Re: Trade Talk (Part Eleven): 2022 Offseason Edition

[winforlose]

Again, you guys do realize we don’t own our pick this year. Who are you gonna replace Prince with, or Anderson. This move doesn’t leave a lot of money to play with. That problem will also exist next year. You lose the salary slot for nothing, you lose 3 rotation players for an inferior player with a toxic attitude who will likely rub off on Ant (Ant already has a ball hog and ignore the coach mentality.) All so we can ditch Dlo. Dlo in a good night was a life saver last year. Hell he pretty much bailed out KAT in the play in game. You really want to sabotage the team 8 games into the season with 3 unprotected picks, a unprotected swap, and a top 5 protected pick hanging over our heads in 5 of the next seven years? My God you must hate Dlo if your willing to gut our bench for the Lakers 27 and 29 picks.

Not that the trade would happen but Gobert, Towns, Ant, Jaden, Mclaughlin, Minott, and Moore are signed for about 100 million next season if the salary cap is 134 million next year you would have about 34 million if you renounced Westbrook, Nowell, and Prince. If you dumped Minott and Moore off on teams for nothing you could have about 37 million in cap space next summer. I believe after using up that 37 million you can also use the mle after that. Of course signing another huge contract this Summer would make the luxury tax bills in a few years very high.

So now your paper thin and competing in a terrible free agent market. This cannot seem appealing to you?

[TimberKat]

Maybe it's time for a DLo for Westbrook trade to protect the salary slot.

Dlo for Westbrook means that we lose the salary slot and then some. First, Dlo is making 31 and Westbrook 47.

To protect the salary slot means to pay one or more players the same money Dlo would be making next year. This is how we can operate above the cap but under the hard cap (unless we bypass the hard cap next year,) next year. If you still have questions I can try and explain it better. Though I did lay it out pretty well in one of the threads.

I was afraid someone was going to tell me the salary won't work. However, looks like others have similar idea. Maybe we need a
Real GM to figure this out
If Westbrook doesn't work, what about DLo for Klay Thompson to help GSW dump next year's salary?
I don't think DLo for Kyrie is a good idea now that we found the straw that broke Kyrie's back. I think Nets will suspend him for the rest of the season so they don't have to paid him.

[winforlose]

Maybe it's time for a DLo for Westbrook trade to protect the salary slot.

Dlo for Westbrook means that we lose the salary slot and then some. First, Dlo is making 31 and Westbrook 47.

To protect the salary slot means to pay one or more players the same money Dlo would be making next year. This is how we can operate above the cap but under the hard cap (unless we bypass the hard cap next year,) next year. If you still have questions I can try and explain it better. Though I did lay it out pretty well in one of the threads.

I was afraid someone was going to tell me the salary won't work. However, looks like others have similar idea. Maybe we need a
Real GM to figure this out
If Westbrook doesn't work, what about DLo for Klay Thompson to help GSW dump next year's salary?
I don't think DLo for Kyrie is a good idea now that we found the straw that broke Kyrie's back. I think Nets will suspend him for the rest of the season so they don't have to paid him.

They will instead trade him to LAL for 2 firsts and RW. LAL doesn’t care how messed up Kyrie is. Also, Klay makes 40. That means Dlo plus Prince or Anderson. I don’t see this as being worthwhile for us. Klay is a bad fit and has injury concerns right now. Plus I doubt GSW moves Klay for salary relief. There fans would go nuts breaking up the splash brothers for anything less than a clear upgrade.

[Godaddycurse]

Again, you guys do realize we don’t own our pick this year. Who are you gonna replace Prince with, or Anderson. This move doesn’t leave a lot of money to play with. That problem will also exist next year. You lose the salary slot for nothing, you lose 3 rotation players for an inferior player with a toxic attitude who will likely rub off on Ant (Ant already has a ball hog and ignore the coach mentality.) All so we can ditch Dlo. Dlo in a good night was a life saver last year. Hell he pretty much bailed out KAT in the play in game. You really want to sabotage the team 8 games into the season with 3 unprotected picks, a unprotected swap, and a top 5 protected pick hanging over our heads in 5 of the next seven years? My God you must hate Dlo if your willing to gut our bench for the Lakers 27 and 29 picks.

Not that the trade would happen but Gobert, Towns, Ant, Jaden, Mclaughlin, Minott, and Moore are signed for about 100 million next season if the salary cap is 134 million next year you would have about 34 million if you renounced Westbrook, Nowell, and Prince. If you dumped Minott and Moore off on teams for nothing you could have about 37 million in cap space next summer. I believe after using up that 37 million you can also use the mle after that. Of course signing another huge contract this Summer would make the luxury tax bills in a few years very high.

So now your paper thin and competing in a terrible free agent market. This cannot seem appealing to you?

A) there are capholds for remaining space (about 1M per spot). Dumping minott and moore only add about 1-2M extra space
B) you only get room exception after using cap space (like 4-5M), not MLE

You would have about 26M space, not 34 if my math is right

[twolves31]

Again, you guys do realize we don’t own our pick this year. Who are you gonna replace Prince with, or Anderson. This move doesn’t leave a lot of money to play with. That problem will also exist next year. You lose the salary slot for nothing, you lose 3 rotation players for an inferior player with a toxic attitude who will likely rub off on Ant (Ant already has a ball hog and ignore the coach mentality.) All so we can ditch Dlo. Dlo in a good night was a life saver last year. Hell he pretty much bailed out KAT in the play in game. You really want to sabotage the team 8 games into the season with 3 unprotected picks, a unprotected swap, and a top 5 protected pick hanging over our heads in 5 of the next seven years? My God you must hate Dlo if your willing to gut our bench for the Lakers 27 and 29 picks.

Not that the trade would happen but Gobert, Towns, Ant, Jaden, Mclaughlin, Minott, and Moore are signed for about 100 million next season if the salary cap is 134 million next year you would have about 34 million if you renounced Westbrook, Nowell, and Prince. If you dumped Minott and Moore off on teams for nothing you could have about 37 million in cap space next summer. I believe after using up that 37 million you can also use the mle after that. Of course signing another huge contract this Summer would make the luxury tax bills in a few years very high.

So now your paper thin and competing in a terrible free agent market. This cannot seem appealing to you?

Yes it would leave you paper thin this year, losing both slow mo and Prince. I don't think we keep either Nowell or Reid next season so not a huge loss there, the coach don't seem to value Reid, and Nowell takes terrible shot after terrible shot. I didn't say I would do it, I just said it would leave money next summer, where you said it doesn't leave a lot of money to play with. Prince would ultimately be the only real loss in this hypothetical.

[winforlose]

Not that the trade would happen but Gobert, Towns, Ant, Jaden, Mclaughlin, Minott, and Moore are signed for about 100 million next season if the salary cap is 134 million next year you would have about 34 million if you renounced Westbrook, Nowell, and Prince. If you dumped Minott and Moore off on teams for nothing you could have about 37 million in cap space next summer. I believe after using up that 37 million you can also use the mle after that. Of course signing another huge contract this Summer would make the luxury tax bills in a few years very high.

So now your paper thin and competing in a terrible free agent market. This cannot seem appealing to you?

Yes it would leave you paper thin this year, losing both slow mo and Prince. I don't think we keep either Nowell or Reid next season so not a huge loss there, the coach don't seem to value Reid, and Nowell takes terrible shot after terrible shot. I didn't say I would do it, I just said it would leave money next summer, where you said it doesn't leave a lot of money to play with. Prince would ultimately be the only real loss in this hypothetical.

Minott has potential, Moore might make a decent backup, Anderson has only played 3 games, let him find his rhythm and conditioning. Dlo isn’t that bad. Granted he has been a problem for the first 10% of the season, but plenty of decent players are struggling. Naz is likely to be traded at the deadline for value, and Nowell is gonna be 6th man of the year. Wait and see. The only way for a team with KAT and Rudy on super maxes and Ant on a rookie max to move forward is as a tax team. That means bird rights are like gold. Giving away most of them for space is antithetical to our future plans. Anderson and Prince will likely be resigned next year or traded before their 2nd year expires if they won’t resign. You need to shift your mindset from under the tax to over the tax for the next 5-7 years. Obviously we will try and avoid it this year for repeater purposes, and the TH deal will help, but try to see the long game.

[Devilzsidewalk]

I'd do DLO for Ben in a heartbeat, most are down on Ben, but I still believe he is an amazing player.

The spacing would be a nightmare, though.

The spacing would truly be something to behold wouldn't it. I'm curious if you could even play him at all with Gobert. I think I'd do it though. It'd be like buying a Bitcoin for 15 thousand. You could have zero faith in the crypto market, and even think it's all bull smoke and mirrors, but still a very solid chance you end up exponentially improving your investment if you're willing to accept the risk and ride it out.

Granted, I'm not the one that would have to pay him 35 mil a year. If it'd help Lore and A-Rod, I'm willing to purchase a bottle of Land & Lore facial cleanser if they make the trade.

[TimberKat]

I'd do DLO for Ben in a heartbeat, most are down on Ben, but I still believe he is an amazing player.

The spacing would be a nightmare, though.

The spacing would truly be something to behold wouldn't it. I'm curious if you could even play him at all with Gobert. I think I'd do it though. It'd be like buying a Bitcoin for 15 thousand. You could have zero faith in the crypto market, and even think it's all bull smoke and mirrors, but still a very solid chance you end up exponentially improving your investment if you're willing to accept the risk and ride it out.

Granted, I'm not the one that would have to pay him 35 mil a year. If it'd help Lore and A-Rod, I'm willing to purchase a bottle of Land & Lore facial cleanser if they make the trade.

Simmons is a glorified Vanderbilt and is a great fit for the style Wolves played last year. We would have to trade Gobert for some shooting, maybe to the Clippers for Powell, Zubac, Covington

[Domejandro]

If Minnesota didn't have Rudy Gobert, trading D'Angelo Russell for Ben Simmons would be a very solid gamble. That said, I think the team's spacing is already brutal enough.

Then again... Ben Simmons, Jaden McDaniels, AND Rudy Gobert? Dear Lord.

[Domejandro]

I'd do DLO for Ben in a heartbeat, most are down on Ben, but I still believe he is an amazing player.

The spacing would be a nightmare, though.

The spacing would truly be something to behold wouldn't it. I'm curious if you could even play him at all with Gobert. I think I'd do it though. It'd be like buying a Bitcoin for 15 thousand. You could have zero faith in the crypto market, and even think it's all bull smoke and mirrors, but still a very solid chance you end up exponentially improving your investment if you're willing to accept the risk and ride it out.

Granted, I'm not the one that would have to pay him 35 mil a year. If it'd help Lore and A-Rod, I'm willing to purchase a bottle of Land & Lore facial cleanser if they make the trade.

Simmons is a glorified Vanderbilt and is a great fit for the style Wolves played last year. We would have to trade Gobert for some shooting, maybe to the Clippers for Powell, Zubac, Covington

Rudy Gobert for Norman Powell, Ivica Zubac, and Robert Covington?

[winforlose]

If Minnesota didn't have Rudy Gobert, trading D'Angelo Russell for Ben Simmons would be a very solid gamble. That said, I think the team's spacing is already brutal enough.

Then again... Ben Simmons, Jaden McDaniels, AND Rudy Gobert? Dear Lord.

Your talking peak Simmons. This Simmons is a head case with multiple injury issues. Just today he had his knee drained (after needing an MRI). His scoring is down, his defense is not up to snuff, and his contract is like concrete shoes at the water’s edge.

[Domejandro]

If Minnesota didn't have Rudy Gobert, trading D'Angelo Russell for Ben Simmons would be a very solid gamble. That said, I think the team's spacing is already brutal enough.

Then again... Ben Simmons, Jaden McDaniels, AND Rudy Gobert? Dear Lord.

Your talking peak Simmons. This Simmons is a head case with multiple injury issues. Just today he had his knee drained (after needing an MRI). His scoring is down, his defense is not up to snuff, and his contract is like concrete shoes at the water’s edge.

I've (unfortunately) watched quite a few Brooklyn games. Overall, he was playing fine for someone coming off of back surgery and not playing for two years. The only major differences are: the rust was making him exceptionally prone to fouling and his finishing around the basket has been a bit off. I would expect those to be two things that will likely be ironed out as he gets readjusted, the other parts of his game were still very solid.

That said, I just don't think the fit is there with Gobert, McDaniels, and Edwards. Would be a disaster, spacing wise.

[TimberKat]

The spacing would truly be something to behold wouldn't it. I'm curious if you could even play him at all with Gobert. I think I'd do it though. It'd be like buying a Bitcoin for 15 thousand. You could have zero faith in the crypto market, and even think it's all bull smoke and mirrors, but still a very solid chance you end up exponentially improving your investment if you're willing to accept the risk and ride it out.

Granted, I'm not the one that would have to pay him 35 mil a year. If it'd help Lore and A-Rod, I'm willing to purchase a bottle of Land & Lore facial cleanser if they make the trade.

Simmons is a glorified Vanderbilt and is a great fit for the style Wolves played last year. We would have to trade Gobert for some shooting, maybe to the Clippers for Powell, Zubac, Covington

Rudy Gobert for Norman Powell, Ivica Zubac, and Robert Covington?

Oh come on! It's not that bad

[winforlose]

Simmons is a glorified Vanderbilt and is a great fit for the style Wolves played last year. We would have to trade Gobert for some shooting, maybe to the Clippers for Powell, Zubac, Covington

Rudy Gobert for Norman Powell, Ivica Zubac, and Robert Covington?

Oh come on! It's not that bad

No, it really is that bad. It is worse than that bad. It is almost unfathomable relative to what we paid for Rudy. That’s like spending 50 dollars on 20 quarters.

[shrink]

Chris Paul for D'Angelo Russell, who says no?

We have been over this. Of course we say no. If we do it we are doomed for six years on the brief glimmer of two years of hope. That assumes everyone stays healthy and that CP3 can make it work here. It’s a sharp turn into a dead end street.

I don’t understand this. Six years? What happens those last four?

You know Chris Paul has team-friendly protections on his deal, right?

[winforlose]

Chris Paul for D'Angelo Russell, who says no?

We have been over this. Of course we say no. If we do it we are doomed for six years on the brief glimmer of two years of hope. That assumes everyone stays healthy and that CP3 can make it work here. It’s a sharp turn into a dead end street.

I don’t understand this. Six years? What happens those last four?

You know Chris Paul has team-friendly protections on his deal, right?

Decline plus salary limitations plus draft picks owed. Not to mention high risk of injury due to age and limited PG options on the bench.

[Domejandro]

Chris Paul for D'Angelo Russell, who says no?

We have been over this. Of course we say no. If we do it we are doomed for six years on the brief glimmer of two years of hope. That assumes everyone stays healthy and that CP3 can make it work here. It’s a sharp turn into a dead end street.

I don’t understand this. Six years? What happens those last four?

You know Chris Paul has team-friendly protections on his deal, right?

I’ve literally explained that Chris Paul has a relatively team friendly deal that would increase Minnesota’s flexibility by a substantial amount in extraordinary detail… multiple times.

Apparently it doesn’t matter because Chris Paul is old, I guess.

[shrink]

We have been over this. Of course we say no. If we do it we are doomed for six years on the brief glimmer of two years of hope. That assumes everyone stays healthy and that CP3 can make it work here. It’s a sharp turn into a dead end street.

I don’t understand this. Six years? What happens those last four?

You know Chris Paul has team-friendly protections on his deal, right?

Decline plus salary limitations plus draft picks owed. Not to mention high risk of injury due to age and limited PG options on the bench.

How do any of these trump DLo expiring? How are we more limited in salary by having Paul under contract as matching salary, vs nothing with DLo? And how are we more limited in PG options with Paul vs DLo?

Well, I guess that’s one positive thing you can say about DLo. He’s so bad now, he can’t decline.

[Domejandro]

It’s time to call up Brooklyn.

[winforlose]

I don’t understand this. Six years? What happens those last four?

You know Chris Paul has team-friendly protections on his deal, right?

Decline plus salary limitations plus draft picks owed. Not to mention high risk of injury due to age and limited PG options on the bench.

How do any of these trump DLo expiring? How are we more limited in salary by having Paul under contract as matching salary, vs nothing with DLo? And how are we more limited in PG options with Paul vs DLo?

Well, I guess that’s one positive thing you can say about DLo. He’s so bad now, he can’t decline.

I will break it into pieces to make it easier to follow.

1. Dlo is playing way below his normal level. I cannot explain it or defend it, but this not the Dlo from 21/22 or even from 20/21.
2. CP3’s age causes 3 issues. Injury risk, natural decline, and no resale value. In 2 years who is gonna trade for CP3 if we need to make a move? In theory Dlo is more moveable later.
3. Dlo can probably be extended more cheaply after this bizarre and horrible stretch. Getting Dlo for 20-22 would be ideal. It also makes him more moveable for the middle of the pack PG that we might move him for later.
4. CP3 is not gonna be moved this year anyway. The Suns have no motivation to do so.