man defender in the NBA

He isnt healthy & that's a major problem for a guy who relies on athleticism

Hope that I am wrong but he looks shot

spikeslovechild · Post #49 » by **spikeslovechild** » Fri Nov 4, 2022 9:13 pm

GTR11 wrote:
spikeslovechild wrote:
GTR11 wrote:

This typical duh nix trade. If you want Westbrick so bad yo got enough to get him.

It's not about brick it's about the two first rounders. It would free up assets and create cap space with two expiring coming back. I guess we will see what happens the Nets can still turn it around but if they do decide to tear it down what would you expect Kyrie to fetch? Is unloading Simmons plus getting two firsts not worth Kyrie?

I dunno you tell me. What does tearing down the roster look like to you guys and what are you expecting to get in return?

1. Kyrie alone was fetching 2 unprotected 1st rounders. If you don't know it ask before coming here with that crap.
2. KD/Kyrie will get us JB, fillers and 6 picks for Fakers and Saltics. That's what we still have on the table right now.

I still can't believe you would have said no to this deal. Two first rounders plus getting from under Simmons contract would have been great for you guys.

I think you are going to have a rude awakening once you see what Kyrie is actually traded for.

MrDollarBills · Post #50 » by **MrDollarBills** » Mon Nov 7, 2022 5:22 pm

Ben is playing vs Dallas

Claud · Post #51 » by **Claud** » Wed Nov 9, 2022 1:18 am

Liability on offense + foul machine on D.

Can't have 2 nonshooters in todays NBA + Claxton is miles better already.

Another L for Marks.

The Harden trade was the first mistake, but he compounded it by trading Harden for Simmons/Curry/dre/pick.

We gave up a lot of good players plus tons of picks in order to get Simmons at the end smh.

gigantes · Post #52 » by **gigantes** » Wed Nov 9, 2022 7:10 am

Claud wrote:Liability on offense + foul machine on D.

Can't have 2 nonshooters in todays NBA + Claxton is miles better already.

Another L for Marks.

The Harden trade was the first mistake, but he compounded it by trading Harden for Simmons/Curry/dre/pick.

We gave up a lot of good players plus tons of picks in order to get Simmons at the end smh.

No personal offense intended, but this is an argument that seems to make some sense in hindsight, but omits a massive amount of context. So much so that it's a deeply flawed, unfair argument IMO.

The reality is that the Harden trade was a gamble that made all too much sense for a team built to win a championship. While it was indeed an overpay IMO, it brought in a guy who turned the offense in to an historic juggernaut, and if the pandemic hadn't occurred (with stars missing time and Nash reacting by overplaying Harden), the Nets were a strong contender for the title for that season and likely the next.

To be clear-- I don't mean a pre-season favorite; I mean a pre-playoffs favorite.

Most teams would be happy to do that deal, even as an overpay. That's how it works for a two-year (possibly longer) window as a strong title contender.

It's also borderline surreal to think that Marks targeted Simmons when Harden wanted out. The unfortunate reality is that Simmons & filler was by far the most any team was willing to give for an incredibly-pricey half-year rental of a guy who looked like he was falling off fast. In fact, Morey massively bailed Marks out on that one, because we were looking at losing Harden for nothing or else doing a disastrous overpay.

This stuff isn't a loss for Marks, but a loss for the Nets due to a wild series of events caused by something which usually happens once in a hundred years. You can also thank the legion of anti-mandate, anti-vaxx dumbasses who gave Kyrie an audience he never deserved in a sane world. Part of the reason I say that is because the population in 1920 responded far more smartly to the pandemic from what I've understand. The proportion of people who played stupid games, risked their lives, and perpetuated the disease was evidently much smaller compared to us moderns.

If Marks made a singular mistake, it was rolling with Kyrie & Durant, which again most GM's would have done.

MrDollarBills · Post #53 » by **MrDollarBills** » Wed Nov 9, 2022 1:49 pm

Claud wrote:Liability on offense + foul machine on D.

Can't have 2 nonshooters in todays NBA + Claxton is miles better already.

Another L for Marks.

The Harden trade was the first mistake, but he compounded it by trading Harden for Simmons/Curry/dre/pick.

We gave up a lot of good players plus tons of picks in order to get Simmons at the end smh.

Yeah hindsight is 20/20 but all of this has gone terribly wrong.

GTR11 · Post #54 » by **GTR11** » Sun Nov 13, 2022 8:13 pm

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I'm going to start sipping 6 pck come boys game. Not sure how you guys feel, but I'm starting to count time. My verdict on Ben after 3 games was " he ain't build for NYC ". Sadly times keep proving me right.

sashaturiaf · Post #55 » by **sashaturiaf** » Sun Nov 13, 2022 11:04 pm

Lakers are terrible , this is a good game for Ben to assert himself and develop some confidence

Come on Ben give us 10 points

Stone · Post #56 » by **Stone** » Mon Nov 14, 2022 1:11 am

After missing an entire season and coming off a serious injury and surgery...I am willing to give Ben plenty of more time to get right. We know what his potential is if he can put it all back together and that is worth waiting for. In the meantime, having Ben come off the bench and limiting his time on the floor with Claxton is the right corse of action at the moment.

MrDollarBills · Post #57 » by **MrDollarBills** » Wed Nov 16, 2022 3:08 pm

Shams is reporting that the team is getting frustrated with Ben in regards to his availability. Simmons says his knee is a continuing issue.

This entire situation is toxic. KD, Kyrie, Ben...all of this needs to end.

Post #58 » by **NyCeEvO** » Wed Nov 16, 2022 3:39 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:Shams is reporting that the team is getting frustrated with Ben in regards to his availability. Simmons says his knee is a continuing issue.

This entire situation is toxic. KD, Kyrie, Ben...all of this needs to end.

I'd believe it if Woj was reporting it, since he clearly has a relationship with the Nets front office, as well as most other front offices in the league.

Shams has a relationship with players. Maybe there could be some players who feel a certain way about Ben. I remember seeing a game clip of Kyrie yelling at Ben to shoot when he passed to Ben in the paint, but Ben passed it back out. Maybe Kyrie/Kyrie's camp is putting that out there.

But this is all pure speculation. The problem being a team with filled with drama is that reporters can make up or run a story with little evidence, but it would pick up steam because such a story would be 'on brand' for the Nets even it's actually false (e.g. Rich Bucher claiming Ben left a group chat at the end of last season).

NetsWorld · Post #59 » by **NetsWorld** » Wed Nov 16, 2022 3:50 pm

NyCeEvO wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:Shams is reporting that the team is getting frustrated with Ben in regards to his availability. Simmons says his knee is a continuing issue.

This entire situation is toxic. KD, Kyrie, Ben...all of this needs to end.

I'd believe it if Woj was reporting it, since he clearly has a relationship with the Nets front office, as well as most other front offices in the league.

Shams has a relationship with players. Maybe there could be some players who feel a certain way about Ben. I remember seeing a game clip of Kyrie yelling at Ben to shoot when he passed to Ben in the paint, but Ben passed it back out. Maybe Kyrie/Kyrie's camp is putting that out there.

But this is all pure speculation. The problem being a team with filled with drama is that reporters can make up or run a story with little evidence, but it would pick up steam because such a story would be 'on brand' for the Nets even it's actually false (e.g. Rich Bucher claiming Ben left a group chat at the end of last season).

Come to think of it, this is plausible. This could very well be Kyrie’s camp leaking info to try and create friction and divide between the Nets current active players. Kyrie is definitely manipulative and his track record proves it.

Riconet · Post #60 » by **Riconet** » Wed Nov 16, 2022 7:29 pm

I believe it 100%. How could they not be frustrated? Simmons was the main asset the Nets received in exchange for Harden (who was playing pretty well before his latest fat-guy injury), and they thought he was going to fill a major role -- point guard plus major defensive force. Instead he's JAG who's injured all the time.

The most likely outcome IMHO is that they pay someone to take him next summer as part of the rebuild.