2023 NBA Draft Thread

[Bensational]

It seems like teams have game planned for the Banchero/WCJ PnR and know how to cut off the passing lanes to force PB into a shot or kick out. With Bamba, and even Bol, he’s had some nice lobs in their short time together.

Makes me drool over a potential PB/Wemby pairing.

Failing Wemby, another defensive C who can get up for lobs would be nice. Whether that comes in the draft or through trade, I don’t know.

[uraverage]

It seems like teams have game planned for the Banchero/WCJ PnR and know how to cut off the passing lanes to force PB into a shot or kick out. With Bamba, and even Bol, he’s had some nice lobs in their short time together.

Makes me drool over a potential PB/Wemby pairing.

Failing Wemby, another defensive C who can get up for lobs would be nice. Whether that comes in the draft or through trade, I don’t know.

I was really hoping we would have made trade last year to pick up Mark Williams in the draft. Mark did a good job of playing off PB and was able to cover him on defense.


I really loved Mark's progression between year 1 and year 2. So i may just have liked the player not their work together..

[MasterGMer]

Should we make a trade offer for Shai Gilgeous Alexandra? If we land a top 10 pick this summer, should we package it along with CHI FRP plus pieces for SGA?

Dude is a star and I just do not think the timing with OKC's timeline stays to keep him there.

We seriously have to figure out our Back court. Suggs should improve from today's game against OKC. He was 1 for 9 from 3s.

That is also the reason why we need SGA

Anyone?

[AdamTH21]

Should we make a trade offer for Shai Gilgeous Alexandra? If we land a top 10 pick this summer, should we package it along with CHI FRP plus pieces for SGA?

Dude is a star and I just do not think the timing with OKC's timeline stays to keep him there.

We seriously have to figure out our Back court. Suggs should improve from today's game against OKC. He was 1 for 9 from 3s.

That is also the reason why we need SGA

Anyone?

I don't think there's any universe out there in which OKC bite on something like that. I don't understand the timeline thing (not aiming this specifically at you by the way) - he's only 24! And they have asset upon asset which they can use to build around him with.

[jonbob17]

Should we make a trade offer for Shai Gilgeous Alexandra? If we land a top 10 pick this summer, should we package it along with CHI FRP plus pieces for SGA?

Dude is a star and I just do not think the timing with OKC's timeline stays to keep him there.

We seriously have to figure out our Back court. Suggs should improve from today's game against OKC. He was 1 for 9 from 3s.

That is also the reason why we need SGA

Anyone?

I don't think there's any universe out there in which OKC bite on something like that. I don't understand the timeline thing (not aiming this specifically at you by the way) - he's only 24! And they have asset upon asset which they can use to build around him with.

Shai is probably one of the more valuable players in the league when it comes to cost of aquisition. He's on a relatively cheap contract until 2027, he's scoring 30 plus points a game, seems like he can get to the basket at will. I guess what I am saying is I can't imagine a trade for him that doesn't involve one of Franz or Paolo, and probably Suggs, and probably additional 1st round picks.

Oh and for as good as Shai is and has been he's shooting 31% this year from 3 after shooting 30% last year. I mean I guess I'd move Franz straight up, but adding the Suggs conundrum and picks or something along those lines seems like we would lose out on a lot of other options for trade and/or upside. I don't know maybe Shai is worth that kind of haul. We's still need to find the right players to surround him with (shooters). I may be biased on this Franz Paolo pairing.

[pepe1991]

Most important part about Shai is fact that we already saw him play on playoff team AND play very solid in playoffs at very young age.

That fact alone skyrockets his value in trades.

[nicnac215]

Should we make a trade offer for Shai Gilgeous Alexandra? If we land a top 10 pick this summer, should we package it along with CHI FRP plus pieces for SGA?

Dude is a star and I just do not think the timing with OKC's timeline stays to keep him there.

We seriously have to figure out our Back court. Suggs should improve from today's game against OKC. He was 1 for 9 from 3s.

That is also the reason why we need SGA

Anyone?

I don't think there's any universe out there in which OKC bite on something like that. I don't understand the timeline thing (not aiming this specifically at you by the way) - he's only 24! And they have asset upon asset which they can use to build around him with.

Shai is probably one of the more valuable players in the league when it comes to cost of aquisition. He's on a relatively cheap contract until 2027, he's scoring 30 plus points a game, seems like he can get to the basket at will. I guess what I am saying is I can't imagine a trade for him that doesn't involve one of Franz or Paolo, and probably Suggs, and probably additional 1st round picks.

Oh and for as good as Shai is and has been he's shooting 31% this year from 3 after shooting 30% last year. I mean I guess I'd move Franz straight up, but adding the Suggs conundrum and picks or something along those lines seems like we would lose out on a lot of other options for trade and/or upside. I don't know maybe Shai is worth that kind of haul. We's still need to find the right players to surround him with (shooters). I may be biased on this Franz Paolo pairing.

We need to pray for the 1st pick. Trade Wemby straight up for Shai.

[DSN1423]

Should we make a trade offer for Shai Gilgeous Alexandra? If we land a top 10 pick this summer, should we package it along with CHI FRP plus pieces for SGA?

Dude is a star and I just do not think the timing with OKC's timeline stays to keep him there.

We seriously have to figure out our Back court. Suggs should improve from today's game against OKC. He was 1 for 9 from 3s.

That is also the reason why we need SGA

Anyone?

This would definitely have to be a deadline deal or offseason deal, but we would have to part with our pick this year though. We simply don't have the talent that OKC would want in return so we would have to pay a premium with draft picks. I think WeHam would wait to see where our pick lands before offering that up. If we get a top 3 pick we should probably hold onto it and pick one of the Top 3 players. If it falls between 4-8 then I would be inclined to see what it could net us back in trade.

I'd say there is nothing wrong to at least kick the tires on the potential trade for Shai but I think Presti will demand a Mitchell type haul of Suggs, Cole, Bamba, WC plus 4 or 5 picks (including swaps)

My offer for Shai would be along the lines of;
SUGGS
COLE
BAMBA
JI
ORL 23 1st (if pick is between 4-8 range)
DEN 25 1st
ORL 26 1st (Top 10 protected)
Pick Swap in 27 and 28

Which leaves us with to build around;
FULTZ/SHAI/FRANZ/PAOLO/WC
plus Bol, Chuma, Mo W, Harris, RJ, Houstan
CHI 23 pick
ORL 23 2nd rounder (could be around the 35 mark)
ORL 24 Pick
ORL 25 Pick

I'd have no problem building through a bunch of smaller deals that fit pieces into the team that compliment Franz and Paolo.

[jonbob17]

Should we make a trade offer for Shai Gilgeous Alexandra? If we land a top 10 pick this summer, should we package it along with CHI FRP plus pieces for SGA?

Dude is a star and I just do not think the timing with OKC's timeline stays to keep him there.

We seriously have to figure out our Back court. Suggs should improve from today's game against OKC. He was 1 for 9 from 3s.

That is also the reason why we need SGA

Anyone?

This would definitely have to be a deadline deal or offseason deal, but we would have to part with our pick this year though. We simply don't have the talent that OKC would want in return so we would have to pay a premium with draft picks. I think WeHam would wait to see where our pick lands before offering that up. If we get a top 3 pick we should probably hold onto it and pick one of the Top 3 players. If it falls between 4-8 then I would be inclined to see what it could net us back in trade.

I'd say there is nothing wrong to at least kick the tires on the potential trade for Shai but I think Presti will demand a Mitchell type haul of Suggs, Cole, Bamba, WC plus 4 or 5 picks (including swaps)

My offer for Shai would be along the lines of;
SUGGS
COLE
BAMBA
JI
ORL 23 1st (if pick is between 4-8 range)
DEN 25 1st
ORL 26 1st (Top 10 protected)
Pick Swap in 27 and 28

Which leaves us with to build around;
FULTZ/SHAI/FRANZ/PAOLO/WC
plus Bol, Chuma, Mo W, Harris, RJ, Houstan
CHI 23 pick
ORL 23 2nd rounder (could be around the 35 mark)
ORL 24 Pick
ORL 25 Pick

I'd have no problem building through a bunch of smaller deals that fit pieces into the team that compliment Franz and Paolo.

I'd argue that Shai is much, much better than Mitchell at everything but 3s and health, with an extra year of team control.

I would love to see A: Shai out of OKC, B: what the deal that moves him looks like, I think it would be more like the AD/Lakers Deal on steroids. Which the Magic with all these recent picks might be one of the few teams able to get involved.

So that AD trade was Ball (2nd pick), Ingram (2nd pick), Hart (30th pick decent player), 3 unprotected firsts and a swap.

Would be fascinating if the New Orleans wins the lottery this year off the awful Lakers.

Yah, i think your offer is ball park, but probably insert Franz and pull out one of the picks. OKC has no motivation to get rid of Shai, EXCEPT the Wembayama sweepstakes, Does suggs + Franz help them lose more games than SGA...probably. If they were going to make this trade this would be the year to do it, but if I am OKC i am building around Shai, and using all their draft capital to add talent.

[DSN1423]

Should we make a trade offer for Shai Gilgeous Alexandra? If we land a top 10 pick this summer, should we package it along with CHI FRP plus pieces for SGA?

Dude is a star and I just do not think the timing with OKC's timeline stays to keep him there.

We seriously have to figure out our Back court. Suggs should improve from today's game against OKC. He was 1 for 9 from 3s.

That is also the reason why we need SGA

Anyone?

This would definitely have to be a deadline deal or offseason deal, but we would have to part with our pick this year though. We simply don't have the talent that OKC would want in return so we would have to pay a premium with draft picks. I think WeHam would wait to see where our pick lands before offering that up. If we get a top 3 pick we should probably hold onto it and pick one of the Top 3 players. If it falls between 4-8 then I would be inclined to see what it could net us back in trade.

I'd say there is nothing wrong to at least kick the tires on the potential trade for Shai but I think Presti will demand a Mitchell type haul of Suggs, Cole, Bamba, WC plus 4 or 5 picks (including swaps)

My offer for Shai would be along the lines of;
SUGGS
COLE
BAMBA
JI
ORL 23 1st (if pick is between 4-8 range)
DEN 25 1st
ORL 26 1st (Top 10 protected)
Pick Swap in 27 and 28

Which leaves us with to build around;
FULTZ/SHAI/FRANZ/PAOLO/WC
plus Bol, Chuma, Mo W, Harris, RJ, Houstan
CHI 23 pick
ORL 23 2nd rounder (could be around the 35 mark)
ORL 24 Pick
ORL 25 Pick

I'd have no problem building through a bunch of smaller deals that fit pieces into the team that compliment Franz and Paolo.

I'd argue that Shai is much, much better than Mitchell at everything but 3s and health, with an extra year of team control.

I would love to see A: Shai out of OKC, B: what the deal that moves him looks like, I think it would be more like the AD/Lakers Deal on steroids. Which the Magic with all these recent picks might be one of the few teams able to get involved.

So that AD trade was Ball (2nd pick), Ingram (2nd pick), Hart (30th pick decent player), 3 unprotected firsts and a swap.

Would be fascinating if the New Orleans wins the lottery this year off the awful Lakers.

Yah, i think your offer is ball park, but probably insert Franz and pull out one of the picks. OKC has no motivation to get rid of Shai, EXCEPT the Wembayama sweepstakes, Does suggs + Franz help them lose more games than SGA...probably. If they were going to make this trade this would be the year to do it, but if I am OKC i am building around Shai, and using all their draft capital to add talent.

I agree Shai is probably a better overall talent than DMitch, but I feel the market is set for lead guards lately with the young prospects and up to 5 picks/swaps. AD netted more due to his size/skillset/promise, there are less 6'10 franchise guys around the league than there are high scoring guards.

I admit my offer is somewhat a starting point for discussions. I don't feel comfortable adding in Franz to the deal as I feel he and Paolo need to be our building blocks. I'd add WC easily instead plus an extra pick or player to get it done.

I think OKC hang onto him unless they are desperate for either Scoot or Wemby

[pepe1991]

Doesn't really matter if you think MItchell is less valuable than SGA. Market sets prices, right now to add allstar performing young player you will pay it with multiple first round picks.
You can either accept it, or not buy it.

When you look at Cavs it's not really hard to see team that will be contending.
They lost season opener and won 6 in a row since. They now beat Celtics twice, they steamrolled okey Wizards,Bulls and Knicks teams. And what's most impressive about it, most wins happend without Garland.

Yes, they gave up bunch of picks, but how valuable is to have 20th first round pick stuck on at least 3 years guaranteed contract if you are Jazz and in same time you are developing 8 other guys? It's not worthless pick to have, but if you look at OKC, they reached point this offseason where they were waiving guaranteed contracts & picks to even have enough roster spots to keep the others.

[jezzerinho]

The Suns and Cavs did it the right way. Found their guy/s in the draft and went out early and decisively to build around them.

[drsd]

The Suns and Cavs did it the right way. Found their guy/s in the draft and went out early and decisively to build around them.

Screw tanking. This is how teams are built. Look at the Dubs dynasty. Look at the Bucks. Good teams couple scouting the draft and the FA markets as a path to success.

How's that 4-5 record working out for Sixers' fans?


p.s. I a shocked at how well the Cavs have done,. to be honest.


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[Knightro]

The Suns and Cavs did it the right way. Found their guy/s in the draft and went out early and decisively to build around them.

Screw tanking. This is how teams are built. Look at the Dubs dynasty. Look at the Bucks. Good teams couple scouting the draft and the FA markets as a path to success.

How's that 4-5 record working out for Sixers' fans?

p.s. I a shocked at how well the Cavs have done,. to be honest.

Just to be 100% clear, the Cavs and Suns both tanked significantly.

The Suns from 2016 to 2019 won 23, 24, 21 and 19 games.

The Cavs from 2019 to 2021 won 19, 19 and 21 games.

The only difference between them and the other teams who tanked during those same time periods is that both of those teams hit big on multiple lotto picks.

Once they hit on those picks, they supplemented those talented young guys with key trades and free agent signings.

That's what the Magic need to do. It looks like they've hit big on Banchero and Wagner. Maybe they have something useful in Suggs and Bol and Carter.

This upcoming trade deadline and offseason is where they need to find those trades and veteran free agency signings to supplement the developing young core.

[jonbob17]

The Suns and Cavs did it the right way. Found their guy/s in the draft and went out early and decisively to build around them.

If drafting Ayton over Luka is right, i hope the Magic are very, very wrong.

[jonbob17]

The Suns and Cavs did it the right way. Found their guy/s in the draft and went out early and decisively to build around them.

Screw tanking. This is how teams are built. Look at the Dubs dynasty. Look at the Bucks. Good teams couple scouting the draft and the FA markets as a path to success.

How's that 4-5 record working out for Sixers' fans?


p.s. I a shocked at how well the Cavs have done,. to be honest.


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To be honest, the Warriors draft picks have been pretty horrible of late. I guess you could say Poole was a nice choice, but then probably went out and over paid him. Wiseman and Kuminga look like disaster picks. Could you imagine how good Franz would be next to Curry and Draymond. Moody might be good, and slid to them. BUT they passed on Lamelo Ball and Franz Wagner in back to back drafts.

And by the way Golden State had the most egregious tank job in the last decade when they tanked for the opportunity to blow it on Wiseman.

The Warriors have survived by having no regard for the salary cap. They are living off draft picks made nearly 10 years ago, granted those picks were epic, but everything since has been kind of meh... Klay's contract looks like the least productive contract in NBA history, and they gave it to him after he was seriously injured. That's how little they care about building a team the right way.

[pepe1991]

Bit clarity.

2019-20 and 2020-21 both were shorter seasons.

Cavs 19 wins in 2019-20 is comparble to 23 wins in normal season.
Cavs 21 wins season is 24-25 wins in normal season.

Their "tanking" is no different than majority of Magic seasons 2012- present day nor they won any lottery in that 3 years.


Warriors were most blantant tanker for ...James WIseman who is now their resident bench bum. Year after they drafted Moody and Kuminga in lottery. Both out of rotation already.


Suns were just awful team until they added Chris Paul.
Cavs changed roster with trades and they traded for 2 allstars , Allen and Donovan Mitchell. Drafted Okoro, Garland and Mobley.

You won't make 10 men rotation out of your lottery picks, sooner you start building actual team instand of tanking, better.

[Knightro]

Suns were just awful team until they added Chris Paul.
Cavs changed roster with trades and they traded for 2 allstars , Allen and Donovan Mitchell. Drafted Okoro, Garland and Mobley.

You won't make 10 men rotation out of your lottery picks, sooner you start building actual team instand of tanking, better.

I don't really think anyone is arguing for anything different than what you're saying here for what it's worth.

You find 2 or 3, maybe 4 legitimate building blocks in the draft and then you supplement those players with trades and with free agent signings.

The Suns drafted Booker, Ayton, Bridges and Johnson and supplemented them with a big trade for Paul and signing Crowder. They went from 34 wins to 51 wins to 64 wins.

The Cavs drafted Garland, Mobley and Okoro and supplemented them with trades for Mitchell and Allen and LeVert (and trading for Rubio which led to LeVert and signing Markkanen which led to Mitchell). They went from 22 wins to 44 and this year they look primed to jump to 60.

The Hawks drafted Young, Hunter and Collins and supplemented them with trades for Murray and Capela and signing Bogdanović. They went from 20 wins to 43 wins and may win more than that this year.

The Magic have drafted Banchero and Wagner (ideally Suggs and their 2023 lotto pick will fit into this group too) and now this upcoming offseason is where they need to go out and make the trades and free agent signings to supplement their 3-4 quality young pieces.

Consolidate all the non-essential pieces - basically anyone who isn't Banchero and Wagner - in trades for better veterans and also sign capable veterans with your cap space.

That's basically the formula they need to follow. Tankball ends after this season.

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[KillMonger]

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dope....however if i'm a coach i wonder if a would want my center doing that on the perimeter in the nba