Re: Trade Talk (Part Eleven): 2022 Offseason Edition

[D1SGRUNTL3D]

It’s time to call up Brooklyn.

Kyrie yes. BS no.

If that’s what you’re referring to

[Neeva]

Desperate times calls for desperate measures. A dlo for kyrie swap sounds good to me.

[winforlose]

Desperate times calls for desperate measures. A dlo for kyrie swap sounds good to me.

Even if we could, Kyrie would get himself suspended again at some point. Not to mention we would need to extend him to keep him, and then we would really be neck deep in the swamp water. We need to fix Dlo somehow.

[shangrila]

If Minnesota didn't have Rudy Gobert, trading D'Angelo Russell for Ben Simmons would be a very solid gamble. That said, I think the team's spacing is already brutal enough.

Then again... Ben Simmons, Jaden McDaniels, AND Rudy Gobert? Dear Lord.

Your talking peak Simmons. This Simmons is a head case with multiple injury issues. Just today he had his knee drained (after needing an MRI). His scoring is down, his defense is not up to snuff, and his contract is like concrete shoes at the water’s edge.

I've (unfortunately) watched quite a few Brooklyn games. Overall, he was playing fine for someone coming off of back surgery and not playing for two years. The only major differences are: the rust was making him exceptionally prone to fouling and his finishing around the basket has been a bit off. I would expect those to be two things that will likely be ironed out as he gets readjusted, the other parts of his game were still very solid.

That said, I just don't think the fit is there with Gobert, McDaniels, and Edwards. Would be a disaster, spacing wise.

He's also clearly not used to setting screens.

He must be averaging at least 2 turnovers a game just from illegal screens.

[IceManBK1]

It’s time to call up Brooklyn.

Kyrie yes. BS no.

If that’s what you’re referring to

Kyrie for dlo and McDaniels... Kyrie, Edwards and towns will be unstoppable cuz they are all super efficient shooting the ball. Dlo can go the nets to rejoin his HS teammate Simmons and hopefully they can make sth happen in bkyln.

[TimberKat]

It’s time to call up Brooklyn.

Kyrie yes. BS no.

If that’s what you’re referring to

Kyrie for dlo and McDaniels... Kyrie, Edwards and towns will be unstoppable cuz they are all super efficient shooting the ball. Dlo can go the nets to rejoin his HS teammate Simmons and hopefully they can make sth happen in bkyln.

You people are just like the real GMs and owners. We just roasted Kyrie about how toxic he is and should kick him out of the league. In the next 5 minutes, you want to give him a big contract to run the team. No wonder he is what he is. Get Simmons instead, his shooting pct is higher than DsLOw’s and he won’t hurt you by jacking up ill advised 3pt shots.

[BlacJacMac]

It’s time to call up Brooklyn.

Kyrie yes. BS no.

If that’s what you’re referring to

Kyrie for dlo and McDaniels... Kyrie, Edwards and towns will be unstoppable cuz they are all super efficient shooting the ball. Dlo can go the nets to rejoin his HS teammate Simmons and hopefully they can make sth happen in bkyln.

This isn't NBA2K22...

[Domejandro]

It’s time to call up Brooklyn.

Kyrie yes. BS no.

If that’s what you’re referring to

Kyrie for dlo and McDaniels... Kyrie, Edwards and towns will be unstoppable cuz they are all super efficient shooting the ball. Dlo can go the nets to rejoin his HS teammate Simmons and hopefully they can make sth happen in bkyln.

1. Anthony Edwards is absolutely not efficient at shooting the ball, his inefficiency is why I would trade for Kyrie.

2. I would offer (functionally) a one-to-one trade. Throw in another player to avoid the Luxury-Tax, but beyond that, I wouldn’t be offering heavy incentive like Jaden McDaniels.

I would expect Brooklyn to decline, but ultimately, if they wanted a way out while saving face, D’Angelo Russell would be my offer. Nothing more, because it likely would be a dud of a trade.

[minimus]

Assuming that Lonzo Ball will miss at least first half of this season with injury would you do following trade:

DLo + 2nd round picks for Lonzo Ball and Coby White

[winforlose]

Assuming that Lonzo Ball will miss at least first half of this season with injury would you do following trade:

DLo + 2nd round picks for Lonzo Ball and Coby White

Is an injured Lonzo better than Dlo? I mean even IF he comes back, can he stay healthy? As for CW, I don’t think we need to want him. He is a less effective Nowell and there is only one basketball. I personally would pass. But, if you want a 3rd team involved and those two went to team 3, then depending on the return it could be interesting.

[IceManBK1]

It might be a good idea to trade Gobert for Simmons. Our spacing is obviously a lot better when we have a defensive 4 with Karl at center. We recover back to shooters a lot faster too. Maybe we can get simmons plus shooter like Seth curry or Joe Harris back for Gobert.

[Domejandro]

It might be a good idea to trade Gobert for Simmons. Our spacing is obviously a lot better when we have a defensive 4 with Karl at center. We recover back to shooters a lot faster too. Maybe we can get simmons plus shooter like Seth curry or Joe Harris back for Gobert.

That is atrocious for Minnesota, and Brooklyn has no reasonable means to make that a fair deal.

[TimberKat]

It might be a good idea to trade Gobert for Simmons. Our spacing is obviously a lot better when we have a defensive 4 with Karl at center. We recover back to shooters a lot faster too. Maybe we can get simmons plus shooter like Seth curry or Joe Harris back for Gobert.

That is atrocious for Minnesota, and Brooklyn has no reasonable means to make that a fair deal.

It's only a bad deal because we paid so much for Gobert already. Suppose KD didn't ask for a trade and the original deal was a 3 way deal where Gobert goes to Nets, Simmons coming to Wolves, picks from BKN+Wolves goes to Jazz. (Likely we kept Kessler); we will be talking about how great an upgrade Simmons is from Vanderbilt. This proposal maybe a great trade if we don't make the playoffs this year.

The other major off-season trade had worked out for Cavs and Hawks. The TWolves trade was controversial even with NBA analysis and GMs, definitely the defining moment for Connelly. I think Connelly is two levels better than Khan, so still feel it will eventually work. We just can't play sloppy and need to make crispy passes so our shooters has a few more micro-second to setup the shot against good teams.

[TimberKat]

quote from Stephen A Simth (not sure how much you believe him):
“If Joe Tsai did not have to pay Kyrie Irving his $36.9 million, Kyrie Irving would be gone,” Smith said. “Right now, if you could get somebody to take him, he’d probably be gone. His career in Brooklyn is pretty much over. I think it’s definitively over after this season. The question is: What do you do with him now?”

Are we that desperate right now? Maybe another 20 games in?

[winforlose]

It might be a good idea to trade Gobert for Simmons. Our spacing is obviously a lot better when we have a defensive 4 with Karl at center. We recover back to shooters a lot faster too. Maybe we can get simmons plus shooter like Seth curry or Joe Harris back for Gobert.

That is atrocious for Minnesota, and Brooklyn has no reasonable means to make that a fair deal.

It's only a bad deal because we paid so much for Gobert already. Suppose KD didn't ask for a trade and the original deal was a 3 way deal where Gobert goes to Nets, Simmons coming to Wolves, picks from BKN+Wolves goes to Jazz. (Likely we kept Kessler); we will be talking about how great an upgrade Simmons is from Vanderbilt. This proposal maybe a great trade if we don't make the playoffs this year.

The other major off-season trade had worked out for Cavs and Hawks. The TWolves trade was controversial even with NBA analysis and GMs, definitely the defining moment for Connelly. I think Connelly is two levels better than Khan, so still feel it will eventually work. We just can't play sloppy and need to make crispy passes so our shooters has a few more micro-second to setup the shot against good teams.

Simmons has been terrible. Plus the price we paid for Gobert is the price we paid for Gobert. Cannot magic that away. You don’t trade 50 dollars for 20 quarters.

[TimberKat]

That is atrocious for Minnesota, and Brooklyn has no reasonable means to make that a fair deal.

It's only a bad deal because we paid so much for Gobert already. Suppose KD didn't ask for a trade and the original deal was a 3 way deal where Gobert goes to Nets, Simmons coming to Wolves, picks from BKN+Wolves goes to Jazz. (Likely we kept Kessler); we will be talking about how great an upgrade Simmons is from Vanderbilt. This proposal maybe a great trade if we don't make the playoffs this year.

The other major off-season trade had worked out for Cavs and Hawks. The TWolves trade was controversial even with NBA analysis and GMs, definitely the defining moment for Connelly. I think Connelly is two levels better than Khan, so still feel it will eventually work. We just can't play sloppy and need to make crispy passes so our shooters has a few more micro-second to setup the shot against good teams.

Simmons has been terrible. Plus the price we paid for Gobert is the price we paid for Gobert. Cannot magic that away. You don’t trade 50 dollars for 20 quarters.

I watched a few BKN games this year. I don't feel Simmons is specifically bad. I just don't feel he wants to play basketball but just out there get 6 fouls early and be done. Maybe he is just happy to be a sheep rancher (a little Darko reference) or a rapper.

Supposed you bought a nice used Mercedes for $20K then found out it's got a bad transmission and won't run in Minnesota winter. What are you going to do? You can't get your money back from the used car salescum. Walk to the grocery in snow until someone offers you $20K? As with any used car, the longer you hang on to it, the lower the price goes.

[winforlose]

It's only a bad deal because we paid so much for Gobert already. Suppose KD didn't ask for a trade and the original deal was a 3 way deal where Gobert goes to Nets, Simmons coming to Wolves, picks from BKN+Wolves goes to Jazz. (Likely we kept Kessler); we will be talking about how great an upgrade Simmons is from Vanderbilt. This proposal maybe a great trade if we don't make the playoffs this year.

The other major off-season trade had worked out for Cavs and Hawks. The TWolves trade was controversial even with NBA analysis and GMs, definitely the defining moment for Connelly. I think Connelly is two levels better than Khan, so still feel it will eventually work. We just can't play sloppy and need to make crispy passes so our shooters has a few more micro-second to setup the shot against good teams.

Simmons has been terrible. Plus the price we paid for Gobert is the price we paid for Gobert. Cannot magic that away. You don’t trade 50 dollars for 20 quarters.

I watched a few BKN games this year. I don't feel Simmons is specifically bad. I just don't feel he wants to play basketball but just out there get 6 fouls early and be done. Maybe he is just happy to be a sheep rancher (a little Darko reference) or a rapper.

Supposed you bought a nice used Mercedes for $20K then found out it's got a bad transmission and won't run in Minnesota winter. What are you going to do? You can't get your money back from the used car salescum. Walk to the grocery in snow until someone offers you $20K? As with any used car, the longer you hang on to it, the lower the price goes.

Simmons is a bad four year contract. By your own words “ I just don't feel he wants to play basketball but just out there get 6 fouls early and be done.” That is the worst possible thing to bring onto your team.

Gobert isn’t losing value. Even if he is a bad fit for us (which he isn’t,) other teams will still want him. Your analogy only works if Rudy is incapable of playing at a high level. He has already had multiple 20 rebound games. It’s more like you bought a Lexus and because you don’t like the color you want to trade it for a moped.

[Nick K]

Kyrie yes. BS no.

If that’s what you’re referring to

Kyrie for dlo and McDaniels... Kyrie, Edwards and towns will be unstoppable cuz they are all super efficient shooting the ball. Dlo can go the nets to rejoin his HS teammate Simmons and hopefully they can make sth happen in bkyln.

1. Anthony Edwards is absolutely not efficient at shooting the ball, his inefficiency is why I would trade for Kyrie.

2. I would offer (functionally) a one-to-one trade. Throw in another player to avoid the Luxury-Tax, but beyond that, I wouldn’t be offering heavy incentive like Jaden McDaniels.

I would expect Brooklyn to decline, but ultimately, if they wanted a way out while saving face, D’Angelo Russell would be my offer. Nothing more, because it likely would be a dud of a trade.

I usually don't disagree with you much but I do here. Ant is plenty efficient. He shoots 46% field, 37% from 3 and has a TS% of 56! The numbers show Ant is more efficient than Kyrie.

I do agree Kyrie is a better player than Dlo but Kyrie is a free agant after this year just like Dlo. What would Kyrie do to our locker room?

As much as I don't like Simmons, I could see him run the point here and drive to the basket. His good defense and passing ability would be a nice fit. I'd do Dlo for Simmons straight up.

I'm still afraid of Simmons head games. Otherwise I'd just stay pat and see how things go. Let's see where we are at the deadline.

[Nick K]

Assuming that Lonzo Ball will miss at least first half of this season with injury would you do following trade:

DLo + 2nd round picks for Lonzo Ball and Coby White

Is an injured Lonzo better than Dlo? I mean even IF he comes back, can he stay healthy? As for CW, I don’t think we need to want him. He is a less effective Nowell and there is only one basketball. I personally would pass. But, if you want a 3rd team involved and those two went to team 3, then depending on the return it could be interesting.

That's right. Plus, Dlo can't really play worse. He's just not a great fit here. Dlo has to shoot 40% from 3 to be effective here since he can't drive to the basket. I'd pass on that trade too.

What do you think of Simmons for Dlo straight up and have Simmons run the team?

[guest81]

It’s time to call up Brooklyn.

Kyrie yes. BS no.

If that’s what you’re referring to

Kat for durant straight up?