(LOCK THREAD) The LeBron James - 22-23 NBA Season Thread -NBA's All-Time Scoring Leader!

[toodles23]

Think it's obvious Lebron has lost a lot this season. Out of all three Lebron has been by far our worst player. Dude is struggling.

He's looked straight washed for most of the season. It won't keep looking this terrible if his jumper normalizes but he can't finish to save his life or really create much of anything in the halfcourt. That play where he twisted his ankle trying to jump in a completely normal situation (didn't step on anybody's foot or anything) is a total old man injury.

Also that last airballed three, like wtf is going on with his form? It looks straight up broken

[nzahir]

Why does his shot look different?

Wtf did he do to it?

Multiple thoughts:

AD looked slow, wasn't protecting much at the rim

We are a bit too small/short. I would give Jones some run again

Is Nunn hurt/benched for being bad?

Say we kept Russ, what other deals are realistic?

[Tracymcgoaty]

Think it's obvious Lebron has lost a lot this season. Out of all three Lebron has been by far our worst player. Dude is struggling.

Are you saying he's playing worse than Russ this season?

C'mon man, at least be realistic. He's playing worse than Davis and he's been bad to start the season agreed but no point in hyperbole, doesn't do you any favours.

Without hesitation he's played worse than Russ. Russ has been good to great for the most part. He's been absolute stellar for 3 games now i think. Our offense looked way better with Lebron on the bench and WB out there with AD.

Realistic is seeing how much of a negative Lebron has been on offense this season. He's been straight up garbage this season. The offense stagnates as soon as he holds the ball and for the majority of the time when he hogs the ball nothing materializes. Russ has been far better at creating for others. He's actually hustling on defense as well.

[coastalmarker99]

The irony of Father time finally catching up to Lebron when he just released a ad of himself beating Father Time is funny.

[Tracymcgoaty]

Why does his shot look different?

Wtf did he do to it?

Multiple thoughts:

AD looked slow, wasn't protecting much at the rim

We are a bit too small/short. I would give Jones some run again

Is Nunn hurt/benched for being bad?

Say we kept Russ, what other deals are realistic?

Which team would want Lebron?

[Tracymcgoaty]

Think it's obvious Lebron has lost a lot this season. Out of all three Lebron has been by far our worst player. Dude is struggling.

He's looked straight washed for most of the season. It won't keep looking this terrible if his jumper normalizes but he can't finish to save his life or really create much of anything in the halfcourt. That play where he twisted his ankle trying to jump in a completely normal situation (didn't step on anybody's foot or anything) is a total old man injury.

Also that last airballed three, like wtf is going on with his form? It looks straight up broken

95% of Lebron looks broken this season lol. I hope it's injury related because if it isn't he's really fallen of drastically.

[Mos_Heat]

Why does his shot look different?

Wtf did he do to it?

Multiple thoughts:

AD looked slow, wasn't protecting much at the rim

We are a bit too small/short. I would give Jones some run again

Is Nunn hurt/benched for being bad?

Say we kept Russ, what other deals are realistic?

If you don't have a top 10 player on the team what's the point of making the trade?

[zimpy27]

Think it's obvious Lebron has lost a lot this season. Out of all three Lebron has been by far our worst player. Dude is struggling.

Are you saying he's playing worse than Russ this season?

C'mon man, at least be realistic. He's playing worse than Davis and he's been bad to start the season agreed but no point in hyperbole, doesn't do you any favours.

Without hesitation he's played worse than Russ. Russ has been good to great for the most part. He's been absolute stellar for 3 games now i think. Our offense looked way better with Lebron on the bench and WB out there with AD.

Realistic is seeing how much of a negative Lebron has been on offense this season. He's been straight up garbage this season. The offense stagnates as soon as he holds the ball and for the majority of the time when he hogs the ball nothing materializes. Russ has been far better at creating for others. He's actually hustling on defense as well.

Russ has been better than he was last year but he's still a problem and no one will trade for him without Lakers giving up an FRP.

But in no way is Russ better than LeBron on the season, I don't think Russ is top 5 on the Lakers. But I appreciate you are a Russ fan.

[nzahir]

Why does his shot look different?

Wtf did he do to it?

Multiple thoughts:

AD looked slow, wasn't protecting much at the rim

We are a bit too small/short. I would give Jones some run again

Is Nunn hurt/benched for being bad?

Say we kept Russ, what other deals are realistic?

If you don't have a top 10 player on the team what's the point of making the trade?

I think AD can get close to their (mostly due to versatility come playoff time and defense), but likely right

You need a great team if no bonafide #1 and Rob didnt do a great job

This is why I brought up Miles Bridges, is it worth it?

Say we also made a Kyrie for Russ deal with 1 1st (if)

Kyrie, Beverly, Bridges, Lebron, AD
Dennis, Reaves, Lonnie, TBJ, Bryant
Nunn, Ryan, Gabriel, Jones

Is this enough? Can still move some others

[Tracymcgoaty]

Are you saying he's playing worse than Russ this season?

C'mon man, at least be realistic. He's playing worse than Davis and he's been bad to start the season agreed but no point in hyperbole, doesn't do you any favours.

Without hesitation he's played worse than Russ. Russ has been good to great for the most part. He's been absolute stellar for 3 games now i think. Our offense looked way better with Lebron on the bench and WB out there with AD.

Realistic is seeing how much of a negative Lebron has been on offense this season. He's been straight up garbage this season. The offense stagnates as soon as he holds the ball and for the majority of the time when he hogs the ball nothing materializes. Russ has been far better at creating for others. He's actually hustling on defense as well.

Russ has been better than he was last year but he's still a problem and no one will trade for him without Lakers giving up an FRP.

But in no way is Russ better than LeBron on the season, I don't think Russ is top 5 on the Lakers. But I appreciate you are a Russ fan.

You dont think Russ is a top 5 player on this team this season?

Curious to hear who you've got ahead of him and why you'd have Lebron so far up given how bad he's looked this season even when he's put up nice numbers it's never looked good. I get that he's getting the benefit of doubt but how is Russ not even a top 5 player so far this season? He's been stellar for the most part in my opinion.

Im not even a Russ fan. I criticized him and wanted him off the team last season.

[zimpy27]

Without hesitation he's played worse than Russ. Russ has been good to great for the most part. He's been absolute stellar for 3 games now i think. Our offense looked way better with Lebron on the bench and WB out there with AD.

Realistic is seeing how much of a negative Lebron has been on offense this season. He's been straight up garbage this season. The offense stagnates as soon as he holds the ball and for the majority of the time when he hogs the ball nothing materializes. Russ has been far better at creating for others. He's actually hustling on defense as well.

Russ has been better than he was last year but he's still a problem and no one will trade for him without Lakers giving up an FRP.

But in no way is Russ better than LeBron on the season, I don't think Russ is top 5 on the Lakers. But I appreciate you are a Russ fan.

You dont think Russ is a top 5 player on this team this season?

Curious to hear who you've got ahead of him and why you'd have Lebron so far up given how bad he's looked this season even when he's put up nice numbers it's never looked good. I get that he's getting the benefit of doubt but how is Russ not even a top 5 player so far this season? He's been stellar for the most part in my opinion.

Im not even a Russ fan. I criticized him and wanted him off the team last season.

Russ has a TS% 45.7% and a PER of 11.7 with a USG% of 25%

How I'd rank the 7 Lakers that have played over 100 minutes:
Davis
LeBron
Lonnie
Reaves
Brown
Beverley
Westbrook

[Tracymcgoaty]

Well **** apparently Lebron has a stomach virus. Along with a bad foot injury it looks like it'd be a major hindrance on the court lol.

To be honest im relived kind off. Give me hope that he's just battling illness along with a bad foot.

[Slava]

Other than Davis' health issues, which are a constant worry, it feels like we are getting all the bad luck variance over the course of a season out at once.

[eminence]

Russ has played decently since moving to the bench, nice to see a bit of gas left in the tank. If he can keep it up and LeBron/Beverley/AD can stop shooting like crap they could be alright as is - not contenders, but a decent team.

[ty 4191]

Now can we say that if Lebron played in that era his points would be much higher? As in we should adjust Lebron's point up if he played back then. I can see that. But would his points be higher enough to offset four more statistical prime years of Kareem who enters the NBA at 18? I'm leaning towards no. And that's without considering the increased physicality, lack of modern benefits etc. that Lebron would experience in the 70's and 80's. Kareem's longevity was a bigger outlier in his era than Lebron's longevity is in this era.

Great points.

That last sentence is actually an understatement.

Minutes played, after age 34, during Kareem's career:

-Only 4 players played 10,000 minutes. Only 12 played 5,000 minutes.

During Lebron's career, after age 34:

-12 players played 10,000 minutes. 44 played over 5,000 minutes.

LeBron spends 1.5 million dollars just on his body every year. What if Kareem and Wilt had been able to do that?

https://www.essentiallysports.com/nba-basketball-news-inside-lebron-james-self-love-routine-that-takes-1-5-million-from-his-net-worth/

[ty 4191]

If Lebron went to college for 4 years he would probably break the record regardless.

What statistical evidence are you basing this on?

[ty 4191]

I find it interesting that ty 4191 does not bring up the amount of expansion teams Kareem got to feast against in his prime.

I've brought it up many, many times here, Mark.

Nobody listens.

[ty 4191]

Lebron is playing from age 18-38 while Kareem was playing from age 22-42. Ages 18-21 are generally much more statistically productive than ages 39-42.

But then there are many factors that helped Lebron like coming into the league at age 18

There are factors, this not being one of them. A list of players with total points in their first 4 seasons and in year 16 to 19. There is no advantage, there is just Kareem, LeBron and Karl...and then the rest.

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Name   Debut  1-4    16-19  Total
Kareem   22   10071  6112   16183
Lebron   18   8439   6024   14463
Karl     22   7576   5887   13463
Shaq     20   8019   3142   11161
Dirk     20   5383   5209   10592
Tim      21   6351   3938   10289
Melo     19   7286   2872   10158
Vince    22   6574   2332   8906
Kobe     18   4240   4614   8854
Pierce   21   6433   2376   8809
Moses    19   4398   3726   8124
KG       19   4639   3359   7998


This just bolsters Kareem's case as a greater scorer. Kareem scored the most points in NBA history in any player's first 4 years- ages 22 to 25- and he totally dominated the RS and playoffs as a rookie.

Give him 4 extra years in his physical prime and he puts this record way out of sight. Total points scored.

[AmIWrongDude]

Ya’ll gotta chill. It’s been 8 games and he clearly hasn’t been full strength the past 2.

Somehow to people Westbrook went from the worst player in the league to better than LeBron in the span of 3 games.

The NBA in general has the most dramatic fanbase lol its hard to keep up sometimes.

[thebigbird]

Ya’ll gotta chill. It’s been 8 games and he clearly hasn’t been full strength the past 2.

Somehow to people Westbrook went from the worst player in the league to better than LeBron in the span of 3 games.

The NBA in general has the most dramatic fanbase lol its hard to keep up sometimes.

It’s a lot of this.

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