What's up with Primo? EDIT - Spurs Waive Primo 28-10-2022

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Re: What's up with Primo? EDIT - Spurs Waive Primo 28-10-2022 

Post#61 » by JeffReal » Sat Nov 5, 2022 4:48 am

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I think you're being pretty naive.

Pop only knows what he's told? Really?


What makes you think Pop is psychic? I’ve heard a lot of things about him, but never that.

People only know what they’re told, including Pop.

It’s naive to suppose a person must automatically know things because of his status, like a child’s early belief that his parents know everything.

Pop’s legendary status, and the Spurs’ reputation, would have been all the more reason for the lower level people to keep it to themselves, as long as they thought they could handle it.

You want a simple, solid, human reason why Pop wouldn’t know?

They didn’t want to upset him.

People only know what they’re told. It’s possible to take advantage of that, either with good motives, or bad ones. Happens all the time.

… He has 20-30 years of history of being closely involved with all his players personally since he has been there. …


Absolute rubbish. That is some kind of superstitious foolishness. For one simple fact, there aren’t enough hours in the day for that to be true.

Pop isn’t Santa Claus. He does not supernaturally know who’s been good or bad.

Like I said, maybe she was instructed to report to Wright but he obviously didn't tell anyone? …


Who do you think she should have reported the incidents to, if not the GM?

At that time, should she have known something about Wright that should have led her to bypass him? What should she have known about him (at that time?)

Wright did tell people. Eventually. He told the head of HR, and the head of Spurs legal. I believe it was - somebody in the Spurs legal department, anyway.

You seem unfamiliar with the basic facts (or at least what’s been reported - the ultimate facts aren’t nailed down yet.)

Like I also said, she is a psychologist. She isn't stupid. After it happening once or twice without Wright doing anything, …


That isn’t what happened. Or at least, that isn’t what’s been reported.

Also, I cannot imagine that if there was a team psychologist involved with his players, that Pop would want to be totally oblivious to whatever outcomes she might find. …


You imagine Pop supernaturally knows everything he wants to know. That is not the case. He relies on people, like the GM, the head of HR, and the Spurs legal department, to tell him things. If they don’t tell him, he doesn’t know.

... Why even have a team psychologist at all …


Perhaps you could write a letter of complaint to the Spurs that they hired one.

You seem to be blowing off the fact …


You seem to be blowing off most of the facts that have been reported, in addition to the fact that Pop isn’t Santa Claus.

… it happened 9 times.


Yes, so the complaint alleges, I believe. If so, she had amazing fortitude, and the patience of a saint. Such people are not impossible to find, but they are extremely rare.

If I had a co-worker or a manager that I reported to on my job and I told them something more than once and they just blew it off …


Wright first told her he’d deal with it, and later told her he’d talk to the Spurs legal department, which he did. It gave her the impression that serious action was being taken. Was she supposed to know otherwise at that time? Is she now the one who’s supposed to be psychic?

... This was a gigantic problem that could possibly set the franchise back for years to come. Not to mention one of the players they are responsible for has a major mental issue. I highly doubt that she didn't understand this.


You’ve put the focus on the wrong person. The question is whether the Spurs GM, the head of HR, and the Spurs legal department understood that. By current appearances, they did not understand it, and it has bitten them hard enough that the tooth marks will show for a long time.

Pop knows everything about all his players …


Oh puhleeze. Are you just trying to force me to write lmao?
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Re: What's up with Primo? EDIT - Spurs Waive Primo 28-10-2022 

Post#62 » by imagump1313 » Sat Nov 5, 2022 4:53 am

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imagump1313 wrote:
I think you're being pretty naive.

Pop only knows what he's told? Really?


What makes you think Pop is psychic? I’ve heard a lot of things about him, but never that.

People only know what they’re told, including Pop.

It’s naive to suppose a person must automatically know things because of his status, like a child’s early belief that his parents know everything.

Pop’s legendary status, and the Spurs’ reputation, would have been all the more reason for the lower level people to keep it to themselves, as long as they thought they could handle it.

You want a simple, solid, human reason why Pop wouldn’t know?

They didn’t want to upset him.

People only know what they’re told. It’s possible to take advantage of that, either with good motives, or bad ones. Happens all the time.

… He has 20-30 years of history of being closely involved with all his players personally since he has been there. …


Absolute rubbish. That is some kind of superstitious foolishness. For one simple fact, there aren’t enough hours in the day for that to be true.

Pop isn’t Santa Claus. He does not supernaturally know who’s been good or bad.

Like I said, maybe she was instructed to report to Wright but he obviously didn't tell anyone? …


Who do you think she should have reported the incidents to, if not the GM?

At that time, should she have known something about Wright that should have led her to bypass him? What should she have known about him (at that time?)

Wright did tell people. Eventually. He told the head of HR, and the head of Spurs legal. I believe it was - somebody in the Spurs legal department, anyway.

You seem unfamiliar with the basic facts (or at least what’s been reported - the ultimate facts aren’t nailed down yet.)

Like I also said, she is a psychologist. She isn't stupid. After it happening once or twice without Wright doing anything, …


That isn’t what happened. Or at least, that isn’t what’s been reported.

Also, I cannot imagine that if there was a team psychologist involved with his players, that Pop would want to be totally oblivious to whatever outcomes she might find. …


You imagine Pop supernaturally knows everything he wants to know. That is not the case. He relies on people, like the GM, the head of HR, and the Spurs legal department, to tell him things. If they don’t tell him, he doesn’t know.

... Why even have a team psychologist at all …


Perhaps you could write a letter of complaint to the Spurs that they hired one.

You seem to be blowing off the fact …


You seem to be blowing off most of the facts that have been reported, in addition to the fact that Pop isn’t Santa Claus.

… it happened 9 times.


Yes, so the complaint alleges, I believe. If so, she had amazing fortitude, and the patience of a saint. Such people are not impossible to find, but they are extremely rare.

If I had a co-worker or a manager that I reported to on my job and I told them something more than once and they just blew it off …


Wright first told her he’d deal with it, and later told her he’d talk to the Spurs legal department, which he did. It gave her the impression that serious action was being taken. Was she supposed to know otherwise at that time? Is she now the one who’s supposed to be psychic?

... This was a gigantic problem that could possibly set the franchise back for years to come. Not to mention one of the players they are responsible for has a major mental issue. I highly doubt that she didn't understand this.


You’ve put the focus on the wrong person. The question is whether the Spurs GM, the head of HR, and the Spurs legal department understood that. By current appearances, they did not understand it, and it has bitten them hard enough that the tooth marks will show for a long time.

Pop knows everything about all his players …


Oh puhleeze. Are you just trying to force me to write lmao?


I don't know who you think you are defending. All of your points are soo way off base its funny.

Yes this is Weekend at Bernies and Pop is a puppet who doesn't now anything about a franchise he's been a major part of for almost 30 years. Does your brain even function beyond a 3rd grade level?
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Re: What's up with Primo? EDIT - Spurs Waive Primo 28-10-2022 

Post#63 » by JeffReal » Sat Nov 5, 2022 5:39 am

G R E Y wrote:I believe her.


The fact that the Spurs so unceremoniously dumped Primo is enough evidence to verify her basic complaint about him. So there’s no fundamental disagreement between her and the Spurs that his behavior was highly unacceptable. It’s only left to hash out the legal consequences, between her and the Spurs.

I hope for, and expect, a settlement between her and the Spurs, and perhaps it won’t take too long, altho, with lawyers, events always take ten times as long as they should. When the settlement is announced, I also expect both sides to make statements expressing pleasure that they were able to reach agreement, and also expressing goodwill, each for the other. “We’re in agreement, we’re all friends again, and everything is cool.” I mean, whatever goes on behind the scenes, it will need to look like that in public.

If it doesn’t end up like that, somebody involved is crazy.

I found the press conference route weird …


The press conference route was mostly for wider publicity to find more victims, if any exist. There have been rumors about Las Vegas and Minneapolis (truth of those, unknown.)
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Re: What's up with Primo? EDIT - Spurs Waive Primo 28-10-2022 

Post#64 » by G R E Y » Sat Nov 5, 2022 7:25 am

Just keep it clean and on topic, gents, rather than making it personal. It's such a heated topic as it is without us getting at one another, too. And I'd rather this route than hand out warnings if it gets too out of hand, please. Thanks.



My headspace right now is to focus on watching the games and supporting the team. I've gotten so stuck from all the questions I had and so few answered that it's been quite stressful.

I trust my gut and it's been quite on target so far even with what little info we have. I think the RC and Pop statements post-press conference (which itself set some alarm bells, probably not in the way it was intended) rang true, were steadfast, and leveled the scales for me.

There's more to say but it's late and these matters are better left for a clearer better rested mind.
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Re: What's up with Primo? EDIT - Spurs Waive Primo 28-10-2022 

Post#65 » by G R E Y » Thu Nov 17, 2022 8:15 pm

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EDIT to add:

There was some initial confusion about whether there was a settlement with just the Spurs. However,

“The parties have agreed to resolve this matter,” lawyer Tony Buzbee said Thursday in a text message to the Express-News.

The court’s online docket does not indicate that Primo also was dropped as a defendant, but that could reflect a normal time lag for electronically filed documents to show up in the system.

Buzbee said news reports that Cauthen had settled only with the Spurs and not with Primo were incorrect.

The settlement does not affect a separate criminal investigation into Cauthen’s allegations by the Bexar County Sheriff’s Office. The office said investigators have interviewed Cauthen and taken a statement from her, and that “the complainant’s account is being investigated and evidence is being sought.”

https://www.expressnews.com/sports/spurs/article/Hillary-Cauthen-Josh-Primo-Spurs-lawsuit-17592977.php

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Post#68 » by G R E Y » Fri Nov 18, 2022 2:09 am

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