What's up with Primo? EDIT - Spurs Waive Primo 28-10-2022

NINE times. This isn't 'wadrobe malfunction' so there's a clear discinnect between the two sides - psychologist and Primo's lawyer's statement.

But this is where duty to warn factors in. How was this not a case of duty to warn - at least for her if not for others - and why weren't authorities informed? I don't understand how this happened...

Post #47 » by **G R E Y** » Thu Nov 3, 2022 4:42 pm

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Post #48 » by **G R E Y** » Thu Nov 3, 2022 5:08 pm

I don't know what to say about this...

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Post #49 » by **G R E Y** » Thu Nov 3, 2022 5:49 pm

I don't understand how most of these are even possible.

I don't understand how duty to warn didn't kick in.

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Post #50 » by **G R E Y** » Thu Nov 3, 2022 6:50 pm

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imagump1313 · Post #52 » by **imagump1313** » Thu Nov 3, 2022 10:58 pm

Wow....When I said to tank, I didn't mean to pour gas on yourselves and drive the entire franchise into a blazing dumpster fire.

Primo wasn't even a good player and now everyone will be fired for protecting his creepy ass.......

If Pop knew about anything way back in January then he deserves whatever happens also. (I really cant see this being the case but if he actually did then no sympathy)

Post #53 » by **G R E Y** » Thu Nov 3, 2022 11:33 pm

imagump1313 wrote:Wow....When I said to tank, I didn't mean to pour gas on yourselves and drive the entire franchise into a blazing dumpster fire.

Primo wasn't even a good player and now everyone will be fired for protecting his creepy ass.......

If Pop knew about anything way back in January then he deserves whatever happens also. (I really cant see this being the case but if he actually did then no sympathy)

Given RC's statement above, that Tom Orsborn confirmed that by GM she meant Wright not Buford, and that her lawyer stated that although she was told that Pop had been informed they believe she was being lied to about it, and given RC's and Pop's earned reputations, I think they deserve the benefit of the doubt.

I stated from the beginning that I was uncomfortable with the press conference, gut feeling, that in her profession she had certain avenues beyond directives (or lack thereof, allegedly), and feel this all the moreso now that she alleges nine exposures in a therapy setting. I believe her and I think it should never have been allowed to occur either from the team or from her in her professional capacity.

Something just feels off.

imagump1313 · Post #54 » by **imagump1313** » Fri Nov 4, 2022 12:00 am

G R E Y wrote:
imagump1313 wrote:Wow....When I said to tank, I didn't mean to pour gas on yourselves and drive the entire franchise into a blazing dumpster fire.

Primo wasn't even a good player and now everyone will be fired for protecting his creepy ass.......

If Pop knew about anything way back in January then he deserves whatever happens also. (I really cant see this being the case but if he actually did then no sympathy)

Given RC's statement above, that Tom Orsborn confirmed that by GM she meant Wright not Buford, and that her lawyer stated that although she was told that Pop had been informed they believe she was being lied to about it, and given RC's and Pop's earned reputations, I think they deserve the benefit of the doubt.

I stated from the beginning that I was uncomfortable with the press conference, gut feeling, that in her profession she had certain avenues beyond directives (or lack thereof, allegedly), and feel this all the moreso now that she alleges nine exposures in a therapy setting. I believe her and I think it should never have been allowed to occur either from the team or from her in her professional capacity.

Something just feels off.

Yes, I understand all that from the statement.

A few things don't add up to me:

If this was actually happening(which I believe it was) why would you go to only Wright? I imagine this was what she was told to do but I would think if you are a team psychologist and you suspect something is really wrong with a player that you would reach out to the head coach no matter what you were told. Was she forbidden to have interaction with the head coach of the organization who's players she is caring for? Its not like Pop is some crippled old man who can't handle sensitive information about his players. And she is a psychologist so I imagine she isnt a dumb person. I cant believe that the two of them didn't talk about any of this.

Like I said above, I believe this happened. But 9 times? After the first 3 or 4 times what was she doing? Looking at her schedule and saying "Oh, I have Primo coming in again today. Better be ready for him to whip it out again" I know its stated that it was her dream job and maybe she was afraid of making waves? But I would think if you wanted to show people you are competent at your dream job that you would reach out to others who are more important if Wright wasn't doing anything.

I want to desperately believe Pop didn't know anything until we released him, but how on earth could he not have gotten wind of it somehow? Could he really be that oblivious to what is happening in the organization? And if he honestly didn't know, how many other creeps do we have employed that decided it was a good idea to keep that information silent?

Didn't we just sign Primo to an extension or something? Or re-do his deal? If Wright or anyone knew anything, you wouldn't goto RC or Pop and say, hey maybe we should wait on this or just tell him then?

I'm sure we will find out more details but if any of this is remotely true, everyone deserves to GTFO.

Post #55 » by **G R E Y** » Fri Nov 4, 2022 1:09 am

imagump1313 wrote:
G R E Y wrote:
imagump1313 wrote:Wow....When I said to tank, I didn't mean to pour gas on yourselves and drive the entire franchise into a blazing dumpster fire.

Primo wasn't even a good player and now everyone will be fired for protecting his creepy ass.......

If Pop knew about anything way back in January then he deserves whatever happens also. (I really cant see this being the case but if he actually did then no sympathy)

Given RC's statement above, that Tom Orsborn confirmed that by GM she meant Wright not Buford, and that her lawyer stated that although she was told that Pop had been informed they believe she was being lied to about it, and given RC's and Pop's earned reputations, I think they deserve the benefit of the doubt.

I stated from the beginning that I was uncomfortable with the press conference, gut feeling, that in her profession she had certain avenues beyond directives (or lack thereof, allegedly), and feel this all the moreso now that she alleges nine exposures in a therapy setting. I believe her and I think it should never have been allowed to occur either from the team or from her in her professional capacity.

Something just feels off.

Yes, I understand all that from the statement.

A few things don't add up to me:

If this was actually happening(which I believe it was) why would you go to only Wright? I imagine this was what she was told to do but I would think if you are a team psychologist and you suspect something is really wrong with a player that you would reach out to the head coach no matter what you were told. Was she forbidden to have interaction with the head coach of the organization who's players she is caring for? Its not like Pop is some crippled old man who can't handle sensitive information about his players. And she is a psychologist so I imagine she isnt a dumb person. I cant believe that the two of them didn't talk about any of this.

Like I said above, I believe this happened. But 9 times? After the first 3 or 4 times what was she doing? Looking at her schedule and saying "Oh, I have Primo coming in again today. Better be ready for him to whip it out again" I know its stated that it was her dream job and maybe she was afraid of making waves? But I would think if you wanted to show people you are competent at your dream job that you would reach out to others who are more important if Wright wasn't doing anything.

I want to desperately believe Pop didn't know anything until we released him, but how on earth could he not have gotten wind of it somehow? Could he really be that oblivious to what is happening in the organization? And if he honestly didn't know, how many other creeps do we have employed that decided it was a good idea to keep that information silent?

Didn't we just sign Primo to an extension or something? Or re-do his deal? If Wright or anyone knew anything, you wouldn't goto RC or Pop and say, hey maybe we should wait on this or just tell him then?

I'm sure we will find out more details but if any of this is remotely true, everyone deserves to GTFO.

There's some separation in terms of who reports to whom for what as I gather. If what she alleges about Wright's misconduct is true then it would be in his best interest to keep it as far away or as tame a version passed on as possible.

It's near impossible for me to believe that Pop, all the more with Becky on the bench, would allow any of this. Some on GB say it's for him to know because he's responsible, but that's why you hire people and divvy up responsibilities - it's impossible for any one person to do everything. When it works well there is nothing hidden; when it doesn't, it's easier to hide.

Pop/RC not realizing what this really was leads me to believe this is why, for instance, Primo was extended and then waived. Just speculating here, but it's one thing that would make sense of the incongruity.

I have no reason to doubt them until proven otherwise.

JeffReal · Post #56 » by **JeffReal** » Fri Nov 4, 2022 5:14 pm

imagump1313 wrote:If this was actually happening(which I believe it was) why would you go to only Wright? …

Why do you say “only?” She went to Wright initially, of course, because he’s the GM. A person would think he would get the ball rolling and get something done about it.

What about that puzzles you? It isn’t puzzling at all.

You imagine it was her job to inform Pop. Not so. Once he knew, it was Wright’s job to inform Pop. (Not Pop as the coach, Pop as POBO.)

She was correct to inform the GM. At that point it was on the GM to inform anybody else who needed to know, including Pop. Wright knew - or should have known - more than she did about who else in the organization needed to be told.

You seem to be assuming it was her responsibility to do things that were actually Wright’s responsibility.

Wright told her he would deal with it. She took him at his word, at first. So would you, or anybody. There was no reason to disbelieve Wright when he first said it.

Later, when it became clear Wright, either through inability or unwillingness, had not dealt with it, she stopped seeing Primo. And the subsequent events happened.

I want to desperately believe Pop didn't know anything until we released him, but how on earth could he not have gotten wind of it somehow? Could he really be that oblivious to what is happening in the organization? ….

People only know what they’re told, Pop is no exception.

imagump1313 · Post #57 » by **imagump1313** » Fri Nov 4, 2022 11:21 pm

JeffReal wrote:
imagump1313 wrote:If this was actually happening(which I believe it was) why would you go to only Wright? …

Why do you say “only?” She went to Wright initially, of course, because he’s the GM. A person would think he would get the ball rolling and get something done about it.

What about that puzzles you? It isn’t puzzling at all.

You imagine it was her job to inform Pop. Not so. Once he knew, it was Wright’s job to inform Pop. (Not Pop as the coach, Pop as POBO.)

She was correct to inform the GM. At that point it was on the GM to inform anybody else who needed to know, including Pop. Wright knew - or should have known - more than she did about who else in the organization needed to be told.

You seem to be assuming it was her responsibility to do things that were actually Wright’s responsibility.

Wright told her he would deal with it. She took him at his word, at first. So would you, or anybody. There was no reason to disbelieve Wright when he first said it.

Later, when it became clear Wright, either through inability or unwillingness, had not dealt with it, she stopped seeing Primo. And the subsequent events happened.

I want to desperately believe Pop didn't know anything until we released him, but how on earth could he not have gotten wind of it somehow? Could he really be that oblivious to what is happening in the organization? ….

People only know what they’re told, Pop is no exception.

I think you're being pretty naive.

Pop only knows what he's told? Really?

He is the face and leader of the franchise. He has 20-30 years of history of being closely involved with all his players personally since he has been there. Now all of a sudden he has no idea about one of the players they just extended and were hoping to be a main piece of the team going forward? I don't buy that at all.

Like I said, maybe she was instructed to report to Wright but he obviously didn't tell anyone? Like I also said, she is a psychologist. She isn't stupid. After it happening once or twice without Wright doing anything, would she just be like "OK, I'll just keep penciling him in for an appointment every month because Brian Wright said its fine? Who TF is Brian Wright? The king of psychologists??

Also, I cannot imagine that if there was a team psychologist involved with his players, that Pop would want to be totally oblivious to whatever outcomes she might find. There is no way. Why even have a team psychologist at all if that's the case?

You seem to be blowing off the fact that if this is true, it happened 9 times.
Not once
Not 3 times
Not even 7 times.
9 times......

If I had a co-worker or a manager that I reported to on my job and I told them something more than once and they just blew it off and didn't do their job I would reported it to someone else. Let alone 9 times. This wasn't just a case of Johnny isn't emptying the pencil sharpener. This was a gigantic problem that could possibly set the franchise back for years to come. Not to mention one of the players they are responsible for has a major mental issue. I highly doubt that she didn't understand this.

So even if Wright wasn't the only one who knew, there would be even less of a chance that Pop didn't know about it. Pop knows everything about all his players and I think he himself demands that.

If he honestly didn't know anything, I would have even more concerned about him not having a handle on his players anymore.

imagump1313 · Post #58 » by **imagump1313** » Fri Nov 4, 2022 11:40 pm

I do agree with what Pop is saying: We are going to have to wait to see what is exactly true and what isnt and I'm ok with that:

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Post #59 » by **SD2042** » Sat Nov 5, 2022 2:10 am

I took a week to absorb what has been reveal to this point. I will say it's very disappointing and very stunning to see something like this to be happening to a well run organization as the Spurs. This is a hugh situation for the Spurs to find themselves in. Although they took action by waiving PrimoI have several questions with what is happening around Primo.

If Primo has been doing this for nearly a year:

Why did the psychologist continue to put up with the indecent exposure for months?

As GM, did Brian Wright and members of the scouting team were aware of anything off within Primo's psychological profile before drafting him?

If Brian Wright was made aware of Primo's behavior before now, why wasn't any action taken before now?

How much did Pop know or didn't know before the news of Primo fell out?

How much going forward will this episode with Primo will effect the Spurs moving forward?

Post #60 » by **G R E Y** » Sat Nov 5, 2022 4:27 am

I believe her.

I find the number of incidents weird for a psychologist to tolerate - that's not intended as victim blaming but questioning all available avenues in her profession beyond team directives

I found the press conference route weird since it was announced precisely because, as I said in the GB thread about the topic, it serves several intentions, not the least of which is trial by press, and now what was said at the presser is considered the truth and when other parties involved are questioned their best strategy is saying less which almost always looks damning.

I trust what RC and Pop said most recently about this. We know only one version of events.

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And so we wait and see.